Another Case of Rape by Syrian "Refugees"

[Murovanka]

Why are we bringing the government into this? I didn't bring the government into this. The "narrative" that I was refering to is the "see, immigrants do steal our women" spiel that being spouted almost constantly from those opposed to letting in the refugees.
Are you also suggesting the Cologne attacks are being underreported? Because to me it's seems exactly not that.

It happened on Silvester. Next few days just rumors, politicians denying things, only concrete reports came out like, four days later? But regardless, I understand the government's position. The spiel that should be spouted should be "our mistake for opening the doors in the first place, not realizing that we cannot possibly give them all a house and job at once, thus naturally causing frustration to build up resulting in more people suffering". With all military aged males deported and all who supported the open gates policy forced to share their wealth with the migrants.

That's entirely speculative on your part.

So is saying that all crime by 'colored people' make headline news. Funny thing, I happen not to be white.

[Alvecia]

Why are we bringing the government into this? I didn't bring the government into this. The "narrative" that I was refering to is the "see, immigrants do steal our women" spiel that being spouted almost constantly from those opposed to letting in the refugees.
Are you also suggesting the Cologne attacks are being underreported? Because to me it's seems exactly not that.

It happened on Silvester. Next few days just rumors, politicians denying things, only concrete reports came out like, four days later?

Source?

But regardless, I understand the government's position. The spiel that should be spouted should be "our mistake for opening the doors in the first place, not realizing that we cannot possibly give them all a house and job at once, thus naturally causing frustration to build up resulting in more people suffering".

I haven't seen any evidence so far that would attribute an "increase in suffering" to anything more than a correlation with increased population.

With all military aged males deported and all who supported the open gates policy forced to share their wealth with the migrants.

[Remonetise]

Seems to me all we're seeing here is a continuation of the sharpshooter fallacy. The rapes where the coloured people do it are headline news, whereas the rest that don't fit into the narrative are conveniently ignored.

The last time there was such massed, organized violence was back in '38, if I'm not wrong. Hasn't it occurred to you that these are, far from being headline news, underreported? Why is it that only a week after such incidents we hear about it? Why is the government constantly playing down the attacks, playing down numbers as if giving war casualty figures, playing down their importance?

Why is it the government's fault that rapists exist, exactly? Certainly sexual assaults between citizens aren't published internationally. And those are far more common, and they are the underreported ones. But claims of rape or even proven rape itself aren't important enough to make international news unless the rape/sexual assault is enacted by an unpopular "infestation" people are scrambling to find reasons to condemn, reject, and expel.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

So is saying that all crime by 'colored people' make headline news. Funny thing, I happen not to be white.

I don't know where you're getting that idea. Criminal cases like this make the news, normally, but generally only local or regional news, since they're generally pretty cut-and-dry. Incident occurs, police investigate, suspects are arrested and charged. There are tens of thousands of murders, rapes, assaults, robberies and other crimes that go on every day in the Western world that you and I never hear about for just that reason. That doesn't mean that there's a coverup, it just means that the national news has an attention economy that focuses on larger issues.

To repeat, the only reason why now we (as non-Germans, non-Baden-Württembergers and non-Weil am Rheiners) are hearing about this case is that the Cologne case has made stories about Syrian refugees committing crimes a hot commodity. More than that, the OP evidently has a political incentive to seek out these cases and publicize them, despite not being a German at all.

[Kelinfort]

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[Ifreann]

All Europeans must go back to Europe. America is full!

Homo sapiens back to Sapienia!

[Khadgar]

Just for giggles, what's the incidence of rape among the general population of Germany, and the incidence rate among the immigrants? I mean surely we have those numbers since there's such a firestorm about these rapist "refugees" (Why is refugees in scare quotes?)

[Remonetise]

Just for giggles, what's the incidence of rape among the general population of Germany, and the incidence rate among the immigrants? I mean surely we have those numbers since there's such a firestorm about these rapist "refugees" (Why is refugees in scare quotes?)

If we are going for giggles, we'll look at the Wikipedia statistic for 2011 and assume it has some form of accuracy.

In 2011, there were about 7,539 reported cases of rape.[8] 70% of the victims were aged 21 to 40.[9]

Edit:
And if this is at all a viable source (not sure, am unfamiliar with this one):
http://www.dw.com/en/report-refugees-ha ... a-18848890
http://www.dw.com/en/attacks-on-refugee ... a-18833991

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

Just for giggles, what's the incidence of rape among the general population of Germany, and the incidence rate among the immigrants? I mean surely we have those numbers since there's such a firestorm about these rapist "refugees" (Why is refugees in scare quotes?)

