You reap what you sow? Mass sexual assault in Germany

[Aelex]

And here's the thing. If you insult someone, and they punch you in the face for it, are you entirely blameless? If you take an action, you accept responsibility for the consequences of your actions.

I guess it's funny. People hold up Charlie Hebdo as a shining bastion of free speech while using them as an excuse to suppress the free speech of others.

Are you truly saying that Charlie Hebdo "DESERVED" to get attacked because of it's caricatures? That it somewhat asked for it by being so provocative?
Funnily enough, there is one other kind of people who use the same rhetoric as you but that you shouldn't be so eager to emulate.
Rape Apologists.

[Jamzmania]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but only 31 people, 18 of whom were asylum seekers, were involved in the violence, which mostly did not involve sexual assault. Of course, the number of assaulters could increase, but it definitely wasn't a "thousand" people.

That's 32 who have been identified. Not the full number.

[Vassenor]

And here's the thing. If you insult someone, and they punch you in the face for it, are you entirely blameless? If you take an action, you accept responsibility for the consequences of your actions.

I guess it's funny. People hold up Charlie Hebdo as a shining bastion of free speech while using them as an excuse to suppress the free speech of others.

Are you truly saying that Charlie Hebdo "DESERVED" to get attacked because of it's caricatures? That it somewhat asked for it by being so provocative?
Funnily enough, there is one other kind of people who use the same rhetoric as you but that you shouldn't be so eager to emulate.
Rape Apologists.

Show me where I said that. There's a difference between saying someone is not blameless and saying they deserved what happened.

[The Alma Mater]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but only 31 people, 18 of whom were asylum seekers, were involved in the violence, which mostly did not involve sexual assault. Of course, the number of assaulters could increase, but it definitely wasn't a "thousand" people.

Those figures are strongly contested by some policeofficers who were actually there.
Still, it seems to be closer to the truth than "no asylum seekers at all"

[Vassenor]

Or let me put it another way. They had every right to publish what they did, but you do a disservice to their memory and perceived sacrifice when you turn them into a stick and use it to oppress the free speech of others. When you use them to shut down any viewpoint on Islam that does not mesh with your narrative about how evil and barbaric all Muslims are.

[Aelex]

Are you truly saying that Charlie Hebdo "DESERVED" to get attacked because of it's caricatures? That it somewhat asked for it by being so provocative?
Funnily enough, there is one other kind of people who use the same rhetoric as you but that you shouldn't be so eager to emulate.
Rape Apologists.

Show me where I said that. There's a difference between saying someone is not blameless and saying they deserved what happened.

"If she didn't dressed so slutty, that wouldn't have happened.","Well, she shouldn't have drunk so much!","Yeah, she shouldn't have get into the car of a man she didn't known..."
Rape apologist argument.
You're implying that the victim is somewhat responsible for what happened to her.

[Republic of Coldwater]

Positive depiction? Isn't that obviously everywhere? It's common knowledge that Islam is a religion of peace now, and that terrorists have no religion. Right? Let me ask you, where is the freedom of speech and conscience if we can't talk about another culture, another religion, in a negative light? Charlie Hebdo did so, as satire, and liberals around the world deemed it insensitive and I dare say many thought that they shuoldn't have been allowed to publish. Then you have muslims around the world agreeing with these "terrorists", just disagreeing on the methods.

Keep trying to call me racist. What's more racist perhaps is the West's liberal's belief that their morality and values is superior than that of the so-called "terrorists" (how about Sunni freedom fighters, for ISIS?). Do I think it is superior? No, but in this multicultural world it's necessary.

Where am I saying you can't discuss them negatively? Where have I actually called you racist?

And here's the thing. If you insult someone, and they punch you in the face for it, are you entirely blameless? If you take an action, you accept responsibility for the consequences of your actions.

I guess it's funny. People hold up Charlie Hebdo as a shining bastion of free speech while using them as an excuse to suppress the free speech of others.

Even if you use that free speech to argue for the repression of the free speech of others, that still constitutes free speech. You either support it or you don't, there is no in between bullshit to rights people are given, and rights they are not. Look, Charlie Hebdo did shit that offended Muslims, but that doesn't give them an excuse to go and shoot people.

Oh I'm sorry, I must've triggered you.

[Vassenor]

Oh I'm sorry, I must've triggered you.

This isn't tumblr. Triggering isn't a thing here.

[Republic of Coldwater]

Or let me put it another way. They had every right to publish what they did, but you do a disservice to their memory and perceived sacrifice when you turn them into a stick and use it to oppress the free speech of others. When you use them to shut down any viewpoint on Islam that does not mesh with your narrative about how evil and barbaric all Muslims are.

They never wanted to shut down anything, they never advocated for taking free speech rights away from Muslims, they merely depicted the barbaric nature of the Koran, and that pissed of Muslims, some of which actually do want to take free speech rights away from everybody and institute Sharia Law.

They were more or less shot for using their right to freedom off speech, and they effectively sacrificed their lives because they exercised that right. Some of the shit they said was controversial and offensive, but that is the point of free speech. If you cannot stand that, go back to your "Safe space" or whatever the hell they call it now.

[Republic of Coldwater]

Oh I'm sorry, I must've triggered you.

This isn't tumblr. Triggering isn't a thing here.

Are you denying the validity of this so-called "triggering"?

[Gauthier]

These people are accustomed to living under oppressive dictators, who rule with an iron fist and keep them in line with merciless methods. Here in Europe, they no longer feel the master's whip always within striking distance of their backs, and that gives these folks a sense of impunity and all-permittedness. After all, the worst they can get here is a stay in prison that is comparable to a three-star hotel, their every demand and complaint being heard, where back at home they'd get a severe beating just for daring to speak to the guards out of turn.

Oh right, we forget every single refugee and immigrant are all a bunch of barbaric Durka Durkas that Hate Freedom.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

Integration in any form will never work if the subjects in question do not want to integrate. There can be no integration if one side deems (somewhat rightly) the other to be morally-degenerate, cowardly, effete and pussy-whipped weaklings who are fair game to assault, rob, rape and kill simply because they don't