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Is America Racist?

Postby Port Charlotte » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:10 am

Slavery is the most widely cited proof of American Evil, the only problem with that is in every civilization in world history, including African societies, practiced slavery often on a much larger scale then America did. There are two other questions about slavery that must be asked in order to make a moral judgment about America.

The first is which societies were the first to abolish slavery?
-Since all societies had slavery that's a far more important question to ask the who had slaves. All the societies that first abolished slavery were rooted in the Jewish and Christian Bibles, and among them were the United States

The second question that needs to be answered is this, was America morally better then other societies in just about every other regard?
-Yes. America became the least racist, least xenophobic country in the world.

I think that the public is only shown the negatives of statics. Take Racial profiling, an abuse of blacks by police, in the summer of 2014 Ferguson Missouri became "ground zero" for this accusation when a white officer shot and killed an unarmed black teenager. While the Department of Justice investigation cleared the officer of any wrong doing it did accuse the cities police department of racial bias.

But what were the Justice departments most headlined stat? The gap in the percentage of the blacks living in Ferguson (67%) and the percentage of those stopped by police for traffic violations who were black. (85%) (85-67=18) Racism right? Not so fast. Blacks make up (25%) of New York City but account for (55%) of traffic violations, a thirty point difference. Why isn't the NYPD a majority of which is minority considered more intuitionally racist then the Ferguson PD?

You can't have an honest discussion of police conduct without an honest discussion of black crime.

Blacks make up 13% of the population while they commit 50 percent of the nations homicides and in almost every case it is blacks killing blacks, just like most white homicides are whites killing whites.

In 2012 the CDC said the police killed 123 blacks while killing twice as many whites. But that same year blacks killed 6000 people, again mostly other blacks.

Traffic stops, since traffic stops allow the officer to exercise more discretion racist cops can have a field day right? Wrong. The National Institute of Justice is the research agency of the Department of Justice. In 2013 NIJ published a study called "Race, Trust, and Police Legitimacy" Three out of four black drivers admitted to being stopped for a legitimate reason. Blacks compared to whites, on average are more likely to speed and commit other traffic offenses. The Institute wrote "seatbelt usage is chronically lower among black drivers, If a law enforcement agency aggressively enforces seatbelt violations, police will stop more black drivers. The NIJ conclusion, these were differences in offending. Not racism. The National Highway Traffic Administration reported the blacks violate traffic laws at higher rate then whites, in every offence.

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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:36 am

Care to address HR practices? Segregated neighborhoods? Stereotypes? Bias in criminal sentencing?

I think the current fuss about policing sometimes blows the problem out of proportion. The media has overhyped the issue while other things that kill more people, but make for less dramatic news, are allowed to fly under the radar.

That doesn't mean there is no racism.

Sure other countries have their own race issues, and some people exaggerate just how bad the racism is -- but there is still some racism in the US.
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Postby The Grim Reaper » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:41 am

Tulsa race riot, segregation, internment of the Japanese-Americans, Contra, disproportionate crime statistics because the population is investigated disproportionately. Also most financial crime is committed by white people, and the highest proportion of prison gang killings are committed by the Aryan Brotherhood, despite them being one of the smallest gangs.

America ceased to use slavery after a civil war in which, according to many pro-Confederate sources, slavery wasn't even a big deal. I disagree with them, but hey, give them /some/ credit ;). According to them, both sides of the Civil War were in fact totally pro-the consideration of black people as property.

America is and was one of the most destructive nations in the 20th and 21st centuries, with the exceptions of Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan. Yes, I believe the USA was worse for the world than the USSR, even though I believe living in the USA was magnitudes of degree better than living in or next to the USSR. See above - the Contra affair, and the effects of segregation on the relationship between American military personnel in WWII and their allies. British stories of having to eject US soldiers from bars and recreational facilities because they refused to mingle with black British soldiers, both native and from the colonies, are a dime-a-dozen.

Police are disproportionately cleared of wrong-doing in racial bias cases because the court system is designed to give police power over the prosecution, as well as police unions power over political discourse. US police unions are some of the most powerful unions on Earth - i.e. their treatment of Mayor de Blasio would not be tolerated by even unions in Australia, I imagine, where unions have a long tradition of involvement in electoral politics, and certainly not any other union in the USA.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:47 am

The Grim Reaper wrote:America ceased to use slavery after a civil war in which, according to many pro-Confederate sources, slavery wasn't even a big deal. I disagree with them, but hey, give them /some/ credit ;). According to them, both sides of the Civil War were in fact totally pro-the consideration of black people as property.


This is why you should not trust pro-Confederate sources.
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Postby Hirota » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:48 am

Very bloggy post, lacks any original content (most of it being copy pasta from PragerU), and lacks any sort of question as a starting point or original posters opinion.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:49 am

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Postby Lydenburg » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:52 am

Americans are going to throw egg at me for saying this, but when I was there the race relations in the U.S. were the best I've seen of any country I've been to. Members of all races are just more inclusive and less cliquish, and slurs are still common but increasingly frowned upon, especially among the younger generation of Yanks.

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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:53 am

Well yes there is the obvious slavery. Then there are Japanese internment camps, the whole Manifest Destiny, wildly disproportionate crime stats, Jim Crow laws all the way up to the 60s, Omaha race riot, Red Summer, ESTL race riot, the York Riot and countless other race riots to name a few things. So, yeah. I would go with racism has and is pretty embedded in America.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:58 am

Lydenburg wrote:Americans are going to throw egg at me for saying this, but when I was there the race relations in the U.S. were the best I've seen of any country I've been to. Members of all races are just more inclusive and less cliquish, and slurs are still common but increasingly frowned upon, especially among the younger generation of Yanks.


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Postby British Prussia » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:14 am

Well, comparatively, the US isn't that racist when you compare it to the rest of the world. It's made some real strides since thr late 60's. Sure, it still has problems, but the vast majority of Americans have learnt how to live in a multicultural society.

But, when you compare it to places like the UK and NZ, where racism isn't so institutionalised, the US doesn't fare too well. Lydenburg is right, it much less common among the American youth.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:16 am

America is not racist. We do, however, have a lot of racists.

Meanwhile, the OP is a mountain of bullshit. It's bloggy, unsourced, and is itself a very racist argument.
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Postby Port Charlotte » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:10 am


That was funny! :clap:
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Postby Armed Union » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:13 am

Lol we have a black president.

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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:22 am

Armed union wrote:Lol we have a black president.

So what?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:29 am

Armed union wrote:Lol we have a black president.

Something which infuriates no small number of Americans, based on the prevalence of the meme that he is secretly a Kenyan Muslim.
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Copy/paste blog posts (or transcripts of a YouTube video) do not a discussion thread make.


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