Anglican church against gay marriage

[Diopolis]

Of course they do. Who wouldn't want Christianity to match their arbitrary preconcieved agenda?
Of course, most people have the maturity to realize that it doesn't and that they(themselves) are not always right, but still.

You mean trying to argue that the Bible says something that the Church inferred from certain passage kind to match their preconceived agenda?

The bible is not the sole foundation of faith. To prioritize scripture over tradition is a grave error.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

You've made that clear enough, you have yet to show us why.

Because you have shown no reason why your gay stuff is natural

You mean, beside pointing to instances where it occurs in other animals, but I am not arguing that it is natural (it is, it has occurred in both human, primates, and other, more distantly related species, and is well documented, there is even an ignobel prize awarded, some years back, to the first recorded instance of homosexual necrophilia amongst mallard ducks), but that it is permissible within the Bible, and even if it is unnatural, there is no way to get from that descriptive statement to a modal one, such as 'you shouldn't be gay'.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

You mean trying to argue that the Bible says something that the Church inferred from certain passage kind to match their preconceived agenda?

The bible is not the sole foundation of faith. To prioritize scripture over tradition is a grave error.

It is a grave error to accept human tradition in the face of the Word of God, when these tradition, supposedly from the time of the Apostles, can only be confirmed circularly, that is that we have always been doing it, it is even in documents are far back as several centuries after the death of Christ, and therefore tradition is justified. I will not argue this point, only that we should argue sola scriptura simply because the scriptures is the only common thing amongst all of Christendom.

[St alberto]

Because you have shown no reason why your gay stuff is natural

You mean, beside pointing to instances where it occurs in other animals, but I am not arguing that it is natural (it is, it has occurred in both human, primates, and other, more distantly related species, and is well documented, there is even an ignobel prize awarded, some years back, to the first recorded instance of homosexual necrophilia amongst mallard ducks), but that it is permissible within the Bible, and even if it is unnatural, there is no way to get from that descriptive statement to a modal one, such as 'you shouldn't be gay'.

Your point are insufficient and invalid . There is nothing good in this your point , in-short you are nothing but a gay lobbyist

[St alberto]

The bible is not the sole foundation of faith. To prioritize scripture over tradition is a grave error.

It is a grave error to accept human tradition in the face of the Word of God, when these tradition, supposedly from the time of the Apostles, can only be confirmed circularly, that is that we have always been doing it, it is even in documents are far back as several centuries after the death of Christ, and therefore tradition is justified. I will not argue this point, only that we should argue sola scriptura simply because the scriptures is the only common thing amongst all of Christendom.

Not like homosexual. homosexuality is abnormality and disorderliness

[The Flutterlands]

You've made that clear enough, you have yet to show us why.

Because you have shown no reason why your gay stuff is natural

Because it has been observed in nature!

[The Flutterlands]

It is a grave error to accept human tradition in the face of the Word of God, when these tradition, supposedly from the time of the Apostles, can only be confirmed circularly, that is that we have always been doing it, it is even in documents are far back as several centuries after the death of Christ, and therefore tradition is justified. I will not argue this point, only that we should argue sola scriptura simply because the scriptures is the only common thing amongst all of Christendom.

Not like homosexual. homosexuality is abnormality and disorderliness

How is it abnormality and disorderliness? Explain it to me logically!

[St alberto]

Because you have shown no reason why your gay stuff is natural

Because it has been observed in nature!

No . it is only been observed in disorderliness and abnormality

[Mike the Progressive]

This isn't really "new."

[The Flutterlands]

Because it has been observed in nature!

No . it is only been observed in disorderliness and abnormality

It has been observed among over 15,000 species of animals. You're argument is wrong on every level.

[St alberto]

Not like homosexual. homosexuality is abnormality and disorderliness

How is it abnormality and disorderliness? Explain it to me logically!

Homosexuality is abnormality and disorderliness because they are logically contrary to the natural

[Constantinopolis]

Most Christians are not Protestants.

