Obama's Executive Orders Against Guns

[The Black Forrest]

" Don't judge the majority for the acts of the minority" Guess that line is only used when it benefits certain people and not gun owners.

That line is frequently used by gun owners. What is fascinating is how many condemn Muslims for the acts of a few.

[Big Jim P]

So, by your own wording here, specifically this:



A person who commits one crime, say a crime of passion (e.g. a man killing his wife after finding her in bed with another man), only follows the law thereafter when it suits him? He is a criminal after all, having committed a crime. Or a man spends some time committing crimes, is never caught, but eventually goes clean, not committing anymore crimes, but is still a criminal until the statute of limitations runs out, is only following the law because it suits him, and not because he wants to leave his criminal life behind?

Either your worldview is seriously bizarre or your wording needs work, take your pick

well its good your bring these points up because there are a lot of variables. For instance, I'm sure you have broken many laws without even knowing what you were doing. Ever watch a pirated movie? that's illegal technically. When I say criminal I would say that person regularly breaks the law for personal gain.

Back to guns, why should I not have the same weapons as say the police? Afterall I deal with the same criminals as civilians.

I interact with the same public that the police do. My life is just as valuable as theirs, and I have the same right to defend my life as they do. As well as having the same right to bear the same types of weapons. *nod*

[North Calaveras]

That line is frequently used by gun owners. What is fascinating is how many condemn Muslims for the acts of a few.

No conservatives may condemn muslims for that.

Gun-Owners/Supporters are a rainbow of differn't people, black(yes, shocker) white, gay, straight etc etc. We come in all shapes and colors.

And even if you were right that conservatives are being hypocrites, that's not an excuse to be one yourself.

[Gauthier]

Cute and disingenuous, trying to pass the buck onto a complicated process that need near hivemind consensus to pass successfully.

As is intended. When enough people think that the second is sufficiently outdated, then it will be repealed. The fact that there is not enough support (at any level from the Federal down to the individual) to accomplish this tell me that the gun-grabbers are on the losing end of this issue.

Gods bless democracy.

Oh yes, civil rights was passed as a Constitutional amendment because enough people thought that segregation was outdated.

[Neu California]

So, by your own wording here, specifically this:



A person who commits one crime, say a crime of passion (e.g. a man killing his wife after finding her in bed with another man), only follows the law thereafter when it suits him? He is a criminal after all, having committed a crime. Or a man spends some time committing crimes, is never caught, but eventually goes clean, not committing anymore crimes, but is still a criminal until the statute of limitations runs out, is only following the law because it suits him, and not because he wants to leave his criminal life behind?

Either your worldview is seriously bizarre or your wording needs work, take your pick

well its good your bring these points up because there are a lot of variables. For instance, I'm sure you have broken many laws without even knowing what you were doing. Ever watch a pirated movie? that's illegal technically. When I say criminal I would say that person regularly breaks the law for personal gain.

Back to guns, why should I not have the same weapons as say the police? Afterall I deal with the same criminals as civilians.

I never said you shouldn't have the same weapons police use, just for the record.

[North Calaveras]

well its good your bring these points up because there are a lot of variables. For instance, I'm sure you have broken many laws without even knowing what you were doing. Ever watch a pirated movie? that's illegal technically. When I say criminal I would say that person regularly breaks the law for personal gain.

Back to guns, why should I not have the same weapons as say the police? Afterall I deal with the same criminals as civilians.

I never said you shouldn't have the same weapons police use, just for the record.

are you opposed to me having a AR-15 with a 30 round magazine and a Glock 19?

[The Black Forrest]

That line is frequently used by gun owners. What is fascinating is how many condemn Muslims for the acts of a few.

No conservatives may condemn muslims for that.

Gun-Owners/Supporters are a rainbow of differn't people, black(yes, shocker) white, gay, straight etc etc. We come in all shapes and colors.

And even if you were right that conservatives are being hypocrites, that's not an excuse to be one yourself.

You might have had an argument if I had wrote "all gun owners"

But yes, there are many hypocrite conservatives.

[Big Jim P]

I never said you shouldn't have the same weapons police use, just for the record.

are you opposed to me having a AR-15 with a 30 round magazine and a Glock 19?

I have sixteen 30 round mags for my AR. Sadly, only 7 are loaded. I have 3 fully loaded mags fo my Glock (40 rounds total).

