Personal Boycott of Hollywood Military Films

[Vassenor]

Portraying him as some kind of man without sin or saint comes to mind.

What does Bollywood and Russian cinema have to do with Hollywood, as clearly outlined in the title?

i'm saying that those countries have movies from their perspective and hollywood generally has movies from an american perspective. why isn't the poster demanding a boycott of those?

And when was the last time a Russian or Indian film played at your local cinema?

[Israeli Defense Force]

"Emperor" and "The Three Kings" immediately come to mind for the saluting thing.

Can you refresh my memory and tell me the nationality of the troops the Americans don't salute? They're not Japanese and Iraqi, right?

this article was published on lack of accuracy in uniforms alone. Dale Dye makes a good poitn about how wardrobe is often delegated to get it right but doesn't know what they're doing without a military adviser.

You're not boycotting films because Hollywood has soldiers roll up their sleeves, are you? I mean this is silly, they're popcorn flicks not war documentaries.

It isn't quite like what you are thinking most likely, if you are referring to Raseiniai. It was an incident in part of a larger battle, and the tank was a KV. Not a Sherman. The Germans did not have good enough firepower to penetrate it with what they had which led to the impasse. More over, the German;s did not send human wave after human wave in a frontal assault on one tank only for them all to somehow die either. The tank destroyed important equipment like guns and disabled communications more than anything, which led to the hold up by blocking the road.

I feel like you didn't even read my post since you mention things I mentioned as mitigating anyway.
In any case, the point stands that a tank can be powerful roadblock, even in a mediocre movie. Plus, this is the SS we're talking about. Only Neo-Nazi morons think the SS was all elite vets. Most of them were Hollywood combat-tier fanatics and idiots that had a higher than average casualty ratio because they had a tendency to stick their dicks in the grinder.

Frankly I'd have been more surprised in their frontal assault if it had been the regular German army.

[Rhyfelnydd]

Portraying him as some kind of man without sin or saint comes to mind.

lots of movies about martin luther king or lincoln come to mind...
but clint didn't do that with chris. he was shown as being remorseful and implied he didn't support the war...i thought it was a good movie but chris didn't do any of that shit.

Yes because a Soldier who killed people in a war is...comparable to a leading civil rights leader and arguably one of the best presidents of all time. Not saying that portraying them as saints and all is somehow okay, just not sure where the hell you are getting at.

Notice they didn't mention anything about him calling Iraqis "savages" and noting how much he hates them, saying he enjoyed the killing. Nor did they bring up his comment about him "not giving a flying fuck about the Iraqis", as he writes in his autobiography. How convenient. Honestly, would have made a much better and more dynamic movie to show both the good and bad sides of him, instead of the propaganda movie filled with convenient omissions that we got.

[Israeli Defense Force]

Haha do bollywood films always take special care to include american achievments? What about russian movies?

What does Bollywood and Russian cinema have to do with Hollywood, as clearly outlined in the title?

Geez, it's painfully obvious. The OP is complaining about American exceptionalism in Hollywood, an American film institution located in America. So the guy you're talking to is comparing it to complaining about Bollywood or Russia's mafia-ridden parallel. Of course no one cares about them since even though American exceptionalism seems bad, so many people seem exceptionally pleased to focus on America.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

What does Bollywood and Russian cinema have to do with Hollywood, as clearly outlined in the title?

Geez, it's painfully obvious. The OP is complaining about American exceptionalism in Hollywood, an American film institution located in America. So the guy you're talking to is comparing it to complaining about Bollywood or Russia's mafia-ridden parallel. Of course no one cares about them since even though American exceptionalism seems bad, so many people seem exceptionally pleased to focus on America.

Does anyone here actually watches Indian or Russian movies?

[Israeli Defense Force]

Geez, it's painfully obvious. The OP is complaining about American exceptionalism in Hollywood, an American film institution located in America. So the guy you're talking to is comparing it to complaining about Bollywood or Russia's mafia-ridden parallel. Of course no one cares about them since even though American exceptionalism seems bad, so many people seem exceptionally pleased to focus on America.

Does anyone here actually watches Indian or Russian movies?

Russian, yes.

