You reap what you sow? Mass sexual assault in Germany

[Aelex]

How have I endorsed terrorism? How have I said at any point that any terrorist act has been a righteous thing?

You're saying that their actions was a "legitimate response". If that's not endorsing the said deeds then what it is thus?

[Olerand]

Oh I know, I've heard it before, don't worry. I've heard that argument -and the defense of the Charlie Hebdo massacre- in a handful of cases and from the usual suspects in France; I have now learned I am much more likely to run into these arguments here in America.

It's an interesting dynamic, that's for sure.

Don't forget the claims it was not muslims at all, but all a false flag by the USA...

Oh, yeah, but I believe that is a trademarked invention of the banlieues and assorted locations; truly, the Mossad has super powers.

[Gauthier]

Then again it's pretty much accepted in this country that if you don't spend every breath explicitly and vehemently calling all Muslims evil you're a terrorist sympathiser.

Or an SJW tumblrina. Or both.

[Vassenor]

How have I endorsed terrorism? How have I said at any point that any terrorist act has been a righteous thing?

You're saying that their actions was a "legitimate response". If that's not endorsing the said deeds then what it is thus?

You will also note that I told you I was wrong when I said things to give that impression.

[Iwassoclose]

Confirmed from Bild and Spiegel; tragic and detailed telling of events:

- Thursday, the German press, so other than Die Welt, also reported that a police report shows that the events were more serious than what the police acknowledged. This information is provided by Bild and Spiegel. The police present were utterly overwhelmed, the men present were assaulting women, throwing bottles and fireworks around the area. Bild's report describes the station completely surrounded by thousands of men "essentially (or mostly, they mean mostly I'm not sure if essentially means mostly in English as accurately as in French) issued from immigration"; under the influence, firing bottles and fireworks at crowds and the police. Even during the beginning of the night -keep in mind, the next day, Cologne police reported the night was orderly and went well- at around 9:45, people were already reporting robberies and sexual assaults. In a quote, even the appearance of the police did not stop the events, not in the station, nor outside. At around 10:45, the area fills up some more (this has to have been organized, that's just my opinion here) women present "accompanied (by men I presume) or otherwise, had to go through a veritable obstacle course to get out and away from the station". Considering the fireworks being fired at people, the police say they needed to evacuate the area, to avoid physical injury (sucks for the women I guess, sexual assault and rape are not "physical injuries" maybe) or death.

- The evacuation begins at around 11:30 and is extremely difficult because of the violence of the men present. During the operation, "numerous young women and women, shocked and in tears, run to the police and report having been assaulted sexually by groups of men". "The police couldn't control the events, assaults or crimes, there were too many occurring at the same time". The police, who the report acknowledged were overwhelmed, could no longer keep track of the complaints.

- The entire station was sacked; trains could not be boarded or unloaded. To the cries of help, the police could not adequately respond because the assailants formed tight circles around their victims; many women were only and barely saved from being raped by passersby, who were in turn assaulted (Underlined by me for emphasis, this struck me strongly). "In this situation, no arrests were possible". The policeman reporting writes he faced a level of "disrespect" never experienced in "29 years of service".

Even absent the sexual assaults on the women. The fact that they caused such a large public disturbance, attacked civilians and police by throwing fireworks and bottles at them, robbed people on mass and caused such a panic is disgusting. With the latter involved and esp. the third point, this makes it so many times worse.

[Gauthier]

And the thread solidifies as a gloatfest of Muslim Arabs as genetic rapists that any country stupid enough to let so much as one in deserves what it gets.

Now that's victim blaming on a national scale.

[Olerand]

It is nothing if not interesting however to see how liberalism, the ideology that invented free speech, is now against it when it targets "certain groups; and how liberalism, one of the leading ideological defenders of women's rights, will now easily dismiss these rights to fight for their greater narrative.

I would say it's shocking how gangrened it has all become; but it's truly not that surprising.