[Rusozak]

Oh look, the president of the United State's can't get Americans to democratically give up their guns, so he now has to use force like a child to get what he wants. smh

No, he can't get congress to not be pricks. The people vote on very little over here.

This, basically. His opponents constantly blabber about him being ineffective and toothless. That may be true, but it is only because of the worst trainwreck any democratic society has ever come up with. Congressmen arguing global warning doesn't exist solely because they were able to make a snowball outside in winter, arguing that a child that is a product of rape must not be aborted because it was god's will that child be created by the rape, and the list goes on and on.

And yet, the American sheeple just keep eating it all up and keeping those same twats in power.

[The Black Forrest]

are you opposed to me having a AR-15 with a 30 round magazine and a Glock 19?

I have sixteen 30 round mags for my AR. Sadly, only 7 are loaded. I have 3 fully loaded mags fo my Glock (40 rounds total).

Hmmm. Why is that sad?

[Gauthier]

No, he can't get congress to not be pricks. The people vote on very little over here.

This, basically. His opponents constantly blabber about him being ineffective and toothless. That may be true, but it is only because of the worst trainwreck any democratic society has ever come up with. Congressmen arguing global warning doesn't exist solely because they were able to make a snowball outside in winter, arguing that a child that is a product of rape must not be aborted because it was god's will that child be created by the rape, and the list goes on and on.

And yet, the American sheeple just keep eating it all up and keeping those same twats in power.

Obama is a Schroëdinger's President. Weak and ineffective tyrant overreaching his authority.

[Big Jim P]

I have sixteen 30 round mags for my AR. Sadly, only 7 are loaded. I have 3 fully loaded mags fo my Glock (40 rounds total).

Hmmm. Why is that sad?

Nine are empty.

[The Black Forrest]

Hmmm. Why is that sad?

Nine are empty.

Sorry for being dense but I don't understand why that is sad?

[North Calaveras]

No conservatives may condemn muslims for that.

Gun-Owners/Supporters are a rainbow of differn't people, black(yes, shocker) white, gay, straight etc etc. We come in all shapes and colors.

And even if you were right that conservatives are being hypocrites, that's not an excuse to be one yourself.

You might have had an argument if I had wrote "all gun owners"

But yes, there are many hypocrite conservatives.

and there are many hypocryte liberals, especially when I see Liberals being exactly the opposite of what a liberal should be.

[Qah]

I have to say, I'm annoyed with anyone who would call Obama a 'tyrant' for doing something like this. Especially when, just a few months ago, they called him a "lazy slob that just sits behind his desk and does nothing." Anyways, I think he's using his executive action in the right way. Any steps that can be taken to save lives should be applauded.

And why do republicans adamantly support the Bill of Rights? I mean, don't we amend the Constitution all the time? Did the founding fathers really mean for the first couple of amendments to be completely unchangeable? Remember, the Constitution is meant to be malleable.

[Big Jim P]

Nine are empty.

Sorry for being dense but I don't understand why that is sad?

It is sad because I ran out of ammo to load the last nine. They are ancient old crap mags anyway, so I am likely to junk them once I get to the rang and find out which ones are worn out. I will likely replace them with 100 round drums.

[Gauthier]

I have to say, I'm annoyed with anyone who would call Obama a 'tyrant' for doing something like this. Especially when, just a few months ago, they called him a "lazy slob that just sits behind his desk and does nothing." Anyways, I think he's using his executive action in the right way. Any steps that can be taken to save lives should be applauded.

And why do republicans adamantly support the Bill of Rights? I mean, don't we amend the Constitution all the time? Did the founding fathers really mean for the first couple of amendments to be completely unchangeable? Remember, the Constitution is meant to be malleable.

Schroëdinger's President Obama.

[The Black Forrest]

You might have had an argument if I had wrote "all gun owners"

But yes, there are many hypocrite conservatives.

and there are many hypocryte liberals, especially when I see Liberals being exactly the opposite of what a liberal should be.

And who said there wasn't any?

Simple curiosity question: Can you give a frequent parroted hypocrite argument like "you can't judge the actions of the whole by a few" for the liberals.

[Luminesa]

I hardly care THAT much about gun control, even. That's not the part that bothered me. The part that bothered me was that he had those parents of the Sandy Hook kids there, to make it look like every Republican or gun-owner who is against him is a criminal and is the reason those kids died.

