Should Muslims be banned from buying alcohol?

[The Merchant Republics]

The problem so these horrible, horrible people say, is not that the rapist boys were drunk, it was that the German women were, so a Muslim-only drinking ban would be ineffectual at best.

Nonetheless, no. Never. Stop. Full stop. Someone slow down the train I want to get off, why is anyone treating this like something that isn't the ravings of a lunatics. If those particular refugees are uncomfortable with Germany's drinking culture, how about they pack their bags and go home. They have no right to force the people there to change their laws to accommodate them.

Of course, gratefully that is not an opinion shared by all Muslims, so we can just ignore these particular rape-apologists, and move on.

[Ereria]

Im a muslim (well, I say that I am, but im not a good one) and I love beer. Yes, we aren't allowed to, but I like it and i'll drink it dammit.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

We should just ban these dark age savages and send them back to the country that allows them get drunk then beat and rape women all they like.

No.

[Cruithneach]

We should just ban these dark age savages and send them back to the country that allows them get drunk then beat and rape women all they like.

I just came off a transgender thread where someone went off on one at a guy asking why transgender people got special treatment - then got reported. Somehow, this gets a free pass?

You're equating all Muslims with, I dunno, Saudi Arabia. Christians can be pretty savage, too. Radical Christians share a lot of beliefs that radical Muslims share. I recommend you find the nearest mosque, go in and find the imam, and ask him some questions about the faith. That's what I did.

[The Merchant Republics]

We should just ban these dark age savages and send them back to the country that allows them get drunk then beat and rape women all they like.

No.

Well, in my opinion I would call the kinds of people that would form gangs and brutally attack women during a New Years Eve festivity "savages".

I just wouldn't say that all Muslims are made "savage" because of their actions. Those particular Muslims those that perpetrated the attacks, are to blame, they should be deported. There shouldn't be people making excuses for them and saying women should give them space, they are brutes that don't deserve the kindness they've been shown.

But most Muslims, certainly all that I've met in my home and in my travels, are nothing like these men. No one should be apologizing for them, or defending them because they are not white Germans. They don't get special privileges. They aren't evil because they are Muslims. They are however most certainly evil, and so they should not be tolerated or worked around. Let the people that integrate happily and legally stay no matter their race or religion, deport the bad eggs, it's that simple.

[Cruithneach]

No.

Well, in my opinion I would call the kinds of people that would form gangs and brutally attack women during a New Years Eve festivity "savages".

I just wouldn't say that all Muslims are made "savage" because of their actions. Those particular Muslims those that perpetrated the attacks, are to blame, they should be deported. There shouldn't be people making excuses for them and saying women should give them space, they are brutes that don't deserve the kindness they've been shown.

But most Muslims, certainly all that I've met in my home and in my travels, are nothing like these men. No one should be apologizing for them, or defending them because they are not white Germans. They don't get special privileges.

I've heard that that sort of thing has been happening for a while, and it's only now that there are refugees are there that it's getting reported in the mainstream.

[The Merchant Republics]

Well, in my opinion I would call the kinds of people that would form gangs and brutally attack women during a New Years Eve festivity "savages".

I just wouldn't say that all Muslims are made "savage" because of their actions. Those particular Muslims those that perpetrated the attacks, are to blame, they should be deported. There shouldn't be people making excuses for them and saying women should give them space, they are brutes that don't deserve the kindness they've been shown.

But most Muslims, certainly all that I've met in my home and in my travels, are nothing like these men. No one should be apologizing for them, or defending them because they are not white Germans. They don't get special privileges.

I've heard that that sort of thing has been happening for a while, and it's only now that there are refugees are there that it's getting reported in the mainstream.

Ah, well that does add a new dimension for certain. Do you happen to have any substantiation for it though? I'm not above believing it's the media sensationalizing refugees... But, well large groups of men harassing and assaulting women previously seems like it still would have been newsworthy on it's own previously, even allowing for media agendas.

[Keynsinia]

We should just ban these dark age savages and send them back to the country that allows them get drunk then beat and rape women all they like.

I just came off a transgender thread where someone went off on one at a guy asking why transgender people got special treatment - then got reported. Somehow, this gets a free pass?

You're equating all Muslims with, I dunno, Saudi Arabia. Christians can be pretty savage, too. Radical Christians share a lot of beliefs that radical Muslims share. I recommend you find the nearest mosque, go in and find the imam, and ask him some questions about the faith. That's what I did.

