Another school shooting: this time from Canada

[Outer Sparta]

Ugh. Another school shooting. It seems like you'll find them occur on a daily basis, no matter where, but more likely in the US.

Except in Canada, it has been more rare. So much so it does not even have its own article unlike the USA. It is just in that main article on school shootings.

Well this just makes more of a breaking headline than the American ones.

[Greater North American Union]

Well, clearly all those wonderful gun laws are working out amazingly for Canada.

It really pisses me off, that people are dying because of the way we treat young men and the lack of proper mental health care, and instead of trying to help people, we've got fucking sophists and demagogues like Justin Trudeau and Barack Obama going on about banning guns. No, no, instead of focusing on this alarming and VERY NEW trend which didn't fucking happen on any kind of regular basis until the last 30 years or so, let's go after the guns, because it's a bandaid solution which is easy to pass, and provides a permanent source of political capital because every time it's proven not to work, you can just claim that we're not being restrictive enough.

Nevermind that these shootings have increased while restrictions on guns have only gotten tighter. In 1959, you could order an AR-15 in the mail, with no background checks or Form 4473 needed. In 1930, you could order a fully automatic Thompson Submachinegun in the mail, or buy one at a hardware store, with no more paperwork than buying a hammer. These mass shootings didn't start happening until the late '60s at the absolute earliest, when it was harder and more restrictive to buy guns in the US than ever before.

[United Marxist Nations]

Well, clearly all those wonderful gun laws are working out amazingly for Canada.

It really pisses me off, that people are dying because of the way we treat young men and the lack of proper mental health care, and instead of trying to help people, we've got fucking sophists and demagogues like Justin Trudeau and Barack Obama going on about banning guns. No, no, instead of focusing on this alarming and VERY NEW trend which didn't fucking happen on any kind of regular basis until the last 30 years or so, let's go after the guns, because it's a bandaid solution which is easy to pass, and provides a permanent source of political capital because every time it's proven not to work, you can just claim that we're not being restrictive enough.

Nevermind that these shootings have increased while restrictions on guns have only gotten tighter. In 1959, you could order an AR-15 in the mail, with no background checks or Form 4473 needed. In 1930, you could order a fully automatic Thompson Submachinegun in the mail, or buy one at a hardware store, with no more paperwork than buying a hammer. These mass shootings didn't start happening until the late '60s at the absolute earliest, when it was harder and more restrictive to buy guns in the US than ever before.

But taking care of the mentally ill is hard.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Well, clearly all those wonderful gun laws are working out amazingly for Canada.

It really pisses me off, that people are dying because of the way we treat young men and the lack of proper mental health care, and instead of trying to help people, we've got fucking sophists and demagogues like Justin Trudeau and Barack Obama going on about banning guns. No, no, instead of focusing on this alarming and VERY NEW trend which didn't fucking happen on any kind of regular basis until the last 30 years or so, let's go after the guns, because it's a bandaid solution which is easy to pass, and provides a permanent source of political capital because every time it's proven not to work, you can just claim that we're not being restrictive enough.

Nevermind that these shootings have increased while restrictions on guns have only gotten tighter. In 1959, you could order an AR-15 in the mail, with no background checks or Form 4473 needed. In 1930, you could order a fully automatic Thompson Submachinegun in the mail, or buy one at a hardware store, with no more paperwork than buying a hammer. These mass shootings didn't start happening until the late '60s at the absolute earliest, when it was harder and more restrictive to buy guns in the US than ever before.

List of school shootings in a country gun control is tight

... and list of school shootings in a country where someone on the no fly list can get a gun.

The length of the list speaks for itself.

[Outer Sparta]

Well, clearly all those wonderful gun laws are working out amazingly for Canada.

It really pisses me off, that people are dying because of the way we treat young men and the lack of proper mental health care, and instead of trying to help people, we've got fucking sophists and demagogues like Justin Trudeau and Barack Obama going on about banning guns. No, no, instead of focusing on this alarming and VERY NEW trend which didn't fucking happen on any kind of regular basis until the last 30 years or so, let's go after the guns, because it's a bandaid solution which is easy to pass, and provides a permanent source of political capital because every time it's proven not to work, you can just claim that we're not being restrictive enough.

Nevermind that these shootings have increased while restrictions on guns have only gotten tighter. In 1959, you could order an AR-15 in the mail, with no background checks or Form 4473 needed. In 1930, you could order a fully automatic Thompson Submachinegun in the mail, or buy one at a hardware store, with no more paperwork than buying a hammer. These mass shootings didn't start happening until the late '60s at the absolute earliest, when it was harder and more restrictive to buy guns in the US than ever before.

