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Anglican church against gay marriage

Postby Novorobo » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:16 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35318392

So basically, against a tide of shifting public opinion, the Anglican church dug in their heels and reinforced their stance against gay marriage.

And you know what? I'm glad. Because the more the Anglican church fights the uphill battle against everybody else, the more people will leave. The more people leave the Anglican church, the more will either join the Catholic church or, better yet, abandon religion altogether, as either is an improvement on a wider variety of other issues.

Why can't "pro-gay Christians" accept that if the Bible is wrong on this one, it's moving the goalposts to defer to it on anything else?
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Postby Tafhan » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:19 pm

Huh. I thought they were alright with it or something. Oh well.
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Postby Tafhan » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:19 pm

Novorobo wrote:
Why can't "pro-gay Christians" accept that if the Bible is wrong on this one, it's moving the goalposts to defer to it on anything else?

...What?
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Postby New confederate ramenia » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:21 pm

The Anglican Church is against gay marriage? I actually didn't know that.
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Postby Xanama » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:26 pm

*Gathers molotovs, rainbow flags and my wife * Where are they?
Kidding, this doesn't surprise me, gays are mostly looked at as 'abomonations' and all that shit

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:31 pm

Can't beat a good schism.
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Postby Threlizdun » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:36 pm

As terrible as it is to see resistance to progress, it's hard not to appreciate the irony of a church that broke away from the Catholic Church largely over the issue of marriage may experience a schism over marriage.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:37 pm

I would have been disappointed but not surprised if they kept the anti-gay rights stance, but sanctioning the Episcopalian Church (the American branch) sounds like a bit much.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:48 pm

While I question the Anglican Church's actual commitment to the sanctity of marriage, I agree with their decision, as church-sanctioned SSM goes against established Christian doctrine on marriage.
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Postby Unnamed island state » Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:58 pm

Novorobo wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-35318392

So basically, against a tide of shifting public opinion, the Anglican church dug in their heels and reinforced their stance against gay marriage.

And you know what? I'm glad. Because the more the Anglican church fights the uphill battle against everybody else, the more people will leave. The more people leave the Anglican church, the more will either join the Catholic church or, better yet, abandon religion altogether, as either is an improvement on a wider variety of other issues.

Why can't "pro-gay Christians" accept that if the Bible is wrong on this one, it's moving the goalposts to defer to it on anything else?


You seem overly worked up about a Christian denomination having a pretty harmless view on the meaning of a concept.
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Postby Sun Lands » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:02 pm

I'm sorry, but you're upset that a CHURCH is against gay marriage? That's like being upset that a bee produces honey. So stop stating the fucking obvious!
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Postby Northern Freikur » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:04 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:While I question the Anglican Church's actual commitment to the sanctity of marriage, I agree with their decision, as church-sanctioned SSM goes against established Christian doctrine on marriage.


Yes.

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Postby Socialist Tera » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:05 pm

Oh well, they can be left behind and become a footnote in history.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:12 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:Oh well, they can be left behind and become a footnote in history.

If the people leaving a church are the people who take their religion's doctrine so nonchalantly that they are willing to abandon it because it doesn't fall in-line with secular liberal morality, then the Church clarifying its doctrine that has existed for nearly 2000 years isn't the reason behind people leaving.
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Postby Northern Freikur » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:17 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Oh well, they can be left behind and become a footnote in history.

If the people leaving a church are the people who take their religion's doctrine so nonchalantly that they are willing to abandon it because it doesn't fall in-line with secular liberal morality, then the Church clarifying its doctrine that has existed for nearly 2000 years isn't the reason behind people leaving.


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Postby Socialist Tera » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:18 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Oh well, they can be left behind and become a footnote in history.

If the people leaving a church are the people who take their religion's doctrine so nonchalantly that they are willing to abandon it because it doesn't fall in-line with secular liberal morality, then the Church clarifying its doctrine that has existed for nearly 2000 years isn't the reason behind people leaving.

I guess that could be the case but Mormons were forced to change their view on black people.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:20 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:If the people leaving a church are the people who take their religion's doctrine so nonchalantly that they are willing to abandon it because it doesn't fall in-line with secular liberal morality, then the Church clarifying its doctrine that has existed for nearly 2000 years isn't the reason behind people leaving.

I guess that could be the case but Mormons were forced to change their view on black people.

Mormonism is a bit of a special case, I was more referring to things that have been established doctrine since effectively the writing of the canonical gospels in the First Century.
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Postby Northern Freikur » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:20 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:If the people leaving a church are the people who take their religion's doctrine so nonchalantly that they are willing to abandon it because it doesn't fall in-line with secular liberal morality, then the Church clarifying its doctrine that has existed for nearly 2000 years isn't the reason behind people leaving.

I guess that could be the case but Mormons were forced to change their view on black people.


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Neither is a change in religious views forceable on a church.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:21 pm

Northern Freikur wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:I guess that could be the case but Mormons were forced to change their view on black people.


"Religion is not something which can be forced on a man"
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Neither is a change in religious views forceable on a church.

Actually it can be, and it has been. It's just frowned upon to force religion on people these days.
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Postby Northern Freikur » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:21 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:I guess that could be the case but Mormons were forced to change their view on black people.

Mormonism is a bit of a special case, I was more referring to things that have been established doctrine since effectively the writing of the canonical gospels in the First Century.


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Postby Socialist Tera » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:22 pm

Northern Freikur wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Mormonism is a bit of a special case, I was more referring to things that have been established doctrine since effectively the writing of the canonical gospels in the First Century.


Still Agree

We are unlikely to know what is or is not edited since the papacy has changed the bible multiple times.
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Postby Northern Freikur » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:26 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:
Northern Freikur wrote:
"Religion is not something which can be forced on a man"
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Neither is a change in religious views forceable on a church.

Actually it can be, and it has been. It's just frowned upon to force religion on people these days.


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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:26 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:
Northern Freikur wrote:
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We are unlikely to know what is or is not edited since the papacy has changed the bible multiple times.

Then it is a good thing the Papacy is not the sole arbiter of Christianity and that there are branches that have been separated from it for thousands of years and those that were never a part of it in the first place. Regardless, the Gospels which mention the subject agree that Christ defined marriage as between one man and one woman.
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Postby Northern Freikur » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:28 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:
Northern Freikur wrote:
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We are unlikely to know what is or is not edited since the papacy has changed the bible multiple times.


1 -POSSIBLE BLASPHEMY DETECTED-
2 I do not believe that God would allow such to happen to the CANNON.
3 Papal edits are contained within the catholic "Sacred Texts" (pagans...)
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Postby Zoo Trouble » Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:42 pm

Didn't know there were over a million Angelicans in the US.

Does anyone know what the Christians are called that reject the Pauline Epistles? I believe most of the marriage mumbo jumbo comes from Paul in the NEw Testament, but I could be wrong.
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