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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:25 pm

New Reagan-land wrote:
New confederate ramenia wrote:I'm also American. Conservatism means wanting things to stay the same, and I don't think you want America to stay the same. You're a right-winger, but not conservative.

Okay I suppose that's one way to look at it

edit: as for me wanting America to stay the same or change? I sure as hell don't want Obamas "Hope'n change" crap to stay.. so yeah I want it to change you could say

So you're a reactionary.
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Postby Ararat Mountain » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:26 pm

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New confederate ramenia wrote:I'm also American. Conservatism means wanting things to stay the same, and I don't think you want America to stay the same. You're a right-winger, but not conservative.

That is by far, one of the most ironic comments ever posted. That's like saying you're left-winger, but not progressive.

Left-wingers now are by far the 'regressive'
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Postby New Reagan-land » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:26 pm

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New Reagan-land wrote:
For me, it goes to show how immature liberals are when handed power. I'm a big freedom of speech fan so I would never ban someone just for being a communist or any of the various political identities I disagree with....

You realize almost every Conservative that was a president limited freedom-of-speech. Some limited a lot more than just freedom of speech.


I'm reffering to most liberals in America nowadays being into the whole "political correctness" scheme whereas conservatives are strongly against it

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Postby New Reagan-land » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:27 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
New Reagan-land wrote:Okay I suppose that's one way to look at it

edit: as for me wanting America to stay the same or change? I sure as hell don't want Obamas "Hope'n change" crap to stay.. so yeah I want it to change you could say

So you're a reactionary.


Its synonymous with right winger, so sure why not

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:33 pm

New Reagan-land wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:So you're a reactionary.

Its synonymous with right winger, so sure why not

No, it isn't.
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Postby Ararat Mountain » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:34 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
New Reagan-land wrote:Its synonymous with right winger, so sure why not

No, it isn't.

re·ac·tion·ar·y
rēˈakSHəˌnerē
adjective
1.
(of a person or a set of views) opposing political or social liberalization or reform.
synonyms: right-wing, conservative, rightist, ultraconservative; More
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և մի տանիր զմեզ ի փորձութիւն։ այլ փրկեա զմեզ ի չարէն։ զի Քո է արքայություն և զորություն և փառք յավիտյանս.

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Postby Kubra » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:39 pm

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You have more posts than me. That means you have higher class consciousness than me. Thus, you should become a revolutionary leader in the vanguard.

One spam post at a time will bring us all closer to the lolvolution!!!
you can apply that to literally any political ideology bruv
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:40 pm

Ararat Mountain wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:No, it isn't.

re·ac·tion·ar·y
rēˈakSHəˌnerē
adjective
1.
(of a person or a set of views) opposing political or social liberalization or reform.
synonyms: right-wing, conservative, rightist, ultraconservative; More

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary
"A reactionary is a person who holds political views that favor a return to the status quo ante, the previous political state of society, which they believe possessed characteristics (discipline, respect for authority, etc.) that are negatively absent from the contemporary status quo of a society. As an adjective, the word reactionary describes points of view and policies meant to restore the status quo ante."

Not all right-wingers are reactionary. Plenty are conservative. Some are even revolutionary.
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Postby Aramnia » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:45 pm

Ararat Mountain wrote:
Benomia 3 wrote:
Literally every political system and economic system that has ever been tried has been terrible for the people. There hasn't been a single polity with any actual significance in Human history that was problem-free.

And there never will be as long as human nature exists. And that wil and I don't think anyone wants that to go away. But socialism (god forbid communism) , is much worse compared to Capitalism, where people have rights, ideas, inventions, can actually make money.

Yes, because in Communism, people can't have rights, ideas, or inventions. /s

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Postby Jochistan » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:50 pm

Aramnia wrote:
Ararat Mountain wrote:And there never will be as long as human nature exists. And that wil and I don't think anyone wants that to go away. But socialism (god forbid communism) , is much worse compared to Capitalism, where people have rights, ideas, inventions, can actually make money.

Yes, because in Communism, people can't have rights, ideas, or inventions. /s

That's frequently the outcome.
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Postby Hladgos » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:51 pm

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Postby Arach-Naga Combine » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:53 pm

I DO hold pans with my left hand.

Or does this refer to left brain hemisphere dominance as per standard Troll vocabulary?

Because I don't think it's about my sexual preference for monstergirls.
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Postby Aramnia » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:53 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Aramnia wrote:Yes, because in Communism, people can't have rights, ideas, or inventions. /s

That's frequently the outcome.