Maybe if more people diversified their film experience, then Hollywood would feel pressured to make a wider selection of film types. But hey, Bollywood, amirite?

[Rhyfelnydd]

"Emperor" and "The Three Kings" immediately come to mind for the saluting thing.

Can you refresh my memory and tell me the nationality of the troops the Americans don't salute? They're not Japanese and Iraqi, right?

this article was published on lack of accuracy in uniforms alone. Dale Dye makes a good poitn about how wardrobe is often delegated to get it right but doesn't know what they're doing without a military adviser.

You're not boycotting films because Hollywood has soldiers roll up their sleeves, are you? I mean this is silly, they're popcorn flicks not war documentaries.

It isn't quite like what you are thinking most likely, if you are referring to Raseiniai. It was an incident in part of a larger battle, and the tank was a KV. Not a Sherman. The Germans did not have good enough firepower to penetrate it with what they had which led to the impasse. More over, the German;s did not send human wave after human wave in a frontal assault on one tank only for them all to somehow die either. The tank destroyed important equipment like guns and disabled communications more than anything, which led to the hold up by blocking the road.

I feel like you didn't even read my post since you mention things I mentioned as mitigating anyway.
In any case, the point stands that a tank can be powerful roadblock, even in a mediocre movie. Plus, this is the SS we're talking about. Only Neo-Nazi morons think the SS was all elite vets. Most of them were Hollywood combat-tier fanatics and idiots that had a higher than average casualty ratio because they had a tendency to stick their dicks in the grinder.

Frankly I'd have been more surprised in their frontal assault if it had been the regular German army.

Yes it can. If it is the right tank, and certainly not a piddley little Sherman of all things. Why could the movie not be about the actual KV tank? American cinema has had actual soviet protagonists before in things like Enemy at the Gates, so I fail to see why it was changed to Americans. Good thing I did not say absolutely all SS divisions were elite units then, right? Indeed many (Dirlewanger, Azeri units, Russische nr. 2 in particular) were pathetic excuses for military units, but others were indeed more elite units.

BUt in the end it is just some shitty war movie. Still, makes me sad when you look back on older movies that were far better. Guess they weren't all 100% accurate either, but I'm not exactly expecting them to be.

[Rhyfelnydd]

Geez, it's painfully obvious. The OP is complaining about American exceptionalism in Hollywood, an American film institution located in America. So the guy you're talking to is comparing it to complaining about Bollywood or Russia's mafia-ridden parallel. Of course no one cares about them since even though American exceptionalism seems bad, so many people seem exceptionally pleased to focus on America.

Does anyone here actually watches Indian or Russian movies?

South Korean movies are more my thing.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah alot of American war movies produced by hollywood, be it set in a fictional setting, a modern setting or a historical one (or a combination) tend to be ridiculous and full of extreme showboating and bravado. If you want to boycot it go ahead, dont see why not, but unless its done on mass nothing much is really going to change and people just go and watch them anyway, even if they are shit, ala Michael Bay's America Fuck yeah movies.

But that happens with movies from pretty much every country i bet, maybe the feeling is just more with American movies due to their dominance, i know it is with me, i often find foreign war movies more enjoyable. But i know some of them i watched are blatant propaganda.

You mean like in Fury where all the American tanks are destroyed and they lose the fight in the end and everyone but the rookie die? That invincibility?

The fact one tank crew holds against pretty much an entire, if I remember right, armored brigade (of the SS no less) is pretty overblown and American brovado-chestbeating-esque

Not armoured, infantry with some halftracks and trucks (i think only one halftrack from what i remember) and a few handheld AT weapons. And it was not a brigade, way too small, It was at most 100-200 soldiers, maybe less so a company or there abouts.

Also i enjoyed Fury over all, it has its "Murica" moments, but no where near as much as some other movies and actually shows more of the "war is fucking tragic and disturbing" aspect that those movies tend to.

[Israeli Defense Force]

Yes it can. If it is the right tank, and certainly not a piddley little Sherman of all things. Why could the movie not be about the actual KV tank? American cinema has had actual soviet protagonists before in things like Enemy at the Gates, so I fail to see why it was changed to Americans. Good thing I did not say absolutely all SS divisions were elite units then, right? Indeed many (Dirlewanger, Azeri units, Russische nr. 2 in particular) were pathetic excuses for military units, but others were indeed more elite units.

