Why aren't you a Pan-Leftist?

[Calimera II]

As an anarchist, it sure as hell isn't our fault. Every time we cooperate with you guys, you use us to your ends, then promptly stab us in the back when the goal is achieved.

#RememberKronstadt

I see you switched to an anarchist? That was fast

Pruss has been an anarchist for a very long time now. But you cannot know since you are new here.

[Benomia 3]

So having 0.8% of the population live like kings while 99.2% live in practical squalor is preferable to having everyone live in sustainable (if inprosperous) living conditions?

Because that's, after all, the capitalist way.

I can name some countries that have a population that lives in filth yet has a small ruling class living like kings.

Soviet union (deceased)
North Korea
Cuba
Vietnam (no longer as communist)
Communist Germany (deceased)

Let us destroy the evil greed of capitalism! oh wait.....

well shit

None of those countries actually implemented communistic policies on a large scale. Germany, the Soviet Union, and Cuba were essentially state capitalist (some of the corporations formed by the Soviet Union's government still exist as state-controlled corporations in Russia). North Korea is nothing short of totalitarian. Vietnam started out as essentially socialistic fascism, but moved towards a relatively benign mixed economy in the mid-eighties.

Note that not a single country you list actually adhered to the Marxist concept of "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."

[New Reagan-land]

In idea, that is communism. In practice as seen in the USSR?

The USSR never claimed to have achieved communism.

In practice as in "hey lets try and be communist". As we all know, it failed

[Calimera II]

None of those countries where Communist (the terms "Country" and "Communist" are contradictory) and none of those nations were ever Socialist for a long-period of time.

You're simply letting the Cold War propaganda that still infects the Western Education system to delude what actual Socialism and Communism is.

*deleted the annoying emojis*
do some research on the lives of life in communist countries. Check out interviews and such, or is it all an evil capitalist propaganda program ?

Answer me. Have you ever read some books on socialism, communism, the elite, class struggle etc? I highly doubt it.

[Pandeeria]

None of those countries where Communist (the terms "Country" and "Communist" are contradictory) and none of those nations were ever Socialist for a long-period of time.

You're simply letting the Cold War propaganda that still infects the Western Education system to delude what actual Socialism and Communism is.

do some research on the lives of life in communist countries. Check out interviews and such, or is it all an evil capitalist propaganda program ?

You should probably research the definition of Communism and Socialism, as none of those authoritarian shit holes were Communist nor Socialist.

[Italios]

I see you switched to an anarchist? That was fast

..."switched?" Since when? I've been an anarchist for years...

Time moves faster in New Reagan-land's world.

[New Reagan-land]

I see you switched to an anarchist? That was fast

Pruss has been an anarchist for a very long time now. But you cannot know since you are new here.

1.) I have two accounts, Reagan-land and New Reagan land.
2.) I had a discussion with him where he claimed he was a socialist

around a week or two ago

[Geilinor]

So having 0.8% of the population live like kings while 99.2% live in practical squalor is preferable to having everyone live in sustainable (if inprosperous) living conditions?

Because that's, after all, the capitalist way.

99.2% of the population isn't living in squalor. The world is considerably less dark than you think it is.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

The USSR never claimed to have achieved communism.

In practice as in "hey lets try and be communist". As we all know, it failed

Lenin's rule was fairly successful, in terms of moving into a socialist transition state, considering the lot Russia had been dealt at that point in their economic history. I seriously doubt Stalin had achieving communism in his main interests by the time he rose to power.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Pruss has been an anarchist for a very long time now. But you cannot know since you are new here.

1.) I have two accounts, Reagan-land and New Reagan land.
2.) I had a discussion with him where he claimed he was a socialist

around a week or two ago

...yes, of course I'm a socialist. You can't be an anarchist and not a socialist lol

[Calimera II]

..."switched?" Since when? I've been an anarchist for years...

Time moves faster in New Reagan-land's world.

Really? I thought Reagan-land was stuck in the 80s.

[New Reagan-land]

do some research on the lives of life in communist countries. Check out interviews and such, or is it all an evil capitalist propaganda program ?

You should probably research the definition of Communism and Socialism, as none of those authoritarian shit holes were Communist nor Socialist.

Then we can come to the conclusion communism fails every time because it is inevitably hijacked by a authoritarian

[New Reagan-land]

Time moves faster in New Reagan-land's world.

Really? I thought Reagan-land was stuck in the 80s.

The 80s never ends. NEVER

edit: EVER

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Answer me. Have you ever read some books on socialism, communism, the elite, class struggle etc? I highly doubt it.

He's listened to every single speech by Ronald Reagan ever recorded, and that's good enough for him.

[Pandeeria]

You should probably research the definition of Communism and Socialism, as none of those authoritarian shit holes were Communist nor Socialist.

Then we can come to the conclusion communism fails every time because it is inevitably hijacked by a authoritarian

That is a fair conclusion.

[Italios]

The USSR never claimed to have achieved communism.

In practice as in "hey lets try and be communist". As we all know, it failed

Soviet Union was a state capitalist society [1] with totalitarian government [2]. That is, all means of production were controlled by the state. No private ownership allowed. Internationalism was a basis of Soviet national politics.

