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Izistan
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Postby Izistan » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:35 pm

Hydesland wrote:
Izistan wrote:Its really life changing.


One voluntary association =/= communism. Further, voluntary associations have fuck all to do with the politics of nations like DPRK.


Hence the DRPK trip.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:35 pm

Izistan wrote:Go to Canada and join a volunteer work brigade. Cuba may be sliding into state-capitalism but you get a pretty good experience with a communist society on the ground.

Its really life changing.

Canada = Communist in the same way that the PRC = Communist
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Postby Neesika » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:35 pm

Izistan wrote:
Hydesland wrote:Albania under Hoxha was absolutely dreadful.


According to western sources. The same sources that would have you believe the DRPK is a dictatorship.

Actually I don't get any information about Albania from western sources. The west simply doesn't bother talking about Albania all that much. I doubt you could find many westerners who even know where Albania is.

Where I get my information on Albania is from Albanians now living in Canada, who like many other Albanians fled the awful economic conditions of their homeland and posed as Greeks in various countries throughout the EU, eventually making their way here. And all of them agree that Albania under Hoxha was absolutely dreadful. In fact, if you dare broach the subject, you yourself will be subject to hours of increasingly drunken lectures. They will go on and on about trying to get permits to buy refrigerators, about the constant fear of being put into work camps, or of having actually BEEN in such, etc etc. It's depressing beyond belief. I've yet to meet an Albanian who didn't so virulently hate communism that it borders on the obsessive, and to be honest, given the circumstances they've lived through, I can't really blame them, even though it makes them seem a little silly sometimes when they get all suspicious about 'socialist' programs here.

So no. My sources are Albanian.
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Postby South Lorenya » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:38 pm

Izistan wrote:
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New Manvir wrote:This guy is basically Andaras 2.0.

Andaras had the good sense to be a Stalinist, this guy is just someone who sees fit to fawn over anything vaguely communist.


Have you ever seen communism first hand? If you did, you would fight for it too.


Which part would you fight for the most -- the arbitary arrests, the one-candidate elections, or the substandard healthcare and education?
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Postby Zeppy » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:38 pm

Neesika wrote:
Izistan wrote:
Hydesland wrote:Albania under Hoxha was absolutely dreadful.


According to western sources. The same sources that would have you believe the DRPK is a dictatorship.

Actually I don't get any information about Albania from western sources. The west simply doesn't bother talking about Albania all that much. I doubt you could find many westerners who even know where Albania is.

Where I get my information on Albania is from Albanians now living in Canada, who like many other Albanians fled the awful economic conditions of their homeland and posed as Greeks in various countries throughout the EU, eventually making their way here. And all of them agree that Albania under Hoxha was absolutely dreadful. In fact, if you dare broach the subject, you yourself will be subject to hours of increasingly drunken lectures. They will go on and on about trying to get permits to buy refrigerators, about the constant fear of being put into work camps, or of having actually BEEN in such, etc etc. It's depressing beyond belief. I've yet to meet an Albanian who didn't so virulently hate communism that it borders on the obsessive, and to be honest, given the circumstances they've lived through, I can't really blame them, even though it makes them seem a little silly sometimes when they get all suspicious about 'socialist' programs here.

So no. My sources are Albanian.

From what Albanian Jews tell me, they hate Serbians with a bigger passion then communism.

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Postby Neesika » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:39 pm

Hydesland wrote:
Izistan wrote:Please don't equate being a furry with being a pedo. I really don't appreciate people bashing my sexuality.


That wasn't the point.

But it WAS hilarious.

So is he a communist furry or a communist pedo?

I don't think Hoxha would have approved of either.
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Postby South Lorenya » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:40 pm

Izistan wrote:
Hydesland wrote:Albania under Hoxha was absolutely dreadful.


According to western sources. The same sources that would have you believe the DRPK is a dictatorship.


Because it is -- or do you honestly think that their one-candidate elections and the communist party's iron-fisted control means it's a shining beacon of democracy?
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Postby Heinleinites » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:40 pm

Izistan wrote:Go to Canada and join a volunteer work brigade. Cuba may be sliding into state-capitalism but you get a pretty good experience with a communist society on the ground.Its really life changing.


See, I always knew Canada was run by Communists, with their state-sponsored igloos and pot-smoking beavers. (Which, by the way, clears up where the Russians got those hats) Although, to be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing a beaver smoke a doobie, that'd probably be pretty entertaining. I did see one smoke a cigar once, but that was in Tijuana.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:42 pm

Neesika wrote:But it WAS hilarious.

So is he a communist furry or a communist pedo?

I don't think Hoxha would have approved of either.

I don't know what 'diaper-fur' is, but judging from the way it sounds, he might be both.
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Izistan
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Postby Izistan » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:43 pm

Neesika wrote:
Izistan wrote:
Hydesland wrote:Albania under Hoxha was absolutely dreadful.