But taking care of the mentally ill is hard.

Better regulations and barring mentally ill people from getting them in the first place helps. Besides, in Canada, you only need a gun to hunt moose, right?

[Notariao]

I feel so bad. God help those poor people.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

But taking care of the mentally ill is hard.

Better regulations and barring mentally ill people from getting them in the first place helps. Besides, in Canada, you only need a gun to hunt moose, right?

Nah, we just slap shoot a moose with a puck so hard that the moose dies.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Mass shootings don't happen every day in the US, not even close.

Sucks it happened though.

[Jochistan]

Well, clearly all those wonderful gun laws are working out amazingly for Canada.

It really pisses me off, that people are dying because of the way we treat young men and the lack of proper mental health care, and instead of trying to help people, we've got fucking sophists and demagogues like Justin Trudeau and Barack Obama going on about banning guns. No, no, instead of focusing on this alarming and VERY NEW trend which didn't fucking happen on any kind of regular basis until the last 30 years or so, let's go after the guns, because it's a bandaid solution which is easy to pass, and provides a permanent source of political capital because every time it's proven not to work, you can just claim that we're not being restrictive enough.

Nevermind that these shootings have increased while restrictions on guns have only gotten tighter. In 1959, you could order an AR-15 in the mail, with no background checks or Form 4473 needed. In 1930, you could order a fully automatic Thompson Submachinegun in the mail, or buy one at a hardware store, with no more paperwork than buying a hammer. These mass shootings didn't start happening until the late '60s at the absolute earliest, when it was harder and more restrictive to buy guns in the US than ever before.

I couldn't agree more.

Guns aren't the problem. People need fucking help and politicians think an object is the problem.

[Outer Sparta]

Better regulations and barring mentally ill people from getting them in the first place helps. Besides, in Canada, you only need a gun to hunt moose, right?

Nah, we just slap shoot a moose with a puck so hard that the moose dies.

So, Canadian self-defense is shooting slapshots?

[United Marxist Nations]

Well, clearly all those wonderful gun laws are working out amazingly for Canada.

It really pisses me off, that people are dying because of the way we treat young men and the lack of proper mental health care, and instead of trying to help people, we've got fucking sophists and demagogues like Justin Trudeau and Barack Obama going on about banning guns. No, no, instead of focusing on this alarming and VERY NEW trend which didn't fucking happen on any kind of regular basis until the last 30 years or so, let's go after the guns, because it's a bandaid solution which is easy to pass, and provides a permanent source of political capital because every time it's proven not to work, you can just claim that we're not being restrictive enough.

Nevermind that these shootings have increased while restrictions on guns have only gotten tighter. In 1959, you could order an AR-15 in the mail, with no background checks or Form 4473 needed. In 1930, you could order a fully automatic Thompson Submachinegun in the mail, or buy one at a hardware store, with no more paperwork than buying a hammer. These mass shootings didn't start happening until the late '60s at the absolute earliest, when it was harder and more restrictive to buy guns in the US than ever before.

List of school shootings in a country gun control is tight

... and list of school shootings in a country where someone on the no fly list can get a gun.

The length of the list speaks for itself.

Account for the fact that the US has some 300 million of the things. Gun control is not enforceable here, just like it isn't enforceable in, say, Russia.

[Samnoreg]

My sympathies and condolences to my northern neighbours. -A concerned Minnesotan

[Washington Resistance Army]

List of school shootings in a country gun control is tight

... and list of school shootings in a country where someone on the no fly list can get a gun.

The length of the list speaks for itself.

Account for the fact that the US has some 300 million of the things. Gun control is not enforceable here, just like it isn't enforceable in, say, Russia.

More than 400 million now actually, currently about 20 million a month are sold right now.

[Fartsniffage]

Mass shootings don't happen every day in the US, not even close.

Sucks it happened though.

I sometimes wonder why occasions where a bunch of people get shot but don't all die aren't considered mass shootings? I mean, the shooting aspect is very much there....

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No, no, instead of focusing on this alarming and VERY NEW trend which didn't fucking happen on any kind of regular basis until the last 30 years or so,

Umm... this is not a new trend. At all.

Nah, we just slap shoot a moose with a puck so hard that the moose dies.

So, Canadian self-defense is shooting slapshots?

That or we take off our gloves and fight each other until one of our sweaters is pulled over our heads.

And then we both get a 5 min time out.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Mass shootings don't happen every day in the US, not even close.

Sucks it happened though.

I sometimes wonder why occasions where a bunch of people get shot but don't all die aren't considered mass shootings? I mean, the shooting aspect is very much there....

I'm not the FBI so I can't do much to help on that front, sadly I can't change the definitions of crime.