Never said all Muslims, I made a comment directly addressing the people who blame alcohol and how women dress for why the mass rapes happen. If anyone other than brown islamists were saying that, there would be untold feminist outrage, but instead, it gets a free pass, saying that we need to "respect their culture." No, screw that. The culture of Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afganistan, Turkey, etc, are all backwards and fucked up, and if any immigrants from there can't leave it behind, they don't belong in western democracies.

Also, don't even try to equate radical christians to radical muslims. No christian today honor kills or straps bombs to themselves, and acts of violence from christians don't even come up on a statistical scale. Christanity hasn't endorsed a culture like that for 500 years. If you think that's all just a right wing rant, Bill Maher, and Athiest socialist, agrees with me, as does Richard Dawkins, also very liberal.

[Cruithneach]

I've heard that that sort of thing has been happening for a while, and it's only now that there are refugees are there that it's getting reported in the mainstream.

Ah, well that does add a new dimension for certain. Do you happen to have any substantiation for it though? I'm not above believing it's the media sensationalizing refugees... But, well large groups of men harassing and assaulting women previously seems like it still would have been newsworthy on it's own previously, even allowing for media agendas.

The answer can be discovered in the reaction to the Cologne attacks. Sweden prides itself on its sexual equality and has even pioneered a feminist foreign policy. When hundreds of women were reported to have been molested and abused in Cologne — at the hands of an organised mob — the reaction from Swedish politicians and pundits ought to have been one of outrage.

"Instead, we were told that the events in Cologne were not unusual. An article in Aftonbladet, Sweden’s largest tabloid, argued that it was racist to point out that the perpetrators in Cologne had been described as North African or Arab, since German men had carried out sexual assaults during Bavaria’s Oktober-fest. Another Aftonbladet article said that reporting on the Cologne attacks was bowing to right-wing extremism. Over the last week, we have been told over and over that the real issue is men, not any particular culture — that Swedish men are no better.

Then last week Sweden’s own stories began to emerge. During the We Are Sthlm music festival, large groups of young men harassed girls sexually. It began in 2014 and it also went on during last year’s festival. According to internal police reports the groups were ‘so-called refugee youths primarily from Afghanistan’. The youngest of the victims was 12 years old. “

Ivar Arpi, Swedish political commentator


http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/sex ... -1.1151859

This article, if you can read it, blames Brits and Aussies.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/its- ... -shameful/
Spectator says that, at the bottom, it's not really got anything to do with culture.

[Jochistan]

I just came off a transgender thread where someone went off on one at a guy asking why transgender people got special treatment - then got reported. Somehow, this gets a free pass?

You're equating all Muslims with, I dunno, Saudi Arabia. Christians can be pretty savage, too. Radical Christians share a lot of beliefs that radical Muslims share. I recommend you find the nearest mosque, go in and find the imam, and ask him some questions about the faith. That's what I did.

Never said all Muslims, I made a comment directly addressing the people who blame alcohol and how women dress for why the mass rapes happen. If anyone other than brown islamists were saying that, there would be untold feminist outrage, but instead, it gets a free pass, saying that we need to "respect their culture." No, screw that. The culture of Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afganistan, Turkey, etc, are all backwards and fucked up, and if any immigrants from there can't leave it behind, they don't belong in western democracies.

Also, don't even try to equate radical christians to radical muslims. No christian today honor kills or straps bombs to themselves, and acts of violence from christians don't even come up on a statistical scale. Christanity hasn't endorsed a culture like that for 500 years. If you think that's all just a right wing rant, Bill Maher, and Athiest socialist, agrees with me, as does Richard Dawkins, also very liberal.

There was Serbia. And Clerical fascists in Europe. Also Sunsaharan Africa has a few. And the culture of Turkey is as fucked up as the others? Lol, Erdogans corrupt as fuck, but the country's culture endorses and regularly practices like none of that, lol.

[Jochistan]

It wouldn't effect me or really change anything if it were banned. It would just be needlessly expensive.

[Cruithneach]

I just came off a transgender thread where someone went off on one at a guy asking why transgender people got special treatment - then got reported. Somehow, this gets a free pass?

You're equating all Muslims with, I dunno, Saudi Arabia. Christians can be pretty savage, too. Radical Christians share a lot of beliefs that radical Muslims share. I recommend you find the nearest mosque, go in and find the imam, and ask him some questions about the faith. That's what I did.