BUt in the end it is just some shitty war movie. Still, makes me sad when you look back on older movies that were far better. Guess they weren't all 100% accurate either, but I'm not exactly expecting them to be.

Piddley? lol funny to think it's the tank that saved the UK in retrospect. Maybe that's what that scene was meant to represent. American industry symbolically saving an emasculated British empire. And Enemy at the Gates? The movie about the British Soviet Union? That should be on the list of bad movies not to emulate.

Good thing I did not say absolutely all SS divisions were elite units then, right?

Then don't complain when they don't act like you want them to. You're not going to find the A-Team in Nowhereburg, Germany in April 1945.

Like I said, it wasn't a good movie. But my original point holds.

[Rhyfelnydd]

Yeah alot of American war movies produced by hollywood, be it set in a fictional setting, a modern setting or a historical one (or a combination) tend to be ridiculous and full of extreme showboating and bravado. If you want to boycot it go ahead, dont see why not, but unless its done on mass nothing much is really going to change and people just go and watch them anyway, even if they are shit, ala Michael Bay's America Fuck yeah movies.

The fact one tank crew holds against pretty much an entire, if I remember right, armored brigade (of the SS no less) is pretty overblown and American brovado-chestbeating-esque

Not armoured, infantry with some halftracks and a few handheld AT weapons. And it was not a brigade, way too small, It was at most 100-200 soldiers, maybe less so a company or there abouts.

Also i enjoyed Fury over all, it has its "Murica" moments, but no where near as much as some other movies and actually shows more of the "war is fucking tragic and disturbing" aspect that those movies tend to.

Ah it's been a while since I've seen it I couldn't remember.

Check out movies like The Front Line or My Way if you want the fucking tragic and disturbing aspect to be there, believe me.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah alot of American war movies produced by hollywood, be it set in a fictional setting, a modern setting or a historical one (or a combination) tend to be ridiculous and full of extreme showboating and bravado. If you want to boycot it go ahead, dont see why not, but unless its done on mass nothing much is really going to change and people just go and watch them anyway, even if they are shit, ala Michael Bay's America Fuck yeah movies.


Not armoured, infantry with some halftracks and a few handheld AT weapons. And it was not a brigade, way too small, It was at most 100-200 soldiers, maybe less so a company or there abouts.

Also i enjoyed Fury over all, it has its "Murica" moments, but no where near as much as some other movies and actually shows more of the "war is fucking tragic and disturbing" aspect that those movies tend to.

Ah it's been a while since I've seen it I couldn't remember.

Check out movies like The Front Line or My Way if you want the fucking tragic and disturbing aspect to be there, believe me.

I think ive see My Way, cant really remember though but the name is familiar.

[The Alexanderians]

Good for you? Do what you feel like OP we can't stop you. But I wonder what the point of mentioning it here is. It comes across as egotistical that you feel that we need to know how your personal grievances with Hollywood is going. I mean you could spin it with a strong discussion point but it kind of just feels like whining,

[Rio Cana]

You do know that in the end people make movies to produce a profit. Movie Flops doe not pay the bills. The only way you might get a War movie that does not overdo it is an Independently made war movie. Some independently made movies are first into making a good realistic movie and second into profit.

[The Alexanderians]

You do know that in the end people make movies to produce a profit. Movie Flops doe not pay the bills. The only way you might get a War movie that does not overdo it is an Independently made war movie. Some independently made movies are first into making a good realistic movie and second into profit.

Saints and Soldiers was a decent one that wasn't an overblown action/military film

[Rhyfelnydd]

Yes it can. If it is the right tank, and certainly not a piddley little Sherman of all things. Why could the movie not be about the actual KV tank? American cinema has had actual soviet protagonists before in things like Enemy at the Gates, so I fail to see why it was changed to Americans. Good thing I did not say absolutely all SS divisions were elite units then, right? Indeed many (Dirlewanger, Azeri units, Russische nr. 2 in particular) were pathetic excuses for military units, but others were indeed more elite units.

