Why aren't you a Pan-Leftist?

[Cythraul]

All of the Nordic countries, Canada, France, Germany, the UK.
Just off the top of my head.

Canada, France, Germany, and the UK aren't social democratic.

How true. France is neither social, nor democratic...but you can ear these words every day, like in good old Deutsche Demokratische Republik toward which we have some unhealthy concupiscence.

[Haritopia]

I just simply can't think of a social democratic nation currently existing. Care to name a few examples?

All of the Nordic countries, Canada, France, Germany, the UK.
Just off the top of my head.

I think you do have the term "social democracy" confused with "neoliberalism" and "welfare state".
All the countries you named are regular capitalist nations.

[Unnamed island state]

All of the Nordic countries, Canada, France, Germany, the UK.
Just off the top of my head.

I think you do have the term "social democracy" confused with "neoliberalism" and "welfare state".
All the countries you named are regular capitalist nations.

Neoliberalism isn't a thing.

[Genivaria]

All of the Nordic countries, Canada, France, Germany, the UK.
Just off the top of my head.

I think you do have the term "social democracy" confused with "neoliberalism" and "welfare state".
All the countries you named are regular capitalist nations.

You seem to think that social democracy and capitalist are mutually exclusive.
They are not.

[Conscentia]

I think you do have the term "social democracy" confused with "neoliberalism" and "welfare state".
All the countries you named are regular capitalist nations.

Neoliberalism isn't a thing.

[Unnamed island state]

Neoliberalism isn't a thing.

It's a term whose initial meaning has been misused to pinpoint the bogeymen in favor of some sort of economic liberalization, even though said bogeymen don't have a common political philosophy.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Social Democratic was the phrase I mean't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

I just simply can't think of a social democratic nation currently existing. Care to name a few examples?

Sweden..? Norway..? Most of fucking Western Europe?

[Haritopia]

I think you do have the term "social democracy" confused with "neoliberalism" and "welfare state".
All the countries you named are regular capitalist nations.

You seem to think that social democracy and capitalist are mutually exclusive.
They are not.

Ah excuse me, I might have confused the terms social democracy with democratic socialism.

Social democracy is simply centrist then. Democratic socialism at least strives for a democratic transition to socialism, social democrats on the other hand are just ok with the status quo. What the demand are nothing more than the most basic worker's rights mixed with welfare and just a horrible immigration policy which is destroying their nations.

[Novus America]

I think you do have the term "social democracy" confused with "neoliberalism" and "welfare state".
All the countries you named are regular capitalist nations.

You seem to think that social democracy and capitalist are mutually exclusive.
They are not.

In fact social democracy is by its very definition of form of reformed mixed market capitalism.

Again no country in the world has a completely capitalist economy.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Ah excuse me, I might have confused the terms social democracy with democratic socialism.

Learn what you're talking about before you start spouting shit.

Social democracy is simply centrist then.

It's basically center-left. Old School Socdems wanted to a reformist transition to socialism, and some still do. Many just want to "make capitalism better."

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm more of a Pot-Leftist myself.

Wok-Leftism or gtfo!

Workers of the world, Stir-Fry!

[Imperializt Russia]

All of the Nordic countries, Canada, France, Germany, the UK.
Just off the top of my head.

I think you do have the term "social democracy" confused with "neoliberalism" and "welfare state".
All the countries you named are regular capitalist nations.

The UK used to be a social democracy until Thatcher happened (and also a bit before then, but mostly Thatcher's approximate era).

[Novus America]

You seem to think that social democracy and capitalist are mutually exclusive.
They are not.

Ah excuse me, I might have confused the terms social democracy with democratic socialism.

Social democracy is simply centrist then. Democratic socialism at least strives for a democratic transition to socialism, social democrats on the other hand are just ok with the status quo. What the demand are nothing more than the most basic worker's rights mixed with welfare and just a horrible immigration policy which is destroying their nations.

Well Bernie Sanders has not done enough research to understand the difference either. So now you know more than he does.

Social democracy is very different than democratic socialism. The best example of democratic socialism would be the UK in the 70s. The government owned most big businesses and most heavy industry.

Social democracy is the Nordics and much of Western Europe. In the case of the Nordics they are at the top of ease of business and economic freedom scores. Most things are privatized and regulations simplified and minimized to protect workers without costing the company. Meanwhile their are distributive and redistributive policies to create greater equality and make sure the poor still get by.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Well Bernie Sanders has not done enough research to understand the difference either. So now you know more than he does.

Considering his extensive involvement with full-fledged socialists in his early days, I sincerely doubt Sanders is unaware of what socialism really is. The fact is, he's going to get called a dirty Red and ebul Soviet socialist anyway; why shouldn't he just appropriate a term most Americans already have a definition for, and bring it out of its current state as a pejorative?

[Unnamed island state]

Well Bernie Sanders has not done enough research to understand the difference either. So now you know more than he does.

Considering his extensive involvement with full-fledged socialists in his early days, I sincerely doubt Sanders is unaware of what socialism really is. The fact is, he's going to get called a dirty Red and ebul Soviet socialist anyway; why shouldn't he just appropriate a term most Americans already have a definition for, and bring it out of its current state as a pejorative?

