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Will there be another reccession in the United States?

Yes
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51%
No
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15%
I don't know
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11%
No, it won't. Suck it commies, USA USA USA USA.
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I like Totalbiscuit.
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Total votes : 87

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Postby Kilobugya » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:31 am

Kelinfort wrote:As opposed to price ceilings the government created? It's obvious the government used the high price of oil to buy foreign goods because their price controls effectively killed domestic production of food and other goods.


Actually most of the price control was setup _after_ the oil price started to fall, in order to try to stop inflation. It didn't work very well, but you're inverting the causes and consequences right there.

Kelinfort wrote:Now that the boom days are gone, they cannot afford to import all their goods. As a result, either the prices will go up or there will be massive shortages.


That's part of the truth, but not related to anything Chávez or Maduro did - Venezuela was already importing nearly all their goods when they arrived. As for the shortages, some of them are due to falling oil prices, but many targeted shortage (for one month no toilet paper, for one month no oil, ...) are organized by the shop owners and import network owners, because they are political enemies of the government, regularly warehouses full of products in "shortage" but not delivered to stores are found.

But anyway that's out of the topic - the initial rermark that Venezuela proves central planning doesn't work is false, since Venezuela doesn't use central planning.
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Postby Olivaero » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:37 am

Kelinfort wrote:
Alyakia wrote:even the capitalist economics admit that capitalism operations on a cycle of growth and recession. the communists say the collapses will get progressively closer together and worse. death is certain.

Central planning has no flaws as evidence by Venezuela.

Perhaps you could highlight the part in alyakias post where central planning was called for?
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:18 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Do you think the areas would stay strong republican?

Of course, they're rural enough that their social values of being pro-gun and often anti-LGBT wouldn't disappear overnight.

If the oil money is badly hit then I don't think they'll continue to vote as strongly for the same party or Texas might even turn blue like Alberta went orange in Canada.
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Postby Khadgar » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:25 am

Geilinor wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Of course, they're rural enough that their social values of being pro-gun and often anti-LGBT wouldn't disappear overnight.

If the oil money is badly hit then I don't think they'll continue to vote as strongly for the same party or Texas might even turn blue like Alberta went orange in Canada.


Related:
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01 ... 0-a-barrel

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Postby Unnamed island state » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:31 am

Khadgar wrote:
Geilinor wrote:If the oil money is badly hit then I don't think they'll continue to vote as strongly for the same party or Texas might even turn blue like Alberta went orange in Canada.


Related:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... 0-a-barrel

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Postby Risottia » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:07 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Khadgar wrote:Is there a massive bubble in any given sector? No? Then it won't be a repeat of 2008 and no one with sense should suggest it is.

But buy gold, just in case.

And guns.

Also, occupy a federal natural preserve and ask for guns to be deductible from taxes. And snax.
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Postby Old-snake » Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:33 pm

Brickistan wrote:In effect, the current boom'n'bust cycle is being driven by a few insanely wealthy individuals. No.. Scratch that... In actuality, it's being driven by a bunch of computers, owned by investment firms and funds who're in turn owned by a few insanely wealthy individuals. They're getting richer, riding ever higher on the booms while offloading the cost of the busts on you and me.

The war economy.... it's run by the Patriots....

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Postby Saiwania » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:12 pm

It is a matter of when and not if the US will get another recession, but it doesn't have to be as bad as 2008's.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:14 pm

Of course there will be another recession. That's how our economy operates. Growth, boom, bust, recession, recovery, boom, bust, and so on.
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Postby Brickistan » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:58 pm

Old-snake wrote:
Brickistan wrote:In effect, the current boom'n'bust cycle is being driven by a few insanely wealthy individuals. No.. Scratch that... In actuality, it's being driven by a bunch of computers, owned by investment firms and funds who're in turn owned by a few insanely wealthy individuals. They're getting richer, riding ever higher on the booms while offloading the cost of the busts on you and me.

The war economy.... it's run by the Patriots....


Patriot whose wallet is getting fat while young men die...

