You reap what you sow? Mass sexual assault in Germany

[Gauthier]

And usually when it does happen we look for more substantive reasons why rather than just "Oh, they're all Muslims so it was inevitable".

Admittedly, the last 5 times I can remember this happening it was all muslims as well.

Why not declare Islam a crime then? Clearly if all Muslims are converted or driven off it will eliminate rape and other violent crimes.

[Iwassoclose]

True. Which is why we are discussing the noxious sexism and misogyny so rampant on Islamic society. A debate that you have taken upon yourself to negate and disrupt.

It's almost as if, neither me, nor Aelex, nor The Alma Mater, the three most active right now have suggested anything to do with the ideology itself, but with the sexism and misogyny so rampant in Islamic societies.

...Believing that integration is the best way to fix that problem is an attempt to negate and disrupt discussion of the problem?

Who do you think is against integration here exactly? The country or the new comers?

[Vassenor]

...Believing that integration is the best way to fix that problem is an attempt to negate and disrupt discussion of the problem?

Who do you think is against integration here exactly? The country or the new comers?

I don't believe anyone is necessarily against it; just that people are deciding it hasn't worked because it's not been an instant solution.

[Olerand]

True. Which is why we are discussing the noxious sexism and misogyny so rampant on Islamic society. A debate that you have taken upon yourself to negate and disrupt.

It's almost as if, neither me, nor Aelex, nor The Alma Mater, the three most active right now have suggested anything to do with the ideology itself, but with the sexism and misogyny so rampant in Islamic societies.

...Believing that integration is the best way to fix that problem is an attempt to negate and disrupt discussion of the problem?

Your integration is employment, values need not change, societal attitudes need not change. A multicultural society with conflicting values, but where everyone is employed. The other alternative, actually relinquishing this noxious misogyny and sexism, is "racist" and "islamophobic".

[Vassenor]

...Believing that integration is the best way to fix that problem is an attempt to negate and disrupt discussion of the problem?

Your integration is employment, values need not change, societal attitudes need not change. A multicultural society with conflicting values, but where everyone is employed. The other alternative, actually relinquishing this noxious misogyny and sexism, is "racist" and "islamophobic".

My solution is education.

[Olerand]

...Believing that integration is the best way to fix that problem is an attempt to negate and disrupt discussion of the problem?

Who do you think is against integration here exactly? The country or the new comers?

Why Germany of course. They're the ones who are "up", and you can't demand anything from those who are "down", did I get that right?

[Olerand]

Your integration is employment, values need not change, societal attitudes need not change. A multicultural society with conflicting values, but where everyone is employed. The other alternative, actually relinquishing this noxious misogyny and sexism, is "racist" and "islamophobic".

My solution is education.

Oh is it? And if, as is the case, the education is rejected? Because it is secular and anti-Islamic values (as determined by th local imam), then what? They have a job, and an education they won't listen to. Now what?

[Vassenor]

My solution is education.

Oh is it? And if, as is the case, the education is rejected? Because it is secular and anti-Islamic (as determined by th local imam), then what? They have a job, and an education they won't listen to. Now what?

Why are you asking me? I'm not a clairvoyant, and I do not claim to have all the answers.

[The Alma Mater]

Admittedly, the last 5 times I can remember this happening it was all muslims as well.

Why not declare Islam a crime then? Clearly if all Muslims are converted or driven off it will eliminate rape and other violent crimes.

I prefer acknowledging the problem and looking for a more practical solution. Neither the thing you suggest, nor the "it cannot possibly have anything whatsoever to do with Islam" angle you keep promoting are practical or fair.

[Gauthier]

My solution is education.

Oh is it? And if, as is the case, the education is rejected? Because it is secular and anti-Islamic (as determined by th local imam), then what? They have a job, and an education they won't listen to. Now what?

Seems like you won't be satisfied with any solution that doesn't invole expelling and blocking all Muslims from the country or even the continent.

[Olerand]

Oh is it? And if, as is the case, the education is rejected? Because it is secular and anti-Islamic (as determined by th local imam), then what? They have a job, and an education they won't listen to. Now what?

Why are you asking me? I'm not a clairvoyant, and I do not claim to have all the answers.

Quaint. But..... Then what is your argument exactly? You admit to have no solution, what is your gripe exactly? Because you are ready to attack those with a conflicting idea, while admittedly having no solution yourself. Contrarianism gone wrong? And don't tell me you are defending "Islam" because no one here is talking about the ideology, everyone is discussing the sexism and misogyny present in Islamic societies.

[Olerand]

Oh is it? And if, as is the case, the education is rejected? Because it is secular and anti-Islamic (as determined by th local imam), then what? They have a job, and an education they won't listen to. Now what?

Seems like you won't be satisfied with any solution that doesn't invole expelling and blocking all Muslims from the country or even the continent.

C'est vrai, got us figured out once again.

[Gauthier]

Why not declare Islam a crime then? Clearly if all Muslims are converted or driven off it will eliminate rape and other violent crimes.

I prefer acknowledging the problem and looking for a more practical solution. Neither the thing you suggest, nor the "it cannot possibly have anything whatsoever to do with Islam" angle you keep promoting are practical or fair.

The "practical" solution that seems to be looking popular involves deportation and exclusion.

[Vassenor]

Why are you asking me? I'm not a clairvoyant, and I do not claim to have all the answers.

Quaint. But..... Then what is your argument exactly? You admit to have no solution, what is your gripe exactly? Because you are ready to attack those with a conflicting idea, while admittedly having no solution yourself. Contrarianism gone wrong? And don't tell me you are defending "Islam" because no one here is talking about the ideology, everyone is discussing the sexism and misogyny present in Islamic societies.