Please give me an example of a fully stable Communistic society that has ever existed on which you can base that assertion and give evidence.

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Postby New Reagan-land » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:54 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Aramnia wrote:Yes, because in Communism, people can't have rights, ideas, or inventions. /s

That's frequently the outcome.


He refers strictly to the idea of communism and doesn't give much attention to the actual affects and attempts at it in real life :rofl:

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Postby New Reagan-land » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:54 pm

Aramnia wrote:
Jochistan wrote:That's frequently the outcome.

Please give me an example of a fully stable Communistic society that has ever existed on which you can base that assertion and give evidence.


see^

edit: out of curiosity do you think we should attempt to establish a communist country again?
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:55 pm

Jochistan wrote:
Aramnia wrote:Yes, because in Communism, people can't have rights, ideas, or inventions. /s

That's frequently the outcome.

Communism's never been achieved on a large scale, for us to know that. Stop lying.
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Postby New Reagan-land » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:57 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Jochistan wrote:That's frequently the outcome.

Communism's never been achieved on a large scale, for us to know that. Stop lying.


Do you believe we should attempt to create a new communist society?

edit: its just a yes or no question
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Postby Aramnia » Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:59 pm

New Reagan-land wrote:
Jochistan wrote:That's frequently the outcome.


He refers strictly to the idea of communism and doesn't give much attention to the actual affects and attempts at it in real life :rofl:

That tends to happen when one defends an ideology. Then there's also the fact that, as I said before, "Communist country" is an oxymoron. We've seen intermediary states whose efforts have ended in disaster, at least some of those partially because of outside capitalistic influences. All you're saying is "let's look at these things that weren't Communism and call them Communism." I'll grant that they were attempts, but what you're ultimately doing is calling things that weren't Communism Communism, which should rightly be called out as nonsense.

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Postby New Reagan-land » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:00 pm

Aramnia wrote:
New Reagan-land wrote:
He refers strictly to the idea of communism and doesn't give much attention to the actual affects and attempts at it in real life :rofl:

That tends to happen when one defends an ideology. Then there's also the fact that, as I said before, "Communist country" is an oxymoron. We've seen intermediary states whose efforts have ended in disaster, at least some of those partially because of outside capitalistic influences. All you're saying is "let's look at these things that weren't Communism and call them Communism." I'll grant that they were attempts, but what you're ultimately doing is calling things that weren't Communism Communism, which should rightly be called out as nonsense.


Well, do you believe humanity should take another go at attempting to create a communist society?

edit: its a yes or no question
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Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:01 pm

This sounds a lot like the "why aren't you an afro-centrist?" thread.
I am just going to lay it out here, I am going to be very blunt.

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Postby Aramnia » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:01 pm

New Reagan-land wrote:
Aramnia wrote:That tends to happen when one defends an ideology. Then there's also the fact that, as I said before, "Communist country" is an oxymoron. We've seen intermediary states whose efforts have ended in disaster, at least some of those partially because of outside capitalistic influences. All you're saying is "let's look at these things that weren't Communism and call them Communism." I'll grant that they were attempts, but what you're ultimately doing is calling things that weren't Communism Communism, which should rightly be called out as nonsense.


Well, do you believe humanity should take another go at attempting to create a communist society?

edit: its a yes or no question

Yes. And please learn the difference between "it's" and "its."

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Postby New Reagan-land » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:03 pm

Aramnia wrote:
New Reagan-land wrote:
Well, do you believe humanity should take another go at attempting to create a communist society?

edit: its a yes or no question

Yes. And please learn the difference between "it's" and "its."


Thank you for my grammar lesson..?

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Postby Jochistan » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:04 pm

The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:This sounds a lot like the "why aren't you an afro-centrist?" thread.

Good times
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Postby Aramnia » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:06 pm

New Reagan-land wrote:
Aramnia wrote:Yes. And please learn the difference between "it's" and "its."


Thank you for my grammar lesson..?

One of my peeves. I don't nitpick about grammar too much, but if I see someone consistently making the same errors, I'll correct them. It's not a great habit. :P

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Postby Jochistan » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:07 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Jochistan wrote:That's frequently the outcome.

Communism's never been achieved on a large scale, for us to know that. Stop lying.

That's because it's a hypothetical utopia. Based on a system of building it made through little more than working class nationalism and class warfare.

Utopias, much less utopias to be built through total extermination of entire groups of people, are basically unachievable.
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