Should Muslims be banned from buying alcohol?

[NationStates by Max Bary]

Tbh "foreigners rape our women" is a really old cliche and I think it's xenophobic and even racist. They said it about blacks during slavery, Donald Trump said it about Mexicans and now it's Muslim immigrants in Europe.

Yet that's exactly what this "Muslim pressure group" is saying.

Obviously it's an attempt at emotional blackmail to bring shariah to europe. The vast majority of regular muslims are not like this.

[Barrera]

It's my understanding that practicing or observant Muslims don't drink. Banning them from buying alcohol is a bit like banning them from buying pork: it's something they're not likely to do anyway.

That said, the idea is silly. Banning a specific set of people from consuming a product is just ridiculous and completely unenforceable.

[The Nihilistic view]

*Snip*

No. Absolutely not!

Prohibiting someone from doing something based on the religion they follow has never turned out for the best.

Also the daily fail, seriously?

You should try telling that to the religion lol.

[The Nihilistic view]

Anyway these MuslimStern people sound like they need a course of hanging from the ceiling by their balls.

[Barrera]

No. Absolutely not!

Prohibiting someone from doing something based on the religion they follow has never turned out for the best.

Also the daily fail, seriously?

You should try telling that to the religion lol.

Genuinely one of the best comebacks I've ever seen on NSG.

Highlighting my own.

[Genivaria]

Yet that's exactly what this "Muslim pressure group" is saying.

Obviously it's an attempt at emotional blackmail to bring shariah to europe. The vast majority of regular muslims are not like this.

Frankly I don't care what percentage are one way or the other it's still irrelevant.
We don't give select groups of people more or less rights simply because of their religion, period.

[Kasterborous Gallifrey]

It's discrimination, pure and simple. What could be done is to increase education, decreasing self radicalisation.

Just because of some muslims extremists, we shouldn't ostracise them.

A few bag eggs spoil the basket.

[NationStates by Max Bary]

Obviously it's an attempt at emotional blackmail to bring shariah to europe. The vast majority of regular muslims are not like this.

Frankly I don't care what percentage are one way or the other it's still irrelevant.
We don't give select groups of people more or less rights simply because of their religion, period.

I largely agree with this, whether it's one Muslim or millions makes little difference and denouncing members of the Islamic faith as a whole would be throwing away the baby with the bathwater and thus they should be judged on a case by case basis, but some smaller groups are arguably 99.9% extremist, for example if a large group of ISIL members were found in a western country, and technically sympathizing with ISIL is a religious belief (being a political belief also makes little difference) then there is a rational basis for viewing them with some degree of suspicion and with evidence of actual wrongdoing surveillance although the basic human rights (free speech, right to a fair/speedy trial etc.) should remain intact.

[Zoice]

No. Absolutely not!

Prohibiting someone from doing something based on the religion they follow has never turned out for the best.

Also the daily fail, seriously?

You should try telling that to the religion lol.

We try to be better than religion, not give in and be as bad as it.

[MERIZoC]

The group also blamed women for getting attacked by inciting the young men.

Hmmm, perhaps we shouldn't be listening to these people. Just a thought.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

You should try telling that to the religion lol.

We try to be better than religion, not give in and be as bad as it.

Which is impossible since religion isn't someone one can fight.

[Zoice]

We try to be better than religion, not give in and be as bad as it.

Which is impossible since religion isn't someone one can fight.

I meant that we (secularists) should try to recognize and learn from the flaws of religion, rather than using religion's failings as an excuse to be just as bad.

[Hladgos]

Alcohol isn't the largest part of the problem, it's the culture the refugees grew up in.

So no.

[New Rogernomics]

No. If Muslims want to drink they can, but it gives me amusement to see hypocrisy in individuals, and desperation to cover it up with arbitrary bans on alcohol consumption.

[Socialist Tera]

Should Christians be forced to follow these rules then:
1 Corinthians 11:6 - For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head.

Ezekiel 44:20 - They shall not shave their heads or let their locks grow long; they shall surely trim the hair of their heads.

1 Corinthians 11:4 - Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him.
Leviticus 11:12 “Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.”
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

If, not, then why should muslims be banned from buying alcohol?

[Des-Bal]

Well they say the best way to integrate someone into a new culture is for the new culture to change into their old one. They usually say that after they've been kicked by a horse.

[Kuruinullah]

I know for a fact in Pakistan you have to prove you are Non-Muslim to buy alcohol from liquor stores. But then the Non-Muslims sell it to the Muslims who do drink!