"Communism is a stateless society with commonly owned means of production. [4] Stateless implies no borders; all countries are cooperating and benefiting the whole planet, not a particular nation."

[Source]

They're not really communist, by definition.

[Benomia 3]

When communism was put in practice in the proto-state that eventually formed the USSR, it was actually wildly successful. The problem was that it only lasted for a few months, and only really occurred in a few of the industrial zones. By the time the power struggles that marked the beginning of the RSFSR ended, there was relatively little practical communism in effect - by the time Lenin died there was essentially no traces of Marxist thought in the actual state ideology.

It really is a shame that Stalin was involved in the revolution at all. Had Trotsky taken over after Lenin's death instead, the world would be a very, very different place.

You would be correct. Without Stalin's industrial reform, something which neither Lenin nor Trotsky would've done since it would've resulted in a mass loss of life, Germany in the second world war would've kicked the ever-living shit out of the USSR. Due to Stalin's rapid industrialization could the USSR produce enough stuff and mine out enough natural resources to fend off Germany, and even then it was pretty close.

"It was pretty close"? Hardly. Every historian worth his salt would agree that Barbarossa was a logistically impossibility even if it was pulled off correctly, which it wasn't.
WWII would have been a little longer, sure, and a lot more people would have died, sure, but it's extremely unlikely that Germany was going to win that war.

The real 'branching point' to look at is if Japan would have moved forward with their planned invasion of Siberia, but that's hardly relevant to this thread.

[New Reagan-land]

Then we can come to the conclusion communism fails every time because it is inevitably hijacked by a authoritarian

That is a fair conclusion.

Have you picked up a history book to understand what happens when fellows with good intentions try to hijack the system and achieve communism? As we can see, it failed every time and fell under authoritarian rule

[New Reagan-land]

You would be correct. Without Stalin's industrial reform, something which neither Lenin nor Trotsky would've done since it would've resulted in a mass loss of life, Germany in the second world war would've kicked the ever-living shit out of the USSR. Due to Stalin's rapid industrialization could the USSR produce enough stuff and mine out enough natural resources to fend off Germany, and even then it was pretty close.

"It was pretty close"? Hardly. Every historian worth his salt would agree that Barbarossa was a logistically impossibility even if it was pulled off correctly, which it wasn't.
WWII would have been a little longer, sure, and a lot more people would have died, sure, but it's extremely unlikely that Germany was going to win that war.

The real 'branching point' to look at is if Japan would have moved forward with their planned invasion of Siberia, but that's hardly relevant to this thread.

This isn't a WW2 thread

[Calimera II]

Really? I thought Reagan-land was stuck in the 80s.

The 80s never ends. NEVER

edit: EVER

The 80s had some good aspects.. but... Good luck reading cold war propaganda. Which book are you reading now? ''Hitler was a communist'' or ''Betty the 3vil wh0re cuz she commie?''

[Benomia 3]

The USSR never claimed to have achieved communism.

In practice as in "hey lets try and be communist". As we all know, it failed

Your knowledge of history is so appalling I'm honestly a little bit offended.

So having 0.8% of the population live like kings while 99.2% live in practical squalor is preferable to having everyone live in sustainable (if inprosperous) living conditions?

Because that's, after all, the capitalist way.

99.2% of the population isn't living in squalor. The world is considerably less dark than you think it is.

Not yet, my friend, but wait. You'll see.

[New Reagan-land]

In practice as in "hey lets try and be communist". As we all know, it failed

Soviet Union was a state capitalist society [1] with totalitarian government [2]. That is, all means of production were controlled by the state. No private ownership allowed. Internationalism was a basis of Soviet national politics.

"Communism is a stateless society with commonly owned means of production. [4] Stateless implies no borders; all countries are cooperating and benefiting the whole planet, not a particular nation."

[Source]

They're not really communist, by definition.

Then (once again) we learned it failed by falling under tyrant rule / someone made a mistake that accidently ruined our perfect society / whatever

[Calimera II]

That is a fair conclusion.

Have you picked up a history book to understand what happens when fellows with good intentions try to hijack the system and achieve communism? As we can see, it failed every time and fell under authoritarian rule

One can also argue that the cold war corrupted socialist leaders throughout the world.

[Benomia 3]

1.) I have two accounts, Reagan-land and New Reagan land.
2.) I had a discussion with him where he claimed he was a socialist

around a week or two ago

...yes, of course I'm a socialist. You can't be an anarchist and not a socialist lol

Well, you could, you'd just be extremely naïve.

You should probably research the definition of Communism and Socialism, as none of those authoritarian shit holes were Communist nor Socialist.

Then we can come to the conclusion communism fails every time because it is inevitably hijacked by a authoritarian

If I roll a six-sided die ten times and it lands on either one or two every time, that doesn't mean that I've proven that all dice always either land on one or two.

[New Reagan-land]

The 80s never ends. NEVER

edit: EVER

The 80s had some good aspects.. but... Good luck reading cold war propaganda. Which book are you reading now? ''Hitler was a communist'' or ''Betty the 3vil wh0re cuz she commie?''