[Outer Sparta]

Through 2013 to 2015, the US suffered 142 school shootings. Canada? Only two, excluding this one.

[Fartsniffage]

I sometimes wonder why occasions where a bunch of people get shot but don't all die aren't considered mass shootings? I mean, the shooting aspect is very much there....

I'm not the FBI so I can't do much to help on that front, sadly I can't change the definitions of crime.

You could stop pushing the false statistics?

[Outer Sparta]

Nah, we just slap shoot a moose with a puck so hard that the moose dies.

So, Canadian self-defense is shooting slapshots?

That or we take off our gloves and fight each other until one of our sweaters is pulled over our heads.

And then we both get a 5 min time out.[/quote]
And a formal apology too. Or we get drenched in maple syrup.

[Blakk Metal]

Ban meese.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

List of school shootings in a country gun control is tight

... and list of school shootings in a country where someone on the no fly list can get a gun.

The length of the list speaks for itself.

Account for the fact that the US has some 300 million of the things. Gun control is not enforceable here, just like it isn't enforceable in, say, Russia.

Hey, you guys got a man to the moon and found a vaccine for polio.

If you can do that then you can put in gun control.

[Greater North American Union]

Well, clearly all those wonderful gun laws are working out amazingly for Canada.

It really pisses me off, that people are dying because of the way we treat young men and the lack of proper mental health care, and instead of trying to help people, we've got fucking sophists and demagogues like Justin Trudeau and Barack Obama going on about banning guns. No, no, instead of focusing on this alarming and VERY NEW trend which didn't fucking happen on any kind of regular basis until the last 30 years or so, let's go after the guns, because it's a bandaid solution which is easy to pass, and provides a permanent source of political capital because every time it's proven not to work, you can just claim that we're not being restrictive enough.

Nevermind that these shootings have increased while restrictions on guns have only gotten tighter. In 1959, you could order an AR-15 in the mail, with no background checks or Form 4473 needed. In 1930, you could order a fully automatic Thompson Submachinegun in the mail, or buy one at a hardware store, with no more paperwork than buying a hammer. These mass shootings didn't start happening until the late '60s at the absolute earliest, when it was harder and more restrictive to buy guns in the US than ever before.

List of school shootings in a country gun control is tight

... and list of school shootings in a country where someone on the no fly list can get a gun.

The length of the list speaks for itself.

>comparing Canada to the US, a nation which has multiple times the population, without compensating for said population
>wanting people's rights to be decided by a shadowy executive process controlled by non-elected individuals, for no good reason 90% of the time

The fact that the no fly list exists at all is a disgusting breach of human rights.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm not the FBI so I can't do much to help on that front, sadly I can't change the definitions of crime.

You could stop pushing the false statistics?

I'm not pushing false statistics, an FBI report from 2013 found 160 active shooter incidents from 2000-2013. That's a long fucking way off of daily incidents.

[Camicon]

Well, clearly all those wonderful gun laws are working out amazingly for Canada.

It really pisses me off, that people are dying because of the way we treat young men and the lack of proper mental health care, and instead of trying to help people, we've got fucking sophists and demagogues like Justin Trudeau and Barack Obama going on about banning guns. No, no, instead of focusing on this alarming and VERY NEW trend which didn't fucking happen on any kind of regular basis until the last 30 years or so, let's go after the guns, because it's a bandaid solution which is easy to pass, and provides a permanent source of political capital because every time it's proven not to work, you can just claim that we're not being restrictive enough.

Nevermind that these shootings have increased while restrictions on guns have only gotten tighter. In 1959, you could order an AR-15 in the mail, with no background checks or Form 4473 needed. In 1930, you could order a fully automatic Thompson Submachinegun in the mail, or buy one at a hardware store, with no more paperwork than buying a hammer. These mass shootings didn't start happening until the late '60s at the absolute earliest, when it was harder and more restrictive to buy guns in the US than ever before.

How many school shootings has Canada had since 2010? Four. How many school shootings has the US had since 2010? More than one hundred. California, a state of comparable size and with gun laws slightly more comparable to Canada, has experienced twelve school shootings since 2010. Adjust to per capita rates, and Canada still experiences far less gun violence than the USA does, by an extremely wide margin.

That sound you hear? That's your argument exploding under the crushing weight of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Gun control works. Get the fuck over it.

[Fartsniffage]

You could stop pushing the false statistics?

I'm not pushing false statistics, an FBI report from 2013 found 160 active shooter incidents from 2000-2013. That's a long fucking way off of daily incidents.

I thought we were talking about mass shootings?

Mass shootings don't happen every day in the US, not even close.