Obama's Executive Orders Against Guns

[North Calaveras]

Oh. I got you now. Rather intensive day at work so my dense factor is high at the moment.

What's the load time for a drum vs a clip?

I don't know. I've never owned or used a drum.

Oh, and "mag" or "magazine". ARs don't use clips.

that always bugs me when people say clip instead of magazine.

[Neu California]

I never said you shouldn't have the same weapons police use, just for the record.

are you opposed to me having a AR-15 with a 30 round magazine and a Glock 19?

When it comes to banning any specific guns, I don't really have an opinion either way

[Big Jim P]

guns are perfect example, they scream for more regulations that directly affect gun owners yet do not scream for direct regulations on muslims. I would thinka liberal would go " You know, I'm a liberal so I can't judge the majority of gun owners based on these few crazy people, i don't think they represent the vast majority of law abiding gun owners so these calls for regulations are really uncessary and go against the idea of personal freedom"

And how exactly does tightening the background checks and regulations to prevent mentally unstable individuals from legally obtaining firearms impair law-abiding people? Unless you're implying there's a correlation between owning guns and mental stability.

Yep, those BGCs stopped thee Sandy Hook shooter etc so well.

[Big Jim P]

I don't know. I've never owned or used a drum.

Oh, and "mag" or "magazine". ARs don't use clips.

that always bugs me when people say clip instead of magazine.

I also hurts their argument. In todays era of free information, such ignorance is inexcusable.

[Luminesa]

I hardly care THAT much about gun control, even. That's not the part that bothered me. The part that bothered me was that he had those parents of the Sandy Hook kids there, to make it look like every Republican or gun-owner who is against him is a criminal and is the reason those kids died.

This infuriates me because I cried when I saw the Sandy Hook tragedy on TV. That event hit me hard, since I want to be a teacher and teach little kids just like them. 20 innocent babies...

If he wants to tighten background checks, fine. We'll see how that goes, and I'm only saying that because...I don't know. But that's not right, demonizing an entire group of people who don't agree with him. That won't make a reasonable compromise come any quicker, and it will only make the politics around gun-control even more heated than they already are.

Hilary clinton said that gun owners were a minority of people with the mindest of terrorizing the majority how is that?

I also liked Obamas fake tears.

She likes throwing that term around quite a bit. Like how she said pro-lifers are just like ISIS.

Gosh, just...oh my gosh...I don't even...

Again, the gun-control thing? We'll see how that plays out, I have no clue. But using those families as part of his rhetoric...that's low.

[Gauthier]

And how exactly does tightening the background checks and regulations to prevent mentally unstable individuals from legally obtaining firearms impair law-abiding people? Unless you're implying there's a correlation between owning guns and mental stability.

Yep, those BGCs stopped thee Sandy Hook shooter etc so well.

Oh yes, I forget Jared Lee Loughner got his gun from his mother.

[Verdiga]

To be honest, I kinda believe the second amendment of the United States constitution needs to be revised. I don't exactly know what, but it should be revised.

And I have a gut feeling the South is most blamable for this. I am too lazy to read statistics, but if I am wrong, methinks a stereotype is in play here.

[Conserative Morality]

Again, the gun-control thing? We'll see how that plays out, I have no clue. But using those families as part of his rhetoric...that's low.

How dare he.

[North Calaveras]

Yep, those BGCs stopped thee Sandy Hook shooter etc so well.

Oh yes, I forget Jared Lee Loughner got his gun from his mother.

and the Mexican cartels got theirs from Eric Holder LULZ

[North Calaveras]

Again, the gun-control thing? We'll see how that plays out, I have no clue. But using those families as part of his rhetoric...that's low.

How dare he.

it's inexcusable from either side.

[Big Jim P]

Hilary clinton said that gun owners were a minority of people with the mindest of terrorizing the majority how is that?

I also liked Obamas fake tears.

She likes throwing that term around quite a bit. Like how she said pro-lifers are just like ISIS.

Gosh, just...oh my gosh...I don't even...

Again, the gun-control thing? We'll see how that plays out, I have no clue. But using those families as part of his rhetoric...that's low.

I pretty much covered it in my first post in this thread:

Some of these orders are what pro-gunners have been calling fr for a long time (Improved enforcement of existing laws, better mental health care, improving the BGC system), others are redundant or useless (online sales already require a BGC, dealers are already required to be licensed). The only one I see as objectionable is the attempt to deny seniors their rights through the SSA.

[Luminesa]

Again, the gun-control thing? We'll see how that plays out, I have no clue. But using those families as part of his rhetoric...that's low.

How dare he.

