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Postby Teemant » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:57 am

Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
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The last time there was such massed, organized violence was back in '38, if I'm not wrong. Hasn't it occurred to you that these are, far from being headline news, underreported?


That's entirely speculative on your part.

Murovanka wrote:Why is it that only a week after such incidents we hear about it? Why is the government constantly playing down the attacks, playing down numbers as if giving war casualty figures, playing down their importance?


We're hearing about this case and others now because thanks to the events in Cologne there's incentive on the part of journalists to seek out these cases to capitalize on the outrage. You see it all the time in other circumstances - school shootings in the US, terrorist attacks, even sex scandals.


So are you trying to say that victims should keep quiet because of Cologne events?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:59 am

Teemant wrote:
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That's entirely speculative on your part.



We're hearing about this case and others now because thanks to the events in Cologne there's incentive on the part of journalists to seek out these cases to capitalize on the outrage. You see it all the time in other circumstances - school shootings in the US, terrorist attacks, even sex scandals.


So are you trying to say that victims should keep quiet because of Cologne events?


Where are you getting that idea from?
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Postby Teemant » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:00 am

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So are you trying to say that victims should keep quiet because of Cologne events?


Where are you getting that idea from?


From his post.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:01 am

Teemant wrote:
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Where are you getting that idea from?


From his post.


And what part of his post is suggesting what you are claiming it does?
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Postby Remonetise » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:02 am

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:More of the point that I was making was it was the cultural practices of the Middle East with it's extensive patriarchy and limited value of women that created these trends in the first place. The refugee part isn't the point, it was about Middle Eastern immigrants and the problems they're causing and having. I'll pull some reports, but I'll tg them to you, as I'm about to leave.

Sounds good. But I'll reemphasize the point that family members, friends, romantic involvements, and authority figures walk away completely unreported while we fixate on something that should be far easier to track down. If someone is guilty, so what if police are afraid of a little bad media? So what if they don't want to be called racist? If they are afraid to do their jobs, we have a problem in the system as much as with any nationality who bring over distasteful practices. No guilty party should have the ability to evade the law. The police who fear to arrest them because of an accusation which they know to be false are guilty themselves of enabling them. If those statistics had the chance to grow, it was because nothing was done of them out of fear for reputation, which is a paltry thing in the grand scale.

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Postby Teemant » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:03 am

Vassenor wrote:
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From his post.


And what part of his post is suggesting what you are claiming it does?


The part that accuses media of capitalizing on outrage. Reporting these is not capitalizing on outrage.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:04 am

Remonetise wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:More of the point that I was making was it was the cultural practices of the Middle East with it's extensive patriarchy and limited value of women that created these trends in the first place. The refugee part isn't the point, it was about Middle Eastern immigrants and the problems they're causing and having. I'll pull some reports, but I'll tg them to you, as I'm about to leave.

Sounds good. But I'll reemphasize the point that family members, friends, romantic involvements, and authority figures walk away completely unreported while we fixate on something that should be far easier to track down. If someone is guilty, so what if police are afraid of a little bad media? So what if they don't want to be called racist? If they are afraid to do their jobs, we have a problem in the system as much as with any nationality who bring over distasteful practices. No guilty party should have the ability to evade the law. The police who fear to arrest them because of an accusation which they know to be false are guilty themselves of enabling them. If those statistics had the chance to grow, it was because nothing was done of them out of fear for reputation, which is a paltry thing in the grand scale.


Also keep in mind that institutional racism is something that British police services got slammed for pretty hard in the '90s.
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Postby Skyviolia » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:04 am

North Dragoria wrote:http://www.bild.de/news/inland/vergewaltigung/vier-maenner-in-weil-am-rhein-wegen-vergewaltigung-von-zwei-maedchen-44053240.bild.html

>Dann aber sollen die vier syrischen Staatsbürger die beiden Mädchen vergewaltigt und verletzt haben. Erst nach Stunden sollen sie ihre Opfer in Ruhe gelassen haben.

>about four Syrian guys raped and injured 14 and 15 year old girls
>this went on for several hours

Google translated:
Arrest warrants sought | Four men raping
two girls (14, 15)

>Weil am Rhein (Baden-Württemberg) - Four young men (14 -21) will have two girls in Weil am Rhein (14, 15) raped.

>Happened's New Year's Eve. The girls are said to have, in his home visited one of the accused, a 21-year-olds in Friedlingen district.

>There was also his brother (15) and two other 14-year-old from Switzerland and the Netherlands.

>Police Chief Inspector Dietmar Ernst (58): "In the apartment, there was only the displays of affection."

>But then to have the two girls raped and injured four Syrian nationals. Only after hours they should have left her victim alone.

>The two girls went straight to the police. Against the four accused warrant was issued.