According to western sources. The same sources that would have you believe the DRPK is a dictatorship.

They will go on and on about trying to get permits to buy refrigerators...can't really blame them, even though it makes them seem a little silly sometimes when they get all suspicious about 'socialist' programs here.

So no. My sources are Albanian.


Albanians that fled the country in search of refrigerators and were responsible for the election of the CONservatives?

Pardon me if I trust my sources over yours. :roll:
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Postby Neesika » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:44 pm

Zeppy wrote:From what Albanian Jews tell me, they hate Serbians with a bigger passion then communism.

Ugh, that's another awful thing. I have a good friend who is a Serbian, lovely person, and another friend who married and Albanian. The Serb and the Albanian simply CANNOT get along. It's painful to watch. She's better at it than he is, for whatever reason, but he just can't get over it.

Besides, a people who have an expression of endearment that translates to "I'll eat your heart" sorta scare me.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:44 pm

Izistan wrote:Albanians that fled the country in search of refrigerators and were responsible for the election of the CONservatives?

Pardon me if I trust my sources over yours. :roll:

Pardon me if I trust reputable news sources over an anonymous internet poster.
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Postby Neesika » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:45 pm

Heinleinites wrote:
Izistan wrote:Go to Canada and join a volunteer work brigade. Cuba may be sliding into state-capitalism but you get a pretty good experience with a communist society on the ground.Its really life changing.


See, I always knew Canada was run by Communists, with their state-sponsored igloos and pot-smoking beavers. (Which, by the way, clears up where the Russians got those hats) Although, to be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing a beaver smoke a doobie, that'd probably be pretty entertaining. I did see one smoke a cigar once, but that was in Tijuana.

I...think he's saying come to Canada and join a work brigade that then goes to Cuba and does stuff. Not that Canada is communist.
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Postby Hydesland » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:46 pm

Izistan wrote:Pardon me if I trust my sources over yours. :roll:


Show me your sources.

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Postby Izistan » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:48 pm

Hydesland wrote:
Izistan wrote:Pardon me if I trust my sources over yours. :roll:


Show me your sources.


My father in law is Albanian and was a foreman in a refrigerator factory in the 1980's. He eventually got a Party position just as the Party fell from power.
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Postby Zeppy » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:48 pm

Neesika wrote:Besides, a people who have an expression of endearment that translates to "I'll eat your heart" sorta scare me.

I always liked "I'm a thief and I am here to steal your heart!" better then that one. :lol:

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Postby Neesika » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:49 pm

Izistan wrote:
Albanians that fled the country in search of refrigerators and were responsible for the election of the CONservatives?

Pardon me if I trust my sources over yours. :roll:

No, Albanians who fled their country because things are dirty and corrupt, who hate that Albania is so fucked up, yet who would also not want to return to the 'grand old years' of torture, forced labour, and a complete lack of civil and political rights.

I don't really care about your sources. When it comes to learning about places, I trust people who come from those places.

Then again, I'm not trying to win a debate here, so relying on anecdotal evidence on my side is fine. You, however, are making claims that need some backing up.
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Postby Hydesland » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:49 pm

Izistan wrote:My father in law is Albanian and was a foreman in a refrigerator factory in the 1980's. He eventually got a Party position just as the Party fell from power.


Is that all you have? You seriously think coming into a forum and saying "my Daddy says this" will make your position compelling?

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Postby Neesika » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:50 pm

Hydesland wrote:
Izistan wrote:My father in law is Albanian and was a foreman in a refrigerator factory in the 1980's. He eventually got a Party position just as the Party fell from power.


Is that all you have? You seriously think coming into a forum and saying "my Daddy says this" will make your position compelling?

In law.
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Postby Izistan » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:51 pm

Neesika wrote:
Izistan wrote:
Albanians that fled the country in search of refrigerators and were responsible for the election of the CONservatives?

Pardon me if I trust my sources over yours. :roll:

No, Albanians who fled their country because things are dirty and corrupt, who hate that Albania is so fucked up, yet who would also not want to return to the 'grand old years' of torture, forced labour, and a complete lack of civil and political rights.

I don't really care about your sources. When it comes to learning about places, I trust people who come from those places.


I am not reputable?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:52 pm

Izistan wrote:I am not reputable?

Not at all.
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Postby Neesika » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:52 pm

Izistan wrote:
I am not reputable?

How should I know?

It's fine to speak for yourself. However, you've gone and put words into other people's mouths, and have spoken on their behalf. I doubt you have the qualifications or the factual background to do so.
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Postby Izistan » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:53 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Izistan wrote:I am not reputable?

Not at all.


Wait about six months and get back to me on that.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:54 pm

Izistan wrote:Wait about six months and get back to me on that.

...

Why?
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Postby Izistan » Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:03 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Izistan wrote:Wait about six months and get back to me on that.

...

Why?


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