[Olerand]

And the thread solidifies as a gloatfest of Muslim Arabs as genetic rapists that any country stupid enough to let so much as one in deserves what it gets.

Now that's victim blaming on a national scale.

Oui, mais bien sûr. That is an excellent summary of all that has been said so far. You have truly nailed us and our arguments to the wall, clear for all to see.

[The Alma Mater]

And the thread solidifies as a gloatfest of Muslim Arabs as genetic rapists that any country stupid enough to let so much as one in deserves what it gets.

Now that's victim blaming on a national scale.

Or it is people being horrified by a story about 2000 immigrants who coordinated to molest women to show the superiority and dominance of their kind.
You have to admit, it is scary. And sadly, it is indeed exactly what people like Wilders and groups like Pegida claimed would happen.

[Vassenor]

It is nothing if not interesting however to see how liberalism, the ideology that invented free speech, is now against it when it targets "certain groups; and how liberalism, one of the leading ideological defenders of women's rights, will now easily dismiss these rights to fight for their greater narrative.

I would say it's shocking how gangrened it has all become; but it's truly not that surprising.

How is trying to disassociate terrorism from Islam or not understanding why we must punish a billion people for the actions of a handful suppressing freedom of speech?

[Aelex]

And the thread solidifies as a gloatfest of Muslim Arabs as genetic rapists that any country stupid enough to let so much as one in deserves what it gets.

Now that's victim blaming on a national scale.

Suddendly, victim complex intensify.
Truly surprising.

[Gauthier]

And the thread solidifies as a gloatfest of Muslim Arabs as genetic rapists that any country stupid enough to let so much as one in deserves what it gets.

Now that's victim blaming on a national scale.

Or it is people being horrified by a story about 2000 immigrants who coordinated to molest women to show the superiority and dominance of their kind.
You have to admit, it is scary. And sadly, it is indeed exactly what people like Wilders and groups like Pegida claimed would happen.

Choreographed Rape Line.

Now I've heard it all.

[Iwassoclose]

And the thread solidifies as a gloatfest of Muslim Arabs as genetic rapists that any country stupid enough to let so much as one in deserves what it gets.

Now that's victim blaming on a national scale.

[Vassenor]

And the thread solidifies as a gloatfest of Muslim Arabs as genetic rapists that any country stupid enough to let so much as one in deserves what it gets.

Now that's victim blaming on a national scale.

I thought it was more how we're supposedly personally responsible for these assaults because we don't believe in shutting out all members of a given religion that other people don't like.

[Olerand]

It is nothing if not interesting however to see how liberalism, the ideology that invented free speech, is now against it when it targets "certain groups; and how liberalism, one of the leading ideological defenders of women's rights, will now easily dismiss these rights to fight for their greater narrative.

I would say it's shocking how gangrened it has all become; but it's truly not that surprising.

How is trying to disassociate terrorism from Islam or not understanding why we must punish a billion people for the actions of a handful suppressing freedom of speech?

You know, as do I that is not what you have done. You admitted your "mistake" for defending the Charlie Hebdo massacre; yet Gauthier has not -and I'm sure won't. And then you are currently dismissing what is happening in Cologne, the affair, the coverup, completely negating any sexism that might exist in Muslim society -while I am sure you would not negate the sexism that exists in western society.

None are so blind as those who do not want to see.

[Vassenor]

How is trying to disassociate terrorism from Islam or not understanding why we must punish a billion people for the actions of a handful suppressing freedom of speech?

You know, as do I that is not what you have done. You admitted your "mistake" for defending the Charlie Hebdo massacre; yet Gauthier has not -and I'm sure won't. And then you are currently dismissing what is happening in Cologne, the affair, the coverup, completely negating any sexism that might exist in Muslim society -while I am sure you would not negate the sexism that exists in western society.

None are so blind as those who do not want to see.

Show me where I have done that then.