The reason these people put refugees in scare quotes is because they don't see them as real refugees but moochers trying to steal our jobs and live on welfare or something like that.

[Vassenor]

Just for giggles, what's the incidence of rape among the general population of Germany, and the incidence rate among the immigrants? I mean surely we have those numbers since there's such a firestorm about these rapist "refugees" (Why is refugees in scare quotes?)

Because the fact they didn't settle in the first non-Syria country they arrived in means that clearly they're not "true" refugees and are instead economic migrants coming to steal our jobs, our welfare and our women and are therefore evil and must be destroyed.

Ignoring the fact that if they've stolen our jobs they've got no need to claim welfare, but then rhetoric is not known for its logic.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

The last time there was such massed, organized violence was back in '38, if I'm not wrong. Hasn't it occurred to you that these are, far from being headline news, underreported? Why is it that only a week after such incidents we hear about it? Why is the government constantly playing down the attacks, playing down numbers as if giving war casualty figures, playing down their importance?

Why are we bringing the government into this? I didn't bring the government into this. The "narrative" that I was refering to is the "see, immigrants do steal our women" spiel that being spouted almost constantly from those opposed to letting in the refugees.
Are you also suggesting the Cologne attacks are being underreported? Because to me it's seems exactly not that.

It's not just Germany. The fact of the matter is these things are being underreported, specifically not to fuel the right-wing. Government's have literally stated they've been concerned that if they arrest people from Middle Eastern backgrounds that they'd be fueling racism and right wing extremism.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/mi ... re-9518461
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sout ... e-28939089

The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' descriptions of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men.

1,400 hundred young women exploited. The suspects: 79% from Asian(Muslim) background, 12% White, and 5% African Caribbean.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

So is saying that all crime by 'colored people' make headline news. Funny thing, I happen not to be white.

I don't know where you're getting that idea. Criminal cases like this make the news, normally, but generally only local or regional news, since they're generally pretty cut-and-dry. Incident occurs, police investigate, suspects are arrested and charged. There are tens of thousands of murders, rapes, assaults, robberies and other crimes that go on every day in the Western world that you and I never hear about for just that reason. That doesn't mean that there's a coverup, it just means that the national news has an attention economy that focuses on larger issues.

To repeat, the only reason why now we (as non-Germans, non-Baden-Württembergers and non-Weil am Rheiners) are hearing about this case is that the Cologne case has made stories about Syrian refugees committing crimes a hot commodity. More than that, the OP evidently has a political incentive to seek out these cases and publicize them, despite not being a German at all.

No, the reason why you're hearing about it, is because it's a massive problem, that everyone has elected to ignore or racialize rather than dealing with. While your debating the finer points of how best to mock the right wing, little girls are being raped by men who largely grew up believing women's place is in the home or that if they're not covered up they must be prostitutes. The fact of the matter is it's a serious problem. And the sooner you deal with it, the less ammunition the right wing has, while we both solve a real issue. The prevalence of grooming gangs and sexual assaults by Arab immigrants far outweighs those by any other minority. They're overrepresented in the UK. If it's something cultural, then it's in the common interest of both sides to stop the practices that lead up to thinking it's okay to groom children. If it's just a bunch of bad apples, they're being protected by their families and friends, we should go after them.

It's not about race, it's about children being raped.

[Vassenor]

I don't know where you're getting that idea. Criminal cases like this make the news, normally, but generally only local or regional news, since they're generally pretty cut-and-dry. Incident occurs, police investigate, suspects are arrested and charged. There are tens of thousands of murders, rapes, assaults, robberies and other crimes that go on every day in the Western world that you and I never hear about for just that reason. That doesn't mean that there's a coverup, it just means that the national news has an attention economy that focuses on larger issues.

To repeat, the only reason why now we (as non-Germans, non-Baden-Württembergers and non-Weil am Rheiners) are hearing about this case is that the Cologne case has made stories about Syrian refugees committing crimes a hot commodity. More than that, the OP evidently has a political incentive to seek out these cases and publicize them, despite not being a German at all.

No, the reason why you're hearing about it, is because it's a massive problem, that everyone has elected to ignore or racialize rather than dealing with. While your debating the finer points of how best to mock the right wing, little girls are being raped by men who largely grew up believing women's place is in the home or that if they're not covered up they must be prostitutes. The fact of the matter is it's a serious problem. And the sooner you deal with it, the less ammunition the right wing has, while we both solve a real issue. The prevalence of grooming gangs and sexual assaults by Arab immigrants far outweighs those by any other minority. They're overrepresented in the UK. If it's something cultural, then it's in the common interest of both sides to stop the practices that lead up to thinking it's okay to groom children. If it's just a bunch of bad apples, they're being protected by their families and friends, we should go after them.

