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Aarnonia
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Postby Aarnonia » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:17 am

Russia is a plutocracy

China is state capitalist

Vietnam is arguably more socialist than the others, however, it isn't very good either
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Postby Soviet Catalonia » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:19 am

Tokora wrote:The countries in question are Russia, China, and Vietnam. Since 1991 I've had no idea if Putin's spending those oil profits on anything other than guns, yachts, and golden toilet paper. China I honestly believe is a terrible excuse for a "Communist" country (Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky have probably been rolling since the great leap forward, let alone Deng's so called "reforms"). As for Vietnam, I really don't know, but I'd like to think the profits it gained from the capitalization the US enforced on it (because Reagan was both a corporatist yes man and a sore loser) were redistributed to the workers to fight poverty. Quit honestly for I know all three are run by soulless capitalists so please tell me how they're doing.



China and vietnam are - russia isn't
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:51 am

Soviet Catalonia wrote:
Tokora wrote:The countries in question are Russia, China, and Vietnam. Since 1991 I've had no idea if Putin's spending those oil profits on anything other than guns, yachts, and golden toilet paper. China I honestly believe is a terrible excuse for a "Communist" country (Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky have probably been rolling since the great leap forward, let alone Deng's so called "reforms"). As for Vietnam, I really don't know, but I'd like to think the profits it gained from the capitalization the US enforced on it (because Reagan was both a corporatist yes man and a sore loser) were redistributed to the workers to fight poverty. Quit honestly for I know all three are run by soulless capitalists so please tell me how they're doing.



China and vietnam are - russia isn't

China and Vietnam are currently booming markets heavily involved in global capitalism.

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Postby Flemonia » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:54 am

Russia - no way

China - Still Communist

Vietnam - Still Communist
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:55 am

Flemonia wrote:Russia - no way

China - Still Communist

Vietnam - Still Communist

Merizoc wrote:
Soviet Catalonia wrote:

China and vietnam are - russia isn't

China and Vietnam are currently booming markets heavily involved in global capitalism.

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Postby Flemonia » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:56 am

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Postby Val Halla » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:57 am

Flemonia wrote:Russia - no way

China - Still Communist

Vietnam - Still Communist

I guess the iPhone made by a sweatshop worker is of communist design
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:57 am

Flemonia wrote:(Image)
Chinese National People's Congress Partisan Makeup.

And? It's a widely accepted fact that the CPC is only nominally communist. Names mean little.

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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:58 am

Val Halla wrote:
Flemonia wrote:Russia - no way

China - Still Communist

Vietnam - Still Communist

I guess the iPhone made by a sweatshop worker is of communist design

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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:58 am

Merizoc wrote:
Flemonia wrote:(Image)
Chinese National People's Congress Partisan Makeup.

And? It's a widely accepted fact that the CPC is only nominally communist. Names mean little.

Correct. Has not been socialist since Mao's death.
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Postby Spagna » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:59 am

Flemonia wrote:Russia - no way

China - Still Communist

Vietnam - Still Communist

Communism would imply that the state doesn't actually exist, since that's the goal of Socialism in the long run, to create a stateless society, both Vietnam and China are states, so they're obviously not Communist.

Plus, China and Vietnam have been state Capitalist, China since the reforms of Deng and Vietnam since the Doi Moi's introduction of a market economy.
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Postby Aarnonia » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:59 am

Flemonia wrote:(Image)
Chinese National People's Congress Partisan Makeup.

The Chinese communist party is about as left as New Labour. Maybe even worse.
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Postby Teutonic Terror » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:02 am

The Felnian Colonies wrote:"We are the Capitalist. Lower your tariffs and surrender your economic policies. We will add your cultural and societal distinctiveness to our own. Your people will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

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Postby Liriena » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:03 am

Nations? I don't think so. But I do think there are some small communities out there that could be considered socialist.
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Postby Flemonia » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:06 am

Merizoc wrote:
Flemonia wrote:(Image)
Chinese National People's Congress Partisan Makeup.

And? It's a widely accepted fact that the CPC is only nominally communist. Names mean little.

Like how Caitlyn Jenner is nominally a Woman. I say that to show the hypocrisy of the left in insisting that Jenner is a woman and we must call her so simply because she wants us too; whilst the Communist Party of China isn't really Communist even if they claim otherwise.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:15 am

Flemonia wrote:Like how Caitlyn Jenner is nominally a Woman.

Ewwwwwwwwww

Disregarding how fallacious you're being, that's just despicable. Shame on you.
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Postby White European States » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:17 am

Ya.

North Korea-A big example of Socialist Freedom!

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Postby Liriena » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:19 am

White European States wrote:Ya.

North Korea-A big example of Socialist Freedom!

North Korea is not a socialist nation. It's a totalitarian, partially theocratic regime, with a president who has been dead for many years, all in the name of an ideology that has little to do with Marxism-Leninism, and nothing at all with traditional forms of socialism.
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Postby Spagna » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:22 am

Flemonia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:And? It's a widely accepted fact that the CPC is only nominally communist. Names mean little.

Like how Caitlyn Jenner is nominally a Woman. I say that to show the hypocrisy of the left in insisting that Jenner is a woman and we must call her so simply because she wants us too; whilst the Communist Party of China isn't really Communist even if they claim otherwise.

We can prove and show that the CPC isn't Communist based on their policies and ideological choices the party makes, the CPC, by making pro-market State Capitalist choices, we can see that they are not Socialistic.

Jenner is Transgender, and identifies as a woman, the difference between her supposedly lying about her identity (which she isn't) and the CPC lying about their political ideology is that we can see for a fact that the CPC is not Socialistic because of their policies they have introduced in China, and the path they've pushed China towards.
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Postby Val Halla » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:24 am

Liriena wrote:
White European States wrote:Ya.

North Korea-A big example of Socialist Freedom!

North Korea is not a socialist nation. It's a totalitarian, partially theocratic regime, with a president who has been dead for many years, all in the name of an ideology that has little to do with Marxism-Leninism, and nothing at all with traditional forms of socialism.

Have you ever seen what NK describes as Juche? Absolute nonsense
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Postby Liriena » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:26 am

Val Halla wrote:
Liriena wrote:North Korea is not a socialist nation. It's a totalitarian, partially theocratic regime, with a president who has been dead for many years, all in the name of an ideology that has little to do with Marxism-Leninism, and nothing at all with traditional forms of socialism.

Have you ever seen what NK describes as Juche? Absolute nonsense

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Postby Jochistan » Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:40 pm

Flemonia wrote:Russia - no way

China - Still Communist

Vietnam - Still Communist

I don't know much about how vietnam's economy works. But China isn't close to being Socialist.
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:24 pm

Flemonia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:And? It's a widely accepted fact that the CPC is only nominally communist. Names mean little.

Like how Caitlyn Jenner is nominally a Woman. I say that to show the hypocrisy of the left in insisting that Jenner is a woman and we must call her so simply because she wants us too; whilst the Communist Party of China isn't really Communist even if they claim otherwise.

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Postby Seraven » Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:50 am

Greater Mackonia wrote:Yes, the United States of America, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Norway, That other place, Denmark, the Benelux...

Socialism is simply the running of industries or services by or for "society", an idea which has been absorbed into most modern first world nations.


I don't know, I mean USA is less supportive to socialism than France and Canada.
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Postby Cabana » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:16 am

Isn't Laos socialist?
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