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Why Isn't Obama Diplomatically Supporting People of Iran?

Postby Kalakda » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:08 pm

Why isn't the President of the United States standing up against the dictatorship of Iran for its human rights abuses? Is he afraid that Iran might retaliate against him, or something? I mean, I respect that, for Iran has the potential to launch an offensive against the troops in Iraq or Afghanistan, close the Strait of Hormuz, stop the flow of oil to the United States (Much like how the Arab World did during the 1979 oil crisis), or worse yet, send terrorists to attack American soil. But, if that means standing for the plight of the Iranian people, then it would be worth the risk. So, NSG, should Obama stand for the Iranian people's struggle against the oppressive theocracy in Iran, and express outrage at the fact that the Iranian government is trying to stamp out the protesters, and try to put pressure against Iran, its human rights abuses, and its nuclear project, instead of placing sanctions that have no effect against Iran?
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:12 pm

Kalakda wrote:Why isn't the President of the United States standing up against the dictatorship of Iran for its human rights abuses? Is he afraid that Iran might retaliate against him, or something? I mean, I respect that, for Iran has the potential to launch an offensive against the troops in Iraq or Afghanistan, close the Strait of Hormuz, stop the flow of oil to the United States (Much like how the Arab World did during the 1979 oil crisis), or worse yet, send terrorists to attack American soil. But, if that means standing for the plight of the Iranian people, then it would be worth the risk. So, NSG, should Obama stand for the Iranian people's struggle against the oppressive theocracy in Iran, and express outrage at the fact that the Iranian government is trying to stamp out the protesters, and try to put pressure against Iran, its human rights abuses, and its nuclear project, instead of placing sanctions that have no effect against Iran?

Why should Iran's internal affairs be the concern of the U.S.?
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:12 pm

No, even the hint of American involvement will see these protest crushed.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:13 pm

Dyakovo wrote:Why should Iran's internal affairs be the concern of the U.S.?

Because some people like to think that we're the World's SWAT team?
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Postby Kalakda » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:14 pm

Because it is a totalitarian state, that's why, and there's many people around the world horrified by Iran and its atrocities.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:14 pm

Because our allies, the Saudis, are much worse? What you do you want, Mr. Wilson, Team America?
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Postby Angleter » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:14 pm

He can't, because then Hadyourdinneryet will have a great piece of ammunition to use against the protesters- just imagine it:

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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:14 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Why should Iran's internal affairs be the concern of the U.S.?

Because some people like to think that we're the World's SWAT team?

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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:16 pm

Kalakda wrote:Because it is a totalitarian state, that's why

And?
Kalakda wrote:and there's many people around the world horrified by Iran and its atrocities.

Let them do something about it then.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:16 pm

I beat you to the reference. :D
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Postby Kalakda » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:16 pm

Yeah, Team America beat the snot out of Kim Jong-Il, maybe we should have a RL Team America, cause they might be able to beat the crap out of dictators.
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Postby Gift-of-god » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:16 pm

In the real world, the people who put together US foreign policy ask themselves one question:

What's in it for wealthy USians?

(They probably word it differently.)
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:17 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:I beat you to the reference. :D

And 900 beat you to it, although his was a bit more oblique...
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:17 pm

RL life TA has spent nearly a decade in Afghanistan, and seven years in Iraq.
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Postby Kalakda » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:18 pm

Well, because Iran is an oppressive theocracy that stones women simply for being with men they aren't married to. But maybe we wouldn't have such a noose around our necks if we drilled for domestic oil.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:18 pm

Gift-of-god wrote:In the real world, the people who put together US foreign policy ask themselves one question:

What's in it for wealthy USians?

(They probably word it differently.)

"What will get me re-elected so I can continue taking bribes and spouting my xenophobic worldview?" Would be closer.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:18 pm

Dyakovo wrote:And 900 beat you to it, although his was a bit more oblique...


True.
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Postby Lord Tothe » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:20 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Kalakda wrote:Why isn't the President of the United States standing up against the dictatorship of Iran for its human rights abuses? Is he afraid that Iran might retaliate against him, or something? I mean, I respect that, for Iran has the potential to launch an offensive against the troops in Iraq or Afghanistan, close the Strait of Hormuz, stop the flow of oil to the United States (Much like how the Arab World did during the 1979 oil crisis), or worse yet, send terrorists to attack American soil. But, if that means standing for the plight of the Iranian people, then it would be worth the risk. So, NSG, should Obama stand for the Iranian people's struggle against the oppressive theocracy in Iran, and express outrage at the fact that the Iranian government is trying to stamp out the protesters, and try to put pressure against Iran, its human rights abuses, and its nuclear project, instead of placing sanctions that have no effect against Iran?

Why should Iran's internal affairs be the concern of the U.S.?

^ This. Time for an non-interventionist foreign policy. Let's see Obama earn that peace Prize he got by at least not starting more wars.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:21 pm

Kalakda wrote:Well, because Iran is an oppressive theocracy that stones women simply for being with men they aren't married to. But maybe we wouldn't have such a noose around our necks if we drilled for domestic oil.


We're already in two fucking wars that require us to spend more money on the military than the rest of the world combined does.

I'm sure that if Iranians organized a rebellion, we'd fund them, but let's not try to pull another Vietnam, here, where we want to save a people more than they want to be saved.
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Postby Kalakda » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:21 pm

Well, drilling for oil on our own soil would loosen the rope around America's necks, and tighten the one around the Arab World's necks, because they use the money we pay for oil to purchase nukes, train terrorists, and other stuff. If we are tough against them, they'll back down, but if we don't do anything, they'll see us as weak and vulnerable, and will try to attack us. So, this is a case "You're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't" situation, and personally I prefer "Damned if you do".
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Postby Crabulonia » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:22 pm

An oppressive totalitarian theocracy.

Wasn't America under Bush two out of the three?

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:22 pm

"Not do anything"? What happened to two wars?
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:22 pm

Because this is something the Iranian people have to do themselves. Unless they can gather the force they need to overthrow the government BY THEMSELVES, US interference will only make the situation worse.

If they overthrow the current Iranian administration and establish their own, stable, government, AND ask for our help, then I say, yeah, go in and help them. We can cruise missile the shit out of the mullahs in whatever mountain bunkers they decide to hide in. And we MIGHT actually get THANKED for it this time.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:22 pm

Lord Tothe wrote:^ This. Time for an non-interventionist foreign policy. Let's see Obama earn that peace Prize he got by at least not starting more wars.

I wonder if a Nobel Peace Prize can be revoked...
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Postby Kalakda » Thu Feb 11, 2010 1:23 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Kalakda wrote:Well, because Iran is an oppressive theocracy that stones women simply for being with men they aren't married to. But maybe we wouldn't have such a noose around our necks if we drilled for domestic oil.


We're already in two fucking wars that require us to spend more money on the military than the rest of the world combined does.

I'm sure that if Iranians organized a rebellion, we'd fund them, but let's not try to pull another Vietnam, here, where we want to save a people more than they want to be saved.



I'm not saying we should get involved militarily, but rather diplomatically, and yes, providing funds for Iranian rebels is a good idea, it worked for Afghanistan during the Soviet Invasion, it could work now.
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