It wasn't that he used them, but in the WAY he used them. It was a way of saying, "If you don't agree with me, you're with that boy who shot 20 innocent kindergartners in a school." You know what I mean?

[Conserative Morality]

it's inexcusable from either side.

Don't give me that false equivalence bullshit. When a terror attack happens, it's cited as an example for the need for action. When a natural disaster happens, it's cited as a need for action. When an economic crisis happens, it's cited as a need for action. What, do you think it was crass for the civil rights movement to use Rosa Parks' case as a platform for the combating of precisely that kind of travesty?

[The Black Forrest]

And how exactly does tightening the background checks and regulations to prevent mentally unstable individuals from legally obtaining firearms impair law-abiding people? Unless you're implying there's a correlation between owning guns and mental stability.

Yep, those BGCs stopped thee Sandy Hook shooter etc so well.

Oh you can do better then that. BGC can't flag mental cases.

[Conserative Morality]

It wasn't that he used them, but in the WAY he used them. It was a way of saying, "If you don't agree with me, you're with that boy who shot 20 innocent kindergartners in a school." You know what I mean?

It came off more as a shield than a sword to my eyes. "Before you attack this, remember these people and their loss, fuckers"

[Big Jim P]

Yep, those BGCs stopped thee Sandy Hook shooter etc so well.

Oh yes, I forget Jared Lee Loughner got his gun from his mother.

Got it from a dealer, meaning he passed a BGC. Thanks for supporting my argument.

[Big Jim P]

Yep, those BGCs stopped thee Sandy Hook shooter etc so well.

Oh you can do better then that. BGC can't flag mental cases.

BCGs don't stop criminals either.

[The Black Forrest]

How dare he.

It wasn't that he used them, but in the WAY he used them. It was a way of saying, "If you don't agree with me, you're with that boy who shot 20 innocent kindergartners in a school." You know what I mean?

"you're either with us, or against us"

[Gauthier]

Oh yes, I forget Jared Lee Loughner got his gun from his mother.

and the Mexican cartels got theirs from Eric Holder LULZ

Because prosecutors didn't want to go for the straw purchases, lulz.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

None of the ATF agents doubted that the Fast and Furious guns were being purchased to commit crimes in Mexico. But that was nearly impossible to prove to prosecutors’ satisfaction. And agents could not seize guns or arrest suspects after being directed not to do so by a prosecutor. (Agents can be sued if they seize a weapon against prosecutors’ advice. In this case, the agents had a particularly strong obligation to follow the prosecutors’ direction given that Fast and Furious had received a special designation under the Justice Department’s Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force. That designation meant more resources for the case, but it also provided that prosecutors take the lead role.)

[Gauthier]

Oh yes, I forget Jared Lee Loughner got his gun from his mother.

Got it from a dealer, meaning he passed a BGC. Thanks for supporting my argument.

Oh you can do better then that. BGC can't flag mental cases.

[Gauthier]

Oh you can do better then that. BGC can't flag mental cases.

BCGs don't stop criminals either.

Laws don't stop drunk drivers, yet we still have those.

[The Black Forrest]

Oh you can do better then that. BGC can't flag mental cases.

BCGs don't stop criminals either.

Indeed and armed security failed to stop sandy hook.

BGC orobably could if the gun community didn't try to hamper it in always possible.

[North Calaveras]

it's inexcusable from either side.

Don't give me that false equivalence bullshit. When a terror attack happens, it's cited as an example for the need for action. When a natural disaster happens, it's cited as a need for action. When an economic crisis happens, it's cited as a need for action. What, do you think it was crass for the civil rights movement to use Rosa Parks' case as a platform for the combating of precisely that kind of travesty?

what are you trying to say exactly?

[Gauthier]

BCGs don't stop criminals either.

Indeed and armed security failed to stop sandy hook.

BGC orobably could if the gun community didn't try to hamper it in always possible.

Like how they let Lindsay Graham's NICS Reporting Improvement Act of 2013 rot rather than pass it.

[North Calaveras]

and the Mexican cartels got theirs from Eric Holder LULZ

Because prosecutors didn't want to go for the straw purchases, lulz.

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

None of the ATF agents doubted that the Fast and Furious guns were being purchased to commit crimes in Mexico. But that was nearly impossible to prove to prosecutors’ satisfaction. And agents could not seize guns or arrest suspects after being directed not to do so by a prosecutor. (Agents can be sued if they seize a weapon against prosecutors’ advice. In this case, the agents had a particularly strong obligation to follow the prosecutors’ direction given that Fast and Furious had received a special designation under the Justice Department’s Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force. That designation meant more resources for the case, but it also provided that prosecutors take the lead role.)

how convenient.