Yet, the "Apostolic" Churches often practices things that are not found in the early Church

It depends what you mean by "early". All the major practices of the present-day Apostolic Churches were already established by the year 200 at the latest. And that is also around the time that the Bible acquired its current form (although some books, like the Book of Revelation, remained controversial and were excluded from certain editions of the Bible well into the 4th century).

So, given that the major traditional practices of the Apostolic Churches are about as old as the current form of the Bible (and some are significantly older), why exactly do you believe that these traditions need to be "justified" by reference to the Bible?

In reality, the opposite often happened - some texts were accepted or rejected for inclusion in the Bible based on whether they agreed with established practice or not.

like excluding female priests, when it is clear, from Paul's many epistle, that women are often found spreading the word of God and serving as ministers and leaders.

Not all people who spread the word of God and serve as leaders are priests.

Lay people spread the word of God and serve as leaders all the time.

[The Flutterlands]

How is it abnormality and disorderliness? Explain it to me logically!

Homosexuality is abnormality and disorderliness because they are logically contrary to the natural

Then why has it been observed among 15,000 species of animals?!

[St alberto]

No . it is only been observed in disorderliness and abnormality

It has been observed among over 15,000 species of animals. You're argument is wrong on every level.

No . it is being observed as disorderliness and abnormality in 15000 species of animals , so they are not anywhere around been natural

[St alberto]

Homosexuality is abnormality and disorderliness because they are logically contrary to the natural

Then why has it been observed among 15,000 species of animals?!

Because it is disorderliness and abnormality

[Mike the Progressive]

Then why has it been observed among 15,000 species of animals?!

Because it is disorderliness and abnormality

What?

[The Flutterlands]

You are arguing in circles now, how is 'male-female marriage' natural laws, is this not falling into what philosophers call the 'is-ought fallacy', that is, deriving an modal statement from a descriptive one, who defines marriage, etc.

Female and Male marriage is the natural thing because that is how it should be. Homosexuality is a sexual disorder

You're playing a game of ring around the rosy and all your arguments are falling down. How is Same-sex marriage any less natural than Different-Sex marriage without using the words 'disorderliness' and 'abnormality'?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

You are arguing in circles now, how is 'male-female marriage' natural laws, is this not falling into what philosophers call the 'is-ought fallacy', that is, deriving an modal statement from a descriptive one, who defines marriage, etc.

Female and Male marriage is the natural thing because that is how it should be. Homosexuality is a sexual disorder

What the fuck did you just say about me?

[The Flutterlands]

Female and Male marriage is the natural thing because that is how it should be. Homosexuality is a sexual disorder

What the fuck did you just say about me?

He's saying that you have a sexual disorder in the same way I have a mental disorder.

[Neu California]

Then why has it been observed among 15,000 species of animals?!

Because it is disorderliness and abnormality

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Then why has it been observed among 15,000 species of animals?!

Because it is disorderliness and abnormality

It is neither.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Female and Male marriage is the natural thing because that is how it should be. Homosexuality is a sexual disorder

You're playing a game of ring around the rosy and all your arguments are falling down. How is Same-sex marriage any less natural than Different-Sex marriage without using the words 'disorderliness' and 'abnormality'?

It's the opposite of orderliness and not normal.

[Diopolis]

Homosexuality is abnormality and disorderliness because they are logically contrary to the natural

Then why has it been observed among 15,000 species of animals?!

In the context of natural law, that's not what natural means. Natural in the context of natural law means a right that is simply right without need of justification.
In fairness, most people who argue natural law do a piss poor job of explaining that.

[The Flutterlands]

You're playing a game of ring around the rosy and all your arguments are falling down. How is Same-sex marriage any less natural than Different-Sex marriage without using the words 'disorderliness' and 'abnormality'?

It's the opposite of orderliness and not normal.

LOL. Good one.

[Diopolis]

Female and Male marriage is the natural thing because that is how it should be. Homosexuality is a sexual disorder

You're playing a game of ring around the rosy and all your arguments are falling down. How is Same-sex marriage any less natural than Different-Sex marriage without using the words 'disorderliness' and 'abnormality'?

SSM lacks the natural(in the sense of natural law) complementarity between male and female.