I just prefer not feeding the terrorists' narrative regarding oppression and how the only place that Muslims can ever hope to be safe is under their iron heel.

So what is the solution then?

And given that you blame Islam in general for causing the sexism and the misogyny I'd say that you are talking about the ideology.

[Aelex]

I prefer acknowledging the problem and looking for a more practical solution. Neither the thing you suggest, nor the "it cannot possibly have anything whatsoever to do with Islam" angle you keep promoting are practical or fair.

The "practical" solution that seems to be looking popular involves deportation and exclusion.

Don't you ever get tired of being so hyperbolic? I mean, after spouting so much exaggerations in so less time, I would personally be simply exhausted.

[Iwassoclose]

Who do you think is against integration here exactly? The country or the new comers?

Why Germany of course. They're the ones who are "up", and you can't demand anything from those who are "down", did I get that right?

Sounds about right, values clash but this here is a minority group so they gotta use kiddy gloves

[The Alma Mater]

I prefer acknowledging the problem and looking for a more practical solution. Neither the thing you suggest, nor the "it cannot possibly have anything whatsoever to do with Islam" angle you keep promoting are practical or fair.

The "practical" solution that seems to be looking popular involves deportation and exclusion.

We are all eagerly awaiting your alternative.

[Gauthier]

The "practical" solution that seems to be looking popular involves deportation and exclusion.

Don't you ever get tired of being so hyperbolic? I mean, after spouting so much exaggerations in so less time, I would personally be simply exhausted.

The people ranting about how Islam is the sole problem haven't proposed an idea for a solution so far, so I figure they're rooting for deportation and exclusion, or they just love gloating about how Muslims are savage rapists for a smug sense of superiority.

[Gauthier]

The "practical" solution that seems to be looking popular involves deportation and exclusion.

We are all eagerly awaiting your alternative.

Since when did you ever take me seriously?

[The Alma Mater]

We are all eagerly awaiting your alternative.

Since when did you ever take me seriously?

Whenever you post seriously, I do.
I always hope you are sarcastic when you are dismissing official policestatements and tales of massrape as jokes.

So..what is your *serious* alternative, which is not the "looking away" you have been arguing for this whole topic - which I hope you did in jest.

[Baltenstein]

Don't you ever get tired of being so hyperbolic? I mean, after spouting so much exaggerations in so less time, I would personally be simply exhausted.

The people ranting about how Islam is the sole problem haven't proposed an idea for a solution so far, so I figure they're rooting for deportation and exclusion, or they just love gloating about how Muslims are savage rapists for a smug sense of superiority.

An erstwhile solution would be a much stricter immigration regulation and legislation that explicitedly links certain crimes commited by asylum seekers (sexual and physical violence) to immediate deportation.
The gentlemen from Cologne can ponder about life's ironies in the Syrian desert for all I care.

By the way, many Syrian refugees in Germany are making the exact same demands - kick the perpetrators out of the country ASAP.

http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/ ... n-Ruf.html

[Vassenor]

Also, for all this talk of rape apologia, what does that make the people who seem to be chomping at the bit for there to be more rapes because it'll add fuel to their narrative?

[Gauthier]

Since when did you ever take me seriously?

Whenever you post seriously, I do.
I always hope you are sarcastic when you are dismissing official policestatements and tales of massrape as jokes.

So..what is your *serious* alternative, which is not the "looking away" you have been arguing for this whole topic - which I hope you did in jest.

Expelling the actual rapists for one, only a trolling asshole would say otherwise. Emphasize that anyone caught committing a crime will be expelled, but for God's sake don't turn it into propaganda campaign against all the refugees and immigrants. Got enough douchefucks trying to justify banning all of them with the rapes.

[Olerand]

Quaint. But..... Then what is your argument exactly? You admit to have no solution, what is your gripe exactly? Because you are ready to attack those with a conflicting idea, while admittedly having no solution yourself. Contrarianism gone wrong? And don't tell me you are defending "Islam" because no one here is talking about the ideology, everyone is discussing the sexism and misogyny present in Islamic societies.

I just prefer not feeding the terrorists' narrative regarding oppression and how the only place that Muslims can ever hope to be safe is under their iron heel.

So what is the solution then?

And given that you blame Islam in general for causing the sexism and the misogyny I'd say that you are talking about the ideology.

From the earlier in this same thread:

So what would you suggest to do to them?

To? If you are speaking of Islam in Europe; then limit familial immigration, close reactionary mosques, expel reactionary preachers, withdraw French nationality from binational terrorists, create a penalty of national indignity for mononational terrorists (if they cannot be made apatride), fund more laïcité and civic focused education, lessen social housing and break up ghettos, invest massively in non-subsidized, non-public sector employment opportunities for people from the banlieues. And a variety of other things too, like less child subsidies for parents whose children are convicted in court, or who miss school too often; or more support for single mothers; or better representation for liberal Muslims on public television who are often decried as Uncle Toms by Muslim and communitarian organizations today. And anything else that could work, rather than complain about how it is so unfair to expect those who immigrated to France to at least accept French values.

And if Muslims want "freedom", they're going to have to start implementing it in their own -non-terrorist dominated, which are all Muslim locales except for the IS- societies, before they can claim that they want it from ours.

I speak of Islam only in relation to its relationship with society. I cannot change Islam the ideology, I am not Muslim; the French Republic cannot change Islam, it does not even recognize it. All we can deal with is its effects on society.

[Baltenstein]

New information:

One of the arrested suspects had a self-made German-Arab "vocabulary" of sorts with him, with what he probably thought were appropriate lines of communication for New Year`s Eve:

Gems include "Nice tits", "Fuck", "I want to fuck you", "I want to kiss you", "I will kill you"