Never said all Muslims, I made a comment directly addressing the people who blame alcohol and how women dress for why the mass rapes happen. If anyone other than brown islamists were saying that, there would be untold feminist outrage, but instead, it gets a free pass, saying that we need to "respect their culture." No, screw that. The culture of Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afganistan, Turkey, etc, are all backwards and fucked up, and if any immigrants from there can't leave it behind, they don't belong in western democracies.

Also, don't even try to equate radical christians to radical muslims. No christian today honor kills or straps bombs to themselves, and acts of violence from christians don't even come up on a statistical scale. Christanity hasn't endorsed a culture like that for 500 years. If you think that's all just a right wing rant, Bill Maher, and Athiest socialist, agrees with me, as does Richard Dawkins, also very liberal.

Neither does Islam.

Fighting has been ordained for you [O you who believe!], and it is an object of dislike to you.

Have you not considered [O Muhammad!] how the chiefs of the Children of Israel who came after Moses said to a Prophet of theirs: “Set up for us a king and we will fight in the way of Allah”? He said: “May it be that you would not fight if fighting was ordained for you?” They said: “And why would we not fight in the way of Allah having been driven out of our homes, and for the sake of our children?” But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned away except a few of them, and Allah knows the wrongdoers

[Keynsinia]

Never said all Muslims, I made a comment directly addressing the people who blame alcohol and how women dress for why the mass rapes happen. If anyone other than brown islamists were saying that, there would be untold feminist outrage, but instead, it gets a free pass, saying that we need to "respect their culture." No, screw that. The culture of Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afganistan, Turkey, etc, are all backwards and fucked up, and if any immigrants from there can't leave it behind, they don't belong in western democracies.

Also, don't even try to equate radical christians to radical muslims. No christian today honor kills or straps bombs to themselves, and acts of violence from christians don't even come up on a statistical scale. Christanity hasn't endorsed a culture like that for 500 years. If you think that's all just a right wing rant, Bill Maher, and Athiest socialist, agrees with me, as does Richard Dawkins, also very liberal.

There was Serbia. And Clerical fascists in Europe. Also Sunsaharan Africa has a few. And the culture of Turkey is as fucked up as the others? Lol, Erdogans corrupt as fuck, but the country's culture endorses and regularly practices like none of that, lol.

Take a look into the polls, particularly by pew research. Support for things like honor killing, terrorism, sharia law, retaliation for drawing muhammad, and the suppression of women are all up in statistically significant numbers ranging from 1/10 to 1/3 and higher. If those type of numbers existed in western democracies, we'd say there is something wrong with western culture.

Terrorism


ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

Channel Four (2006): 31% of younger British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified compared to 14% of those over 45.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images ... n%2007.pdf

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a-ye ... r-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/ ... fanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 51,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/art ... baar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/musli ... df#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/musli ... df#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... amist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/poll- ... on-israely

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/mus ... st-groups/

BBC Radio (2015): 45% of British Muslims agree that clerics preaching violence against the West represent "mainstream Islam".
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio ... slim-poll/

Palestinian Center for Political Research (2015): 74% of Palestinians support Hamas terror attacks.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/support-fo ... oll-shows/

Pew Research (2014): 47% of Bangladeshi Muslims says suicide bombings and violence are justified to "defend Islam". 1 in 4 believed the same in Tanzania and Egypt. 1 in 5 Muslims in the 'moderate' countries of Turkey and Malaysia.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/con ... ddle-east/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 19% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified in order to make Sharia the law in the United States (66% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 25% of Muslim-Americans say that violence against Americans in the United States is justified as part of the "global Jihad (64% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

The Sun (2015: Following Nov. 2015 attacks in Paris, 1 in 4 young Muslims in Britain (and 1 in 5 overall) said they sympathize with those who fight for ISIS.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... -poll.html

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statis ... Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.


al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and Islamic State (ISIS)


Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright.
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/musli ... df#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
http://people-press.org/2011/08/30/musl ... extremism/

al-Jazeera (2006): 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
http://www.partisanlines.com/threads/al ... laden.712/

Pew Research: 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
41% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2007
56% of Jordanians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/15/iran-t ... erman.html