[Len Hyet]

Source by Force but only if you're Norse, you Horse.

Germany needs to ban alcohol if it wants to prevent further sexual violence and to help North African migrants integrate into society, a Muslim pressure group has claimed.
Commenting on the Cologne sex-attack controversy, MuslimStern, which has 20,000 followers on Facebook, said its mission was to 'highlight the way the media was using the incidents to promote racism against minorities'.
The group complained that the female victims had brought the unwanted attention to themselves by dressing in a manner that North African men were not accustomed to.

The group claimed: 'You cannot expect to chuck a naked antelope in front of a lion and not expect it to react. It is mind boggling that with so much time spent teaching children about sex at school, they completely forget to pass on this basic biological fact.'
As a consequence of the attacks, they urged the German government to introduce a ban across the country on the consumption of alcohol.
The group also blamed women for getting attacked by inciting the young men.
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Elsewhere in the Middle East, the drinking age is far above the European age of drinking. And it might be for a good reason. While alcohol has always been a thing in Europe and drunk regardless of age, alcohol has been banned in Muslim nations for centuries. Perhaps raising the drinking age or having some sort of duel system will prevent young refugees and migrants from getting drunk and incidents like Cologne can be prevented.

Or it's not the alcohol and the actions of these people falls on them alone. That maybe when they compare women to naked antelope and that it is evidence of a wider disregard of women and women's rights?

But I profess, I do not have the answer here. Though, I would like to think it's just the alcohol.

Oh my god its happening. This is priceless.

[Kuruinullah]

Alcohol isn't the largest part of the problem, it's the culture the refugees grew up in.

So no.

I would disagree, the countries they come from are pratically anarchy and people go around whatever the fuck they want to do. They have become so used to crazy shit that they can't function in a "civilised" society anymore, and they probably wont be able to.

[Togghran]

Christians should be banned, period.

Everyone should be banned, period.

Hey, if we're going to start with one diaspora, why not go all-out?

People should be banned!

[The Alma Mater]

The group also blamed women for getting attacked by inciting the young men.

Hmmm, perhaps we shouldn't be listening to these people. Just a thought.

Why not ? I kinda like the refreshing honesty of people declaring that they themselves are like dangerous animals.
Of course, one could next wonder if we should let dangerous animals walk freely through our cities.

On another note - what were those women actually wearing ? It was bloody freezing at newyears eve...

[Zoice]

Hmmm, perhaps we shouldn't be listening to these people. Just a thought.

Why not ? I kinda like the refreshing honesty of people declaring that they themselves are like dangerous animals.
Of course, one could next wonder if we should let dangerous animals walk freely through our cities.

On another note - what were those women actually wearing ? It was bloody freezing at newyears eve...

It isn't refreshing honesty, it's depressing misogyny that blame is thrown at the victim rather than the assailant. The source of that quote who blamed the women is an idiot.

[Mahdistan]

Well I believe I've misused terms; refugees should be put under these restrictions. A refugee could reach out and get alcohol, but at that point, they should be classified as a migrant and made to integrate. It should be an all or nothing situation; either they follow shariah and be restricted from certain things the government could give, or break away and henceforth be regarded as a migrant, and therefor not be entitled to the benefits which a refugee would be given.

How does a refuge getting alcohol make them less of a refugee. Remember they are running from shariah law. Why should the govenrment be allowed to force people to follow a particular religion. Again why are yo giving them so much power. Tell me should Christians be forced to give up all possessions?

As refugees, they have run from their home, and have been allowed in to a safer country by that country's (or rather, the union the countries are in) admission. It shouldn't be too much to ask to expect the refugees to provide some things for themselves, or else working for the improvement of that state. If they're drinking, however, they are squandering tax-funded donations for personal pleasure; this money should be used for needs only, in order to keep them safe and alive, as the governments have promised. They are fully within their rights to get alcohol (they I would protest any Muslim drinking), but if they do, they need to do it with money they've earned by work, and be prepared to live by the law of that country. And yes, their religion doesn't matter. Refugees of any ilk shouldn't be using their donated money for personal pleasures.

[Nariterrr]

Why not
Because if we do that, there TOTALLY won't be any black market, and history won't repeat itself like it did in 1920..

(Sarcasm)

[Infected Mushroom]

We have freedom of speech and thought. That includes the freedom to believe something without the law coming down on us.

It truly is incredible how much people are willing to give up what makes the Western world succeed when it comes to things they do not like, in Valystria's case religion in general.

You mean benefitting from a past history of colonialism and imperialism?

That's not being touched by the proposal here. What's done is done.