There is no evidence these were refugees. These were just Syrians. Just because one is Syrian doesn't mean they are a refugee.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:21 am

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:It's not just Germany. The fact of the matter is these things are being underreported, specifically not to fuel the right-wing.


If the German government and other nations within the EU are perceived to be more on the immigrants' side than the locals, it is going to fuel the far right even more. Personally, I don't think this can happen soon enough. I want the EU to fail, I want European nationalism fully revitalized.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:22 am

Saiwania wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:It's not just Germany. The fact of the matter is these things are being underreported, specifically not to fuel the right-wing.


If the German government and other nations within the EU are perceived to be more on the immigrants' side than the locals, it is going to fuel the far right even more. Personally, I don't think this can happen soon enough. I want the EU to fail, I want European nationalism fully revitalized.


Because that went so well last time :lol2:
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Postby The Qeiiam Star Cluster » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:23 am

Saiwania wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:It's not just Germany. The fact of the matter is these things are being underreported, specifically not to fuel the right-wing.


If the German government and other nations within the EU are perceived to be more on the immigrants' side than the locals, it is going to fuel the far right even more. Personally, I don't think this can happen soon enough. I want the EU to fail, I want European nationalism fully revitalized.

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Postby Commonwealth of Hank the Cat » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:24 am

The Qeiiam Star Cluster wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
If the German government and other nations within the EU are perceived to be more on the immigrants' side than the locals, it is going to fuel the far right even more. Personally, I don't think this can happen soon enough. I want the EU to fail, I want European nationalism fully revitalized.

TWO world wars weren't enough for you? You want us to start a third one?


Naw man, we gotta get FOUR world wars up in here! Yeah! (Nods)

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Postby Teemant » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:26 am

The Qeiiam Star Cluster wrote:
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If the German government and other nations within the EU are perceived to be more on the immigrants' side than the locals, it is going to fuel the far right even more. Personally, I don't think this can happen soon enough. I want the EU to fail, I want European nationalism fully revitalized.

TWO world wars weren't enough for you? You want us to start a third one?


Then why don't leftists and centrists do something about it. Their denial to admit problems and deal with them is fueling the rise of far right in Europe.
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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:40 am

Teemant wrote:
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And what part of his post is suggesting what you are claiming it does?


The part that accuses media of capitalizing on outrage. Reporting these is not capitalizing on outrage.


Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:I don't know where you're getting that idea. Criminal cases like this make the news, normally, but generally only local or regional news, since they're generally pretty cut-and-dry. Incident occurs, police investigate, suspects are arrested and charged. There are tens of thousands of murders, rapes, assaults, robberies and other crimes that go on every day in the Western world that you and I never hear about for just that reason. That doesn't mean that there's a coverup, it just means that the national news has an attention economy that focuses on larger issues.

To repeat, the only reason why now we (as non-Germans, non-Baden-Württembergers and non-Weil am Rheiners) are hearing about this case is that the Cologne case has made stories about Syrian refugees committing crimes a hot commodity. More than that, the OP evidently has a political incentive to seek out these cases and publicize them, despite not being a German at all.
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Postby Aelex » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:45 am

Well, I hope this, even if it happen to not have been perpetrated by migrants, along with others such event will be enough of an electroshock to make German people realize the inanity of an open door policy.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:47 am

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The Qeiiam Star Cluster wrote:TWO world wars weren't enough for you? You want us to start a third one?


Then why don't leftists and centrists do something about it. Their denial to admit problems and deal with them is fueling the rise of far right in Europe.

The problem is sexual assault, not Muslims though.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:48 am

Obviously the rape epidemic will vanish into thin air the moment Middle Easterners are deported and blocked. *nod*
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:52 am

>Uneducated, ignorant peasants coming from a culture where women are worth nothing and have no rights
>Ignorant peasants treat native women poorly
>World literally shocked
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Postby Knask » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:19 am

Val Halla wrote:I don't understand the op

Let me put it this way:

The Syrian's climbin' in yo windows, he's snatchin' yo people up, tryin' to rape 'em. So y'all need to hide yo kids, hide yo wife, and hide yo husband cause they rapin' everybody out here.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:39 am

Teemant wrote:
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And what part of his post is suggesting what you are claiming it does?


The part that accuses media of capitalizing on outrage. Reporting these is not capitalizing on outrage.

Why did you say "are you trying to say that victims should keep quiet" when you were talking about the media?

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Postby Saiwania » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:43 am

Gauthier wrote:Obviously the rape epidemic will vanish into thin air the moment Middle Easterners are deported and blocked. *nod*


It arguably would go back to the rates from before the Syrian refugee crisis or decline significantly if the immigration was stopped and as many problematic immigrants already in Europe would get deported and kept out.
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