He shouldn't go around calling himself a socialist because it's misinformation. But clearly, it's purpose is to make Bernie more attractive to the overexcited and rebellious younger voters.

[Haritopia]

Well Bernie Sanders has not done enough research to understand the difference either. So now you know more than he does.

Considering his extensive involvement with full-fledged socialists in his early days, I sincerely doubt Sanders is unaware of what socialism really is. The fact is, he's going to get called a dirty Red and ebul Soviet socialist anyway; why shouldn't he just appropriate a term most Americans already have a definition for, and bring it out of its current state as a pejorative?

Considering that the US are filled with people who think that Obama is a socialist or Trump a fascist, it is no wonder, they do have a disorted political compass.

For a country so used to right wing pro-capitalist policies, each person who wishes for basic worker's rights would be considered a communist...

[Novus America]

Well Bernie Sanders has not done enough research to understand the difference either. So now you know more than he does.

Considering his extensive involvement with full-fledged socialists in his early days, I sincerely doubt Sanders is unaware of what socialism really is. The fact is, he's going to get called a dirty Red and ebul Soviet socialist anyway; why shouldn't he just appropriate a term most Americans already have a definition for, and bring it out of its current state as a pejorative?

Well when he says he wants democratic socialism like the Nordics he is either ignorant or lying. Why not try to sell social democracy instead? Yeah maybe he is lying about socialism to make it look better but that is not a good thing.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Considering his extensive involvement with full-fledged socialists in his early days, I sincerely doubt Sanders is unaware of what socialism really is. The fact is, he's going to get called a dirty Red and ebul Soviet socialist anyway; why shouldn't he just appropriate a term most Americans already have a definition for, and bring it out of its current state as a pejorative?

He shouldn't go around calling himself a socialist because it's misinformation. But clearly, it's purpose is to make Bernie more attractive to the overexcited and rebellious younger voters.

A literal child has no right to talk about "overexcited and rebellious younger voters."

[Unnamed island state]

He shouldn't go around calling himself a socialist because it's misinformation. But clearly, it's purpose is to make Bernie more attractive to the overexcited and rebellious younger voters.

A literal child has no right to talk about "overexcited and rebellious younger voters."

Ad hominem?

[Novus America]

Considering his extensive involvement with full-fledged socialists in his early days, I sincerely doubt Sanders is unaware of what socialism really is. The fact is, he's going to get called a dirty Red and ebul Soviet socialist anyway; why shouldn't he just appropriate a term most Americans already have a definition for, and bring it out of its current state as a pejorative?

Considering that the US are filled with people who think that Obama is a socialist or Trump a fascist, it is no wonder, they do have a disorted political compass.

For a country so used to right wing pro-capitalist policies, each person who wishes for basic worker's rights would be considered a communist...

America is not that super capitalist. Again the Nordics have a better economic freedom and ease of business. American bussiness are covered in government red tape and the US has the HIGHEST corporate income tax in the developed world!

Yes our discourse is screwed up by people like Trump and Sanders spewing bullshit to sound edgy though.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Considering his extensive involvement with full-fledged socialists in his early days, I sincerely doubt Sanders is unaware of what socialism really is. The fact is, he's going to get called a dirty Red and ebul Soviet socialist anyway; why shouldn't he just appropriate a term most Americans already have a definition for, and bring it out of its current state as a pejorative?

Well when he says he wants democratic socialism like the Nordics he is either ignorant or lying. Why not try to sell social democracy instead? Yeah maybe he is lying about socialism to make it look better but that is not a good thing.

You think Americans will give a shit about his differentiation between social democracy and socialism? He'll look like a cop-out, a weakling, and a liar. Better for him and politics if he just embraces the title.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

A literal child has no right to talk about "overexcited and rebellious younger voters."

Ad hominem?

i'm not attacking you as a person in place of an argument. You're the one who first said people only like Sanders because they're "overexcited," "rebellious," and young. The source is flawed. You seem to be under the false impression you're somehow better and more mature than the rest of your generation.

[Unnamed island state]

Ad hominem?

i'm not attacking you as a person in place of an argument. You're the one who first said people only like Sanders because they're "overexcited," "rebellious," and young. The source is flawed. You seem to be under the false impression you're somehow better and more mature than the rest of your generation.

Still ad hominem, and it's not even my generation.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

i'm not attacking you as a person in place of an argument. You're the one who first said people only like Sanders because they're "overexcited," "rebellious," and young. The source is flawed. You seem to be under the false impression you're somehow better and more mature than the rest of your generation.

Still ad hominem, and it's not even my generation.

Oh, right. You can't vote. Never mind, then. You win this round. Back to honing my rebellious, immature, ideological edge that I'll surely lose once I come to my senses, whatever day that happens.

[Reagan-land]

i'm not attacking you as a person in place of an argument. You're the one who first said people only like Sanders because they're "overexcited," "rebellious," and young. The source is flawed. You seem to be under the false impression you're somehow better and more mature than the rest of your generation.

Still ad hominem, and it's not even my generation.

What his generation is isn't relevant. If he thinks that Sander's supporters are all consisting of "overexcited", "rebellious" and "young" he can, and I would personally agree with him, but that's just me