Pew Global: 51% of Palestinians support Osama bin Laden
54% of Muslim Nigerians Support Osama bin Laden
http://pewglobal.org/files/pdf/268.pdf

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/st ... -in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-goo ... in-canada/

World Public Opinion: Muslim majorities agree with the al-Qaeda goal of Islamic law.
Muslim majorities agree with al-Qaeda goal of keeping Western values out of Islamic countries;
(Egypt: 88%; Indonesia 76%; Pakistan 60%; Morocco 64%)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

World Public Opinion: Attitude toward Osama bin Laden:
Egypt: 44% positive, 17% negative, and 25% mixed feelings
Indonesia: 14% positive, 26% negative, 21% mixed feelings (39% did not answer)
Pakistan: 25% positive, 15% negative, 26% mixed feelings (34% did not answer)
Morocco: 27% positive, 21% negative, 26% mixed feelings
Jordanians, Palestinians, Turks and Azerbaijanis. Jordanians combined for: 27% positive, 20 percent negative, and 27 percent mixed feelings. (Palestinians 56% positive, 20% negative, 22 percent mixed feelings).
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 49% of Nigerian Muslims have favorable view of al-Qaeda (34% unfavorable)
23% of Indonesians have favorable view of al-Qaeda (56% unfavorable)
34% of Jordanians have favorable view of al-Qaeda
25% of Indonesians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden (59% had confidence in 2003)
1 in 5 Egyptians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2011): 22% of Indonesians have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (21% unfavorable)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... extremism/

Gallup: 51% of Pakistanis grieve Osama bin Laden (only 11% happy over death)
44% of Pakistanis viewed Osama bin Laden as a martyr (only 28% as an oulaw)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... _alli.html

Zogby International 2011: “Majorities in all six countries said they viewed the United States less favorably following the killing of the Al-Qaeda head [Osama bin Laden] in Pakistan”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/che ... _blog.html

Populus Survey: 18% of British Muslims would be proud or indifferent if a family member joined al-Qaeda.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Policy Exchange (2006): 7% Muslims in Britain admire al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Informal poll of Saudis in August 2014 shows 92% agree that Islamic State (ISIS) "conforms to the values of Islam and Islamic law."
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2 ... aw-survey/

Hurriyet Daily News / Metropoll (2015): 20% of Turks support the slaughter of Charlie Hebdo staffers and cartoonists.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/metropoll-42-t ... ck-1486355

al-Jazeera Poll (2015): 81% of respondents support the Islamic State (ISIS).
http://www.breitbart.com/national-secur ... port-isis/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 33% of Muslim-Americans say al-Qaeda beliefs are Islamic or correct. (49% disagree),
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 38% of Muslim-Americans say Islamic State (ISIS) beliefs are Islamic or correct. (43% disagree),
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

ICM (Mirror) Poll 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mu ... ed-6018357

Clarion Project Study (2015): 11.5% of Arabs support ISIS, or about 42 million.
http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/ ... arab-world

Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (2015): Two-thirds of Palestinians support the stabbing of Israeli civilians.
http://www.france24.com/en/20151214-two ... tacks-poll

Social Trends Survey (2016): 21% of Turks says ISIS 'represents Islam"; 10% would not categorize it as a terrorist organization.
http://www.trust.org/item/20160112154230-7c2sb/


9/11 Attacks

al-Arabiya: 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/ ... 66274.html

Gallup: 38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2008/0 ... slims.html
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/temp ... p?CID=1154

Pew Research (2011): Large majorities of Muslims believe in 9/11 conspiracy
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2066/muslim ... ptember-11


Violence in Defense of Islam


Jakarta Post (2006): 40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/40-of ... -for-islam

Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865 (Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)

Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam (Wikileaks cable)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... a-law.html

Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

NOP Research: Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population;
Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for religious or political ends acceptable.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Terrorism Research Institute Study: 51% of mosques in the U.S. have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% have no violent texts at all.
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/ind ... urvey/html

Pew Research (2013): 76% of South Asian Muslims and 56% of Egyptians advocate killing anyone who leaves the Islamic religion.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 19% of Muslim Americans believe suicide bombings in defense of Islam are at least partially justified (global average is 28% in countries surveyed).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 39% of Muslims in Malaysia say suicide bombings "justified" in defense of Islam (only 58% say 'never').
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/side ... joshua-woo

Die Presse (2013): 1 in 5 Muslims in Austria believe that anyone wanting to leave Islam should be killed.
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2 ... democracy/