It's not about race, it's about children being raped.

Yay for appealing to worse problems. Not everything is a massive conspiracy to mock and belittle right wing politics. Just like everything isn't some massive Muslamic conspiracy to oppress white people.

[Risottia]

http://www.bild.de/news/inland/vergewaltigung/vier-maenner-in-weil-am-rhein-wegen-vergewaltigung-von-zwei-maedchen-44053240.bild.html

>Dann aber sollen die vier syrischen Staatsbürger die beiden Mädchen vergewaltigt und verletzt haben. Erst nach Stunden sollen sie ihre Opfer in Ruhe gelassen haben.

>about four Syrian guys raped and injured 14 and 15 year old girls
>this went on for several hours

Google translated:
Arrest warrants sought | Four men raping
two girls (14, 15)

>Weil am Rhein (Baden-Württemberg) - Four young men (14 -21) will have two girls in Weil am Rhein (14, 15) raped.

>Happened's New Year's Eve. The girls are said to have, in his home visited one of the accused, a 21-year-olds in Friedlingen district.

>There was also his brother (15) and two other 14-year-old from Switzerland and the Netherlands.

>Police Chief Inspector Dietmar Ernst (58): "In the apartment, there was only the displays of affection."

>But then to have the two girls raped and injured four Syrian nationals. Only after hours they should have left her victim alone.

>The two girls went straight to the police. Against the four accused warrant was issued.

I'm sure this proves that every Syrian refugee is a rapist and that rapes never occurr in Germany at the hands of German, Swiss or Dutch citizens.

[Remonetise]

Why are we bringing the government into this? I didn't bring the government into this. The "narrative" that I was refering to is the "see, immigrants do steal our women" spiel that being spouted almost constantly from those opposed to letting in the refugees.
Are you also suggesting the Cologne attacks are being underreported? Because to me it's seems exactly not that.

It's not just Germany. The fact of the matter is these things are being underreported, specifically not to fuel the right-wing. Government's have literally stated they've been concerned that if they arrest people from Middle Eastern backgrounds that they'd be fueling racism and right wing extremism.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/mi ... re-9518461
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sout ... e-28939089

The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' descriptions of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men.

1,400 hundred young women exploited. The suspects: 79% from Asian(Muslim) background, 12% White, and 5% African Caribbean.

These also seem to be dated between 1997 and 2013. It isn't a recent statistic. Nor does it say, unless I missed it, that these men were refugees.

These also don't account for unreported assaults. Considering that while 30 per cent of those surveyed said they’d experienced sexual assault in their lifetimes, fewer than one in five (about 18 per cent) of those had told police and Most rapes committed against women are committed by an intimate partner (spouse, boyfriend/girlfriend) or someone else they know (friend, family member, acquaintance), how many other incidences by people who weren't of any sort of Muslim heritage were not reported?

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

No, the reason why you're hearing about it, is because it's a massive problem, that everyone has elected to ignore or racialize rather than dealing with. While your debating the finer points of how best to mock the right wing, little girls are being raped by men who largely grew up believing women's place is in the home or that if they're not covered up they must be prostitutes. The fact of the matter is it's a serious problem. And the sooner you deal with it, the less ammunition the right wing has, while we both solve a real issue. The prevalence of grooming gangs and sexual assaults by Arab immigrants far outweighs those by any other minority. They're overrepresented in the UK. If it's something cultural, then it's in the common interest of both sides to stop the practices that lead up to thinking it's okay to groom children. If it's just a bunch of bad apples, they're being protected by their families and friends, we should go after them.

It's not about race, it's about children being raped.

Yay for appealing to worse problems. Not everything is a massive conspiracy to mock and belittle right wing politics. Just like everything isn't some massive Muslamic conspiracy to oppress white people.

Except you just did. You've still made no comment on the issue or offered a solution. Instead, you chose a mix of sarcasm and hyperbole, the laziest of rhetoric devices.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

It's not just Germany. The fact of the matter is these things are being underreported, specifically not to fuel the right-wing. Government's have literally stated they've been concerned that if they arrest people from Middle Eastern backgrounds that they'd be fueling racism and right wing extremism.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/mi ... re-9518461
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-sout ... e-28939089


1,400 hundred young women exploited. The suspects: 79% from Asian(Muslim) background, 12% White, and 5% African Caribbean.

These also seem to be dated between 1997 and 2013. It isn't a recent statistic. Nor does it say, unless I missed it, that these men were refugees.