BUt in the end it is just some shitty war movie. Still, makes me sad when you look back on older movies that were far better. Guess they weren't all 100% accurate either, but I'm not exactly expecting them to be.

Piddley? lol funny to think it's the tank that saved the UK in retrospect. Maybe that's what that scene was meant to represent. American industry symbolically saving an emasculated British empire. And Enemy at the Gates? The movie about the British Soviet Union? That should be on the list of bad movies not to emulate.

Good thing I did not say absolutely all SS divisions were elite units then, right?

Then don't complain when they don't act like you want them to. You're not going to find the A-Team in Nowhereburg, Germany in April 1945.

Like I said, it wasn't a good movie. But my original point holds.

Again...never said it was a good movie . At all. I used it as an example that American distributors have used Soviet war history and kept Soviet characters in the past, so I do not see why they couldn't do the same here. And yes, piddley. The Sherman (well, early models anyway, later models less so) were completely outmatched by Tiger I and Panther tanks. Maybe it saved it by it's ability to be mass produced and thus overwhelm, but it certainly was not a superior tank in any way.

You would actually. At least it would not be an impossibility. Some SS units tended to be the last to surrender and still maintain morale and discipline.

[Rhyfelnydd]

Ah it's been a while since I've seen it I couldn't remember.

Check out movies like The Front Line or My Way if you want the fucking tragic and disturbing aspect to be there, believe me.

I think ive see My Way, cant really remember though but the name is familiar.

The one about the Korean guy that ended up serving in the Imperial Japanese Army, Soviet Army, and Wehrmacht all during WWII, and ended up at Normandy by the end. I would say it is a fair sight less tragic and disturbing than the The Front Line though. There was some Russian movie I saw not too long ago that was pretty good too, The Ninth Unit or something like that?

[The Huskar Social Union]

I think ive see My Way, cant really remember though but the name is familiar.

The one about the Korean guy that ended up serving in the Imperial Japanese Army, Soviet Army, and Wehrmacht all during WWII, and ended up at Normandy by the end. I would say it is a fair sight less tragic and disturbing than the The Front Line though. There was some Russian movie I saw not too long ago that was pretty good too, The Ninth Unit or something like that?

Ah now i know it, well ive not seen the film but ive read about that man, some story he went through.

And i think its the Ninth platoon, not sure, but its set in the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan i believe, meant to be quite good but ive not seen it myself.

Last war moving i watched, was this morning with The Thin Red Line, one of my favourite war movies and definitely a break from the traditional hollywood war movies. Its a sad film, especially towards the end.

[Quokkastan]

War movies are fine. Not sure why historical accuracy is important in movies. Movies have no obligation to be historically accurate.

That said, many war movies (such as Fury) are fairly ridiculous and the propaganda of the invincible American can get on my nerve a bit.

Isn't that the movie where three American tanks try to take on one German tank, and barely manage to pull out a win with 2/3 losses?

[New Edom]

"Emperor" and "The Three Kings" immediately come to mind for the saluting thing.

Can you refresh my memory and tell me the nationality of the troops the Americans don't salute? They're not Japanese and Iraqi, right?

this article was published on lack of accuracy in uniforms alone. Dale Dye makes a good poitn about how wardrobe is often delegated to get it right but doesn't know what they're doing without a military adviser.

You're not boycotting films because Hollywood has soldiers roll up their sleeves, are you? I mean this is silly, they're popcorn flicks not war documentaries.

It isn't quite like what you are thinking most likely, if you are referring to Raseiniai. It was an incident in part of a larger battle, and the tank was a KV. Not a Sherman. The Germans did not have good enough firepower to penetrate it with what they had which led to the impasse. More over, the German;s did not send human wave after human wave in a frontal assault on one tank only for them all to somehow die either. The tank destroyed important equipment like guns and disabled communications more than anything, which led to the hold up by blocking the road.

I feel like you didn't even read my post since you mention things I mentioned as mitigating anyway.
In any case, the point stands that a tank can be powerful roadblock, even in a mediocre movie. Plus, this is the SS we're talking about. Only Neo-Nazi morons think the SS was all elite vets. Most of them were Hollywood combat-tier fanatics and idiots that had a higher than average casualty ratio because they had a tendency to stick their dicks in the grinder.