Motivaction Survey (2014): 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers. Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2 ... -research/

BBC (2015): Following the Charlie Hebdo attacks, 27% of British Muslims openly support violence against cartoonists. Another 8% would not say, meaning that only 2 of 3 surveyed would say that the killings were not justified.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31293196

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 24% of Muslim-Americans say that violence is justified against those who "offend Islam" (60% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 29% of Muslim-Americans agree that violence against those who insult Muhammad or the Quran is acceptable (61% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

Pew Research (2015): 40% of Palestinians, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% of Muslims in Bangladesh agree that violence against civilians in defense of Islam is sometimes justified.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... the-world/

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America says suicide bombings and other violence against civilians in defense of Islam is sometimes or often justified. 81% say it is never justified.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ety-app-a/


Sharia


83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers
78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/paki ... te-deaths/

Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... a-law.html

ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... in-UK.html

GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/st ... -in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-goo ... in-canada/

World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.”
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/ ... 09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
36% of Indonesian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation
65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims ... hezbollah/

Pew Research (2013): 72% of Indonesians want Sharia to be law of the land
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/sev ... pew-forum/

Pew Research (2013): 81% of South Asian Muslims and 57% of Egyptians suport amputating limbs for theft.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): According to an interpretation of this study, approximately 45% of Sharia supporters surveyed disagreed with the idea that Islamic law should apply only to Muslims.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Economist (Pew 2013): 74% who favor Islamic law in Egypt say it should apply to non-Muslims as well.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicd ... iadolikeit

WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/ ... amentalism

FPO (2014): 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam ... en-muslim/

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 33% of Muslim-Americans say that Sharia should be supreme to the US Constitution (43% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

The Polling Company CSP Poll (2015): 51% of Muslim-Americans say that Muslims should have the choice of being judged by Sharia courts rather than courts of the United States (39% disagree).
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/ ... l-Data.pdf

2015 (Jyllands Posten): 77% of Muslims in Denmark believe the Quran's instructions should be 'fully appied'.
http://www.thelocal.dk/20151013/danish- ... years-past

2015 (Jyllands Postn): Only 53% of Danish Muslims believe Danish law should be based on the consitution and not the Quran.
http://www.thelocal.dk/20151019/forty-p ... based-laws


Honor Killings


Turkish Ministry of Education: 1 in 4 Turks Support Honor Killings
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/03/turkey-war-on-women/

Civitas: 1 in 3 Muslims in the UK strongly agree that a wife should be forced to obey her husband's bidding
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

BBC Poll: 1 in 10 British Muslims support killing a family member over "dishonor".
http://www.expressandstar.com/blogs/pet ... ur-nation/

Middle East Quarterly: 91 percent of honor killings are committed by Muslims worldwide.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/43207

95% of honor killings in the West are perpetrated by Muslim fathers and brothers or their proxies.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... tful-name/

A survey of Muslim women in Paris suburbs found that three-quarters of them wear their masks out of fear - including fear of violence.
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/12/muslim-women-win

1 in 5 young British Muslims agree that 'honor' violence is acceptable.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... veals.html

Pew Research (2013): Large majorities of Muslims favor Sharia. Among those who do, stoning women for adultery is favored by 89% in Pakistanis, 85% in Afghanistan, 81% in Egypt, 67% in Jordan, ~50% in 'moderate' Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand, 58% in Iraq, 44% in Tunisia, 29% in Turkey, and 26% in Russia.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): Honor killing the woman for sex outside of marriage is favored over honor killing the man in almost every Islamic country. Over half of Muslims surveyed believed that honor killings over sex were at least partially justified.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

(2013) Jordanian teens support honor killing.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/world/mea ... mes-study/


Assimilation


Muslims have highest claimed disability rates in the UK (24% of men, 21% of women)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... a-law.html

Pakistani Muslims in the UK are four times more likely to be unemployed than Hindus. Indian Muslims are twice as likely to be unemployed as Indian Hindus.
http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=ht ... 2012-12-05

Policy Exchange: 1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVE ... wnload.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

Policy Exchange: 51% of British Muslims believe a woman cannot marry a non-Muslim
Only 51% believe a Muslim woman may marry without a guardian's consent
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

Policy Exchange: Up to 52% of British Muslims believe a Muslim man is entitled to up to four wives
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