These also don't account for unreported assaults. Considering that while 30 per cent of those surveyed said they’d experienced sexual assault in their lifetimes, fewer than one in five (about 18 per cent) of those had told police and Most rapes committed against women are committed by an intimate partner (spouse, boyfriend/girlfriend) or someone else they know (friend, family member, acquaintance), how many other incidences by people who weren't of any sort of Muslim heritage were not reported?

Again, not the point. Underreported rape rates don't actively counteract my argument. That there is a current trend for Muslim grooming gangs that widely derives from the cultural practices they bring over from their home country. Plus, 2013 is relatively recent. But, I can pull other reports.

[Vassenor]

Yay for appealing to worse problems. Not everything is a massive conspiracy to mock and belittle right wing politics. Just like everything isn't some massive Muslamic conspiracy to oppress white people.

Except you just did. You've still made no comment on the issue or offered a solution. Instead, you chose a mix of sarcasm and hyperbole, the laziest of rhetoric devices.

Or I just accept that one argument in one obscure corner of the internet is not actually going to change anything in the real world in any meaningful way.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Except you just did. You've still made no comment on the issue or offered a solution. Instead, you chose a mix of sarcasm and hyperbole, the laziest of rhetoric devices.

Or I just accept that one argument in one obscure corner of the internet is not actually going to change anything in the real world in any meaningful way.

True enough. But at the same time being made aware of something will get you to talk about it, which will motivate other people to do something about it. When the taboo on speaking about Muslim rape crimes is broken, and it's viewed by the left wing as something that must be talked about in order to protect women and children, then there will be an effort to solve it.

[Val Halla]

I don't understand the op

[Vassenor]

Or I just accept that one argument in one obscure corner of the internet is not actually going to change anything in the real world in any meaningful way.

True enough. But at the same time being made aware of something will get you to talk about it, which will motivate other people to do something about it. When the taboo on speaking about Muslim rape crimes is broken, and it's viewed by the left wing as something that must be talked about in order to protect women and children, then there will be an effort to solve it.

The fact is it's not racist to accuse a group of Muslim men of running a sex ring. It is racist to use that as evidence that all Muslim men are latent rapists.

[Remonetise]

Again, not the point. Underreported rape rates don't actively counteract my argument. That there is a current trend for Muslim grooming gangs that widely derives from the cultural practices they bring over from their home country. Plus, 2013 is relatively recent. But, I can pull other reports.

Ah, but it is the point. What was not reported could completely counteract the percentages in the reports. Exploitation is a very common thing, which is tragic. People are all too willing to accredit all fault to parties they believe will enable the chance to publicly constitute innocence on their failure to prevent such actions. They may be hesitant to arrest them, but they are all too willing to publish statistics.

And yes, please pull a more recent report. Pakistanis are not Syrians. I still see no direct correlation between the current status of the Syrian refugees and the trends of some immoral members of another nationality entirely given the date of the statistics provided. Nor is 2013 going to mirror 2015-2016.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

True enough. But at the same time being made aware of something will get you to talk about it, which will motivate other people to do something about it. When the taboo on speaking about Muslim rape crimes is broken, and it's viewed by the left wing as something that must be talked about in order to protect women and children, then there will be an effort to solve it.

The fact is it's not racist to accuse a group of Muslim men of running a sex ring. It is racist to use that as evidence that all Muslim men are latent rapists.

Except what's been the current case is police ignore the groups of men running sex rings, because they don't want to be called racist.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Again, not the point. Underreported rape rates don't actively counteract my argument. That there is a current trend for Muslim grooming gangs that widely derives from the cultural practices they bring over from their home country. Plus, 2013 is relatively recent. But, I can pull other reports.

Ah, but it is the point. What was not reported could completely counteract the percentages in the reports. Exploitation is a very common thing, which is tragic. People are all too willing to accredit all fault to parties they believe will constitute innocence on their failure to prevent such actions. They may be hesitant to arrest them, but they are all too willing to publish statistics.

And yes, please pull a more recent report. Pakistanis are not Syrians. I still see no direct correlation between the current status of the Syrian refugees and the trends of some immoral members of another nationality entirely given the date of the statistics provided. Nor is 2013 going to mirror 2015.

More of the point that I was making was it was the cultural practices of the Middle East with it's extensive patriarchy and limited value of women that created these trends in the first place. The refugee part isn't the point, it was about Middle Eastern immigrants and the problems they're causing and having. I'll pull some reports, but I'll tg them to you, as I'm about to leave.

[Paredonia]

Why did you put the word refugees in inverted commas? Are you implying that they aren't when they clearly are?