Wallenburg wrote:Of course there will be another recession. That's how our economy operates. Growth, boom, bust, recession, recovery, boom, bust, and so on.


It doesn't have to though. But somehow, we've entirely forgotten that it's okay to criticize capitalism.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:33 pm

We should get rid of speculators and have more regulation of Wall Street and stop letting the rest of the world use the US as a piggy bank. US treasury debt shouldn't be risk free. No investment should be.

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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:52 pm

Old-snake wrote:
Brickistan wrote:In effect, the current boom'n'bust cycle is being driven by a few insanely wealthy individuals. No.. Scratch that... In actuality, it's being driven by a bunch of computers, owned by investment firms and funds who're in turn owned by a few insanely wealthy individuals. They're getting richer, riding ever higher on the booms while offloading the cost of the busts on you and me.

The war economy.... it's run by the Patriots....


Like the football team? No wonder it's been having so many problems. Everyone knows football players aren't smart enough to run the economy.
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Postby Kauthar » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:03 pm

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Postby Quokkastan » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:08 pm

The Florists Union wrote:I know the reason.


Don't worry, we'll just build a wall around the Chinese economy. And get them to pay for it.
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Postby Kauthar » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:26 pm

The Florists Union wrote:I know the reason.


well the chinese stock market did crash in June.
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Postby U n i t y » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:29 pm

Well, there are recessions on average every 8 years so yes, there will be another recession.

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Postby Old-snake » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:32 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Old-snake wrote:The war economy.... it's run by the Patriots....


Like the football team? No wonder it's been having so many problems. Everyone knows football players aren't smart enough to run the economy.

Are the members of this football team named JD, AL, TR, and TJ?

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Postby Old-snake » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:34 pm

Brickistan wrote:
Old-snake wrote:The war economy.... it's run by the Patriots....


Patriot whose wallet is getting fat while young men die...


War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, ethnicity. It's about fat men.

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Postby Quokkastan » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:35 pm

Old-snake wrote:
Brickistan wrote:
Patriot whose wallet is getting fat while young men die...


War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, ethnicity. It's about fat men.

War. War never changes.

Although, coincidentally, you're not entirely wrong about the fat men...
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:37 pm

Brickistan wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Of course there will be another recession. That's how our economy operates. Growth, boom, bust, recession, recovery, boom, bust, and so on.

It doesn't have to though. But somehow, we've entirely forgotten that it's okay to criticize capitalism.

All I said was that is how capitalism works. I never said that it was a good thing.
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Postby Old-snake » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:39 pm

Quokkastan wrote:
Old-snake wrote:
War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, ethnicity. It's about fat men.

War. War never changes.

Although, coincidentally, you're not entirely wrong about the fat men...


War has changed. Even though you've made a mistake, don't regret you past, learn from it! Regrets just make a person weaker.

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Postby Venom-Snake » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:42 pm

Old-snake wrote:
Brickistan wrote:In effect, the current boom'n'bust cycle is being driven by a few insanely wealthy individuals. No.. Scratch that... In actuality, it's being driven by a bunch of computers, owned by investment firms and funds who're in turn owned by a few insanely wealthy individuals. They're getting richer, riding ever higher on the booms while offloading the cost of the busts on you and me.

The war economy.... it's run by the Patriots....


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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:43 pm

U n i t y wrote:Well, there are recessions on average every 8 years so yes, there will be another recession.

Maybe if you got rid of wall street speculators and actually had risk in US treasury debt and in wasn't a risk free asset and the rest of the world didn't use the US as its piggy bank we wouldn't be worrying about this.

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Postby U n i t y » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
U n i t y wrote:Well, there are recessions on average every 8 years so yes, there will be another recession.

Maybe if you got rid of wall street speculators and actually had risk in US treasury debt and in wasn't a risk free asset and the rest of the world didn't use the US as its piggy bank we wouldn't be worrying about this.

That's not how economics work.

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Postby Hilsbrad » Sat Jan 23, 2016 4:39 pm

The world economic collapse is coming!

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