Policy Exchange: 61% of British Muslims want homosexuality punished
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLaw ... ForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech;
Only 3% adopt a "consistently pro-freedom of speech line"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/ ... 2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

ICM Poll: 58% of British Muslims believe insulting Islam should result in criminal prosecution
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Pew Global (2006): Only 7% of British Muslims think of themselves as British first (81% say 'Muslim' rather than 'Briton')
http://pewglobal.org/reports/pdf/254.pdf

Policy Exchange (2006): 31% Muslims in Britain identify more with Muslims in other countries than with non-Muslim Brits.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images ... n%2007.pdf

Die Welt (2012): 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/ ... rheit.html

Ipsos MORI: Muslims are 3 times as likely as Christians to believe that their religion is the only way.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/r ... /28257.htm

Pew Research (2011): Muslim-Americans four times more likely to say that women should not work outside the home.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... al-values/

Pew Research (2007): 26% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (43% support assimilation)
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/musli ... df#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 20% of Muslim-Americans want to be distinct (56% support assimilation)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 49% of Muslim-Americans say they are "Muslim first" (26% American first)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 21% of Muslim-Americans say there is a fair to great amount of support for Islamic extremism in their community.
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/30/ ... gn-policy/

ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for political ends acceptable
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07 ... h-islamist

Wenzel Strategies (2012): 58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land.
http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/1 ... xpression/
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012/10 ... lieve.html

Pew Research (2013): "At least half' of Muslims surveyed believed polygamy is morally acceptable.
"Muslims in most countries surveyed say that a wife should always obey her husband." (including 93% in Indonesia and 65% in Turkey).
Only 32% of Muslims in Indonesia say a woman should have the right to divorce her husband (22% in Egypt, 26% in Pakistan and 60% in Russia).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/T ... report.pdf

Die Presse (2013): 1 in 3 Muslims in Austria say it is not possible to be a European and a Muslim. 22% oppose democracy
http://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2 ... democracy/

WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 45% of Muslims in Europe say Jews cannot be trusted.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/ ... amentalism

Vancouver Sun (2015): 42% of Canadian Muslims agree that Islam is "irreconcilable" with the West.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193969

Anti-Defamation League (2015): 55% of Muslims in Europe are anti-Semitic - approximately three times higher than Europeans in general.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/06/30/ad ... -beliefs/#

Middle East Forum (2015): Muslims comprise less than 1% of the population in the United States but 9% of prison inmates.
http://www.meforum.org/blog/2015/08/islam-prison

Middle East Forum (2015): Muslims in France comprise 12% of the population, but 70% of prisoners.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02560.html

Middle East Forum (2015): Muslims in the Netherlands comprise 4% of the population but 20% of prisoners. Muslims in France comprise 10% of the population, but 70% of prisoners.
http://www.meforum.org/blog/2015/08/islam-prison

2015 (BBC): 14.4% of UK prisoners in 2011 are Muslim (Muslims comprise about 3% of the total population)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31794599

2016 (Sun News): Muslims comprise 5% of population in Britain but 20% of High Security inmates
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... uslim.html

[Cruithneach]

The far right has killed more Americans since 9/11 than Jihadis. Of course, that means shit for dick if, like me, you're European, but it's interesting to know.

[Keynsinia]

The far right has killed more Americans since 9/11 than Jihadis. Of course, that means shit for dick if, like me, you're European, but it's interesting to know.

You're really comparing military casualties on the battlefield to premeditated extremist murder?

[Kvatchdom]

The far right has killed more Americans since 9/11 than Jihadis. Of course, that means shit for dick if, like me, you're European, but it's interesting to know.

You're really comparing military casualties on the battlefield to premeditated extremist murder?

No. The far-right has killed more people than Jihadists in terror strikes against western civilians.

[Keynsinia]

You're really comparing military casualties on the battlefield to premeditated extremist murder?

No. The far-right has killed more people than Jihadists in terror strikes against western civilians.

How? Drone strikes? Is that not considered collateral damage, and not intentional slaughter?

[Kvatchdom]

No. The far-right has killed more people than Jihadists in terror strikes against western civilians.

How? Drone strikes? Is that not considered collateral damage, and not intentional slaughter?

Terrorist attacks. That's the subject. Not war casualties. The far-right doesn't use drones.

[Cruithneach]

The far right has killed more Americans since 9/11 than Jihadis. Of course, that means shit for dick if, like me, you're European, but it's interesting to know.