[Aelex]

How is trying to disassociate terrorism from Islam or not understanding why we must punish a billion people for the actions of a handful suppressing freedom of speech?

Blaming victims for their deaths in the process may be the main reason.

[Olerand]

Or it is people being horrified by a story about 2000 immigrants who coordinated to molest women to show the superiority and dominance of their kind.
You have to admit, it is scary. And sadly, it is indeed exactly what people like Wilders and groups like Pegida claimed would happen.

Choreographed Rape Line.

Now I've heard it all.

An idea posited by the police themselves, who have suggested this might have been coordinated by social media.

Mais bien sûr, you are right. Germans are notorious for racism anyway.

[Olerand]

You know, as do I that is not what you have done. You admitted your "mistake" for defending the Charlie Hebdo massacre; yet Gauthier has not -and I'm sure won't. And then you are currently dismissing what is happening in Cologne, the affair, the coverup, completely negating any sexism that might exist in Muslim society -while I am sure you would not negate the sexism that exists in western society.

None are so blind as those who do not want to see.

Show me where I have done that then.

Which? The justification? The belittling? The negation? Which part?

[Gauthier]

And the thread solidifies as a gloatfest of Muslim Arabs as genetic rapists that any country stupid enough to let so much as one in deserves what it gets.

Now that's victim blaming on a national scale.

I thought it was more how we're supposedly personally responsible for these assaults because we don't believe in shutting out all members of a given religion that other people don't like.

No, if you don't believe in shutting all of them out you want to be one of them and you're an SJW appeaser.

[The Alma Mater]

Or it is people being horrified by a story about 2000 immigrants who coordinated to molest women to show the superiority and dominance of their kind.
You have to admit, it is scary. And sadly, it is indeed exactly what people like Wilders and groups like Pegida claimed would happen.

Choreographed Rape Line.

Now I've heard it all.

Well, it IS what the cops claim happened. Why do you dismiss it ? It is not the first time a few thousand people come together to cause trouble.

[Vassenor]

Choreographed Rape Line.

Now I've heard it all.

Well, it IS what the cops claim happened. Why do you dismiss it ? It is not the first time a few thousand people come together to cause trouble.

And usually when it does happen we look for more substantive reasons why rather than just "Oh, they're all Muslims so it was inevitable".

[Olerand]

Well, it IS what the cops claim happened. Why do you dismiss it ? It is not the first time a few thousand people come together to cause trouble.

And usually when it does happen we look for more substantive reasons why rather than just "Oh, they're all Muslims so it was inevitable".

True. Which is why we are discussing the noxious sexism and misogyny so rampant on Islamic society. A debate that you have taken upon yourself to negate and disrupt.

It's almost as if, neither me, nor Aelex, nor The Alma Mater, the three most active right now have suggested anything to do with the ideology itself, but with the sexism and misogyny so rampant in Islamic societies.

[The Alma Mater]

Well, it IS what the cops claim happened. Why do you dismiss it ? It is not the first time a few thousand people come together to cause trouble.

And usually when it does happen we look for more substantive reasons why rather than just "Oh, they're all Muslims so it was inevitable".

Admittedly, the last 5 times I can remember this happening it was all muslims as well.
EDIT: ah no,scratch that.There were some coordinated football riots as well.

Still, the point is that it is not unheard of of large groups of people, including large groups of muslims, to come together specifically for the reason to cause trouble.

[Vassenor]

And usually when it does happen we look for more substantive reasons why rather than just "Oh, they're all Muslims so it was inevitable".

True. Which is why we are discussing the noxious sexism and misogyny so rampant on Islamic society. A debate that you have taken upon yourself to negate and disrupt.

It's almost as if, neither me, nor Aelex, nor The Alma Mater, the three most active right now have suggested anything to do with the ideology itself, but with the sexism and misogyny so rampant in Islamic societies.

...Believing that integration is the best way to fix that problem is an attempt to negate and disrupt discussion of the problem?