This infuriates me because I cried when I saw the Sandy Hook tragedy on TV. That event hit me hard, since I want to be a teacher and teach little kids just like them. 20 innocent babies...

If he wants to tighten background checks, fine. We'll see how that goes, and I'm only saying that because...I don't know. But that's not right, demonizing an entire group of people who don't agree with him. That won't make a reasonable compromise come any quicker, and it will only make the politics around gun-control even more heated than they already are.

[North Calaveras]

and there are many hypocryte liberals, especially when I see Liberals being exactly the opposite of what a liberal should be.

And who said there wasn't any?

Simple curiosity question: Can you give a frequent parroted hypocrite argument like "you can't judge the actions of the whole by a few" for the liberals.

guns are perfect example, they scream for more regulations that directly affect gun owners yet do not scream for direct regulations on muslims. I would thinka liberal would go " You know, I'm a liberal so I can't judge the majority of gun owners based on these few crazy people, i don't think they represent the vast majority of law abiding gun owners so these calls for regulations are really uncessary and go against the idea of personal freedom"

[North Calaveras]

I hardly care THAT much about gun control, even. That's not the part that bothered me. The part that bothered me was that he had those parents of the Sandy Hook kids there, to make it look like every Republican or gun-owner who is against him is a criminal and is the reason those kids died.

This infuriates me because I cried when I saw the Sandy Hook tragedy on TV. That event hit me hard, since I want to be a teacher and teach little kids just like them. 20 innocent babies...

If he wants to tighten background checks, fine. We'll see how that goes, and I'm only saying that because...I don't know. But that's not right, demonizing an entire group of people who don't agree with him. That won't make a reasonable compromise come any quicker, and it will only make the politics around gun-control even more heated than they already are.

Hilary clinton said that gun owners were a minority of people with the mindest of terrorizing the majority how is that?

I also liked Obamas fake tears.

[The Black Forrest]

Sorry for being dense but I don't understand why that is sad?

It is sad because I ran out of ammo to load the last nine. They are ancient old crap mags anyway, so I am likely to junk them once I get to the rang and find out which ones are worn out. I will likely replace them with 100 round drums.

Oh. I got you now. Rather intensive day at work so my dense factor is high at the moment.

What's the load time for a drum vs a clip?

[Gauthier]

And who said there wasn't any?

Simple curiosity question: Can you give a frequent parroted hypocrite argument like "you can't judge the actions of the whole by a few" for the liberals.

guns are perfect example, they scream for more regulations that directly affect gun owners yet do not scream for direct regulations on muslims. I would thinka liberal would go " You know, I'm a liberal so I can't judge the majority of gun owners based on these few crazy people, i don't think they represent the vast majority of law abiding gun owners so these calls for regulations are really uncessary and go against the idea of personal freedom"

And how exactly does tightening the background checks and regulations to prevent mentally unstable individuals from legally obtaining firearms impair law-abiding people? Unless you're implying there's a correlation between owning guns and mental stability.

[North Calaveras]

guns are perfect example, they scream for more regulations that directly affect gun owners yet do not scream for direct regulations on muslims. I would thinka liberal would go " You know, I'm a liberal so I can't judge the majority of gun owners based on these few crazy people, i don't think they represent the vast majority of law abiding gun owners so these calls for regulations are really uncessary and go against the idea of personal freedom"

And how exactly does tightening the background checks and regulations to prevent mentally unstable individuals from legally obtaining firearms impair law-abiding people? Unless you're implying there's a correlation between owning guns and mental stability.

I'm quite sure there are many other smaller pieces in this action that are not being accounted for. I'm sure it involves going through people records of all kinds for no good reason.

I'm okay with a good solid background check, what im not okay with is limiting my magazine size, stocks etc etc as well stupid "cool off" periods that assume people are guilty until proven innocent. IDK about you but I don't think the law should be based on being guilty before you are even judged.

[Big Jim P]

It is sad because I ran out of ammo to load the last nine. They are ancient old crap mags anyway, so I am likely to junk them once I get to the rang and find out which ones are worn out. I will likely replace them with 100 round drums.

Oh. I got you now. Rather intensive day at work so my dense factor is high at the moment.

What's the load time for a drum vs a clip?

I don't know. I've never owned or used a drum.

Oh, and "mag" or "magazine". ARs don't use clips.