You're really comparing military casualties on the battlefield to premeditated extremist murder?

In America, It's the Right Wing Extremists who are the premeditating murderers!
The whole racket's flopped. The Koran forbids murder. It forbids forcing your religion on others. It forbids promiscuity. It demands that when the enemy sues for peace, you sue for peace too. These Jihadis are not following their own fucking book! It's not Islam the religion that is to blame, but those idiot "Muslims" and their dumbass Hadiths

[Keynsinia]

How? Drone strikes? Is that not considered collateral damage, and not intentional slaughter?

Terrorist attacks. That's the subject. Not war casualties.

Ok, what kind of far right terrorism is deliberately targeting its own citizens then?

[Slakonian]

It is considered apostasy by Islam and it simply isn't done unless they want to be marked for assassination.

A number still do so though, it isn't unheard of for Muslims to leave the religion and live.

it may happen to other nations but where sharia is established; most of them the result will be death or imprisoment(for example in Iran if you are sunni it's imprisoment but if you are shia, apostasy results death.) but most of them consider apostasy worst than high treason....

[Kvatchdom]

Terrorist attacks. That's the subject. Not war casualties.

Ok, what kind of far right terrorism is deliberately targeting its own citizens then?

Breivik, the firebombings, mosque bombs, etc. The amount of far-right terrorism in the west exceeds that of Jihadists, and neither should be ignored or allowed to happen. Domestic terrorists are not only terrorists, but traitors too.

[Cruithneach]

A number still do so though, it isn't unheard of for Muslims to leave the religion and live.

it may happen to other nations but where sharia is established; most of them the result will be death or imprisoment(for example in Iran if you are sunni it's imprisoment but if you are shia, apostasy results death.) but most of them consider apostasy worst than high treason....

In Oman, which I think is the only Ibadi state, Apostasy is completely legal and freedom of religion is held sacrosanct as long as it doesn't disrupt public order.

[Keynsinia]

You're really comparing military casualties on the battlefield to premeditated extremist murder?

In America, It's the Right Wing Extremists who are the premeditating murderers!
The whole racket's flopped. The Koran forbids murder. It forbids forcing your religion on others. It forbids promiscuity. It demands that when the enemy sues for peace, you sue for peace too. These Jihadis are not following their own fucking book! It's not Islam the religion that is to blame, but those idiot "Muslims" and their dumbass Hadiths

You can interpret islam to be a peaceful religion, but you have to isolate the happy parts of the text to do so, then ignore the rest. Same goes with The Bible/Old Testament. That is moderation, that is using religion as a personal guide and not as a cornerstone for society. There are plenty of Muslims who do that, and they are the majority, but we can't pretend that there are not literalists in very high numbers (10-30% in moderate areas, higher in the middle east) that are too often defended because people conflate critique of them with racism or whatever. The very fact that this thread proposes banning alcohol instead of making efforts to expel these radicals and prevent them from coming back should be insulting. It's clearly not the beer, it's them. They are the problem.

[Cruithneach]

In America, It's the Right Wing Extremists who are the premeditating murderers!
The whole racket's flopped. The Koran forbids murder. It forbids forcing your religion on others. It forbids promiscuity. It demands that when the enemy sues for peace, you sue for peace too. These Jihadis are not following their own fucking book! It's not Islam the religion that is to blame, but those idiot "Muslims" and their dumbass Hadiths

You can interpret islam to be a peaceful religion, but you have to isolate the happy parts of the text to do so, then ignore the rest. Same goes with The Bible/Old Testament. That is moderation, that is using religion as a personal guide and not as a cornerstone for society. There are plenty of Muslims who do that, and they are the majority, but we can't pretend that there are not literalists in very high numbers (10-30% in moderate areas, higher in the middle east) that are too often defended because people conflate critique of them with racism or whatever. The very fact that this thread proposes banning alcohol instead of making efforts to expel these radicals and prevent them from coming back should be insulting. It's clearly not the beer, it's them. They are the problem.

Agreed. One hundred percent in agreement. You go to a foreign country, you conform to their culture. Don't force them to accomadate you, you're lucky to be there.
Germany has a beer-drinking culture. Any "Muslim" who dislikes that, tough. Any real Muslim should not be upset by this. When they start forcing it down your throat, then we'll talk.