Frankly I'd have been more surprised in their frontal assault if it had been the regular German army.

First: yeah they're Japanese and Iraqi. So what? It's a courtesy.

And I don't agree with the 'it's just a movie' argument. It's one thing if a movie is done like "Army of Darkness' or "Kelly's Heroes' or something where it's tongue in cheek, even to be funny or take the piss out of something. I'm fine with that. What irritats me is when the movie presented as being very serious and to be depicting something in a historical manner. Furthermore, it is also not in my opinion right to have a general approach and weight of opinion that encourages on a general basis an inaccurate view of history.

So they can make the films all they want to--I just wont' be watching them.

[The Huskar Social Union]

War movies are fine. Not sure why historical accuracy is important in movies. Movies have no obligation to be historically accurate.

That said, many war movies (such as Fury) are fairly ridiculous and the propaganda of the invincible American can get on my nerve a bit.

Isn't that the movie where three American tanks try to take on one German tank, and barely manage to pull out a win with 2/3 losses?

Four, well three did the actual fighting.. one got blown up by the Tiger at the very start of the battle then two were killed advancing across the field.

[Rhyfelnydd]

The one about the Korean guy that ended up serving in the Imperial Japanese Army, Soviet Army, and Wehrmacht all during WWII, and ended up at Normandy by the end. I would say it is a fair sight less tragic and disturbing than the The Front Line though. There was some Russian movie I saw not too long ago that was pretty good too, The Ninth Unit or something like that?

Ah now i know it, well ive not seen the film but ive read about that man, some story he went through.

And i think its the Ninth platoon, not sure, but its set in the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan i believe, meant to be quite good but ive not seen it myself.

Last war moving i watched, was this morning with The Thin Red Line, one of my favourite war movies and definitely a break from the traditional hollywood war movies. Its a sad film, especially towards the end.

Ninth Platoon or Ninth Company, one of those, but yeah that is the gist. It's worth checking out. Taegukgi is a great one as well.

I've never seen Thin Red Line, is that the one by Terrence Malick?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ah now i know it, well ive not seen the film but ive read about that man, some story he went through.

And i think its the Ninth platoon, not sure, but its set in the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan i believe, meant to be quite good but ive not seen it myself.

Last war moving i watched, was this morning with The Thin Red Line, one of my favourite war movies and definitely a break from the traditional hollywood war movies. Its a sad film, especially towards the end.

Ninth Platoon or Ninth Company, one of those, but yeah that is the gist. It's worth checking out. Taegukgi is a great one as well.

I've never seen Thin Red Line, is that the one by Terrence Malick?

Ive seen that Korean movie, it is my favourite war film of all time, so well made and i still get teared upat the end of it years later.

And yes that is the one, set in Guadalcanal iirc.

[New Edom]

Ah now i know it, well ive not seen the film but ive read about that man, some story he went through.

And i think its the Ninth platoon, not sure, but its set in the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan i believe, meant to be quite good but ive not seen it myself.

Last war moving i watched, was this morning with The Thin Red Line, one of my favourite war movies and definitely a break from the traditional hollywood war movies. Its a sad film, especially towards the end.

Ninth Platoon or Ninth Company, one of those, but yeah that is the gist. It's worth checking out. Taegukgi is a great one as well.

I've never seen Thin Red Line, is that the one by Terrence Malick?

9 Rota or 9th Company is what the film is called. It's really good. And yeah Terence Malick did "Thin Red Line".

[Rhyfelnydd]

Ninth Platoon or Ninth Company, one of those, but yeah that is the gist. It's worth checking out. Taegukgi is a great one as well.

I've never seen Thin Red Line, is that the one by Terrence Malick?

Ive seen that Korean movie, it is my favourite war film of all time, so well made and i still get teared upat the end of it years later.

And yes that is the one, set in Guadalcanal iirc.

Its definetly up there for me, but just how the front portrays the war almost objectively is what i enjoy about it, like just how shitty the situation was in...53 i think? And how it doesnt really villify the North all that much.

Flu still has the ending that makes me cry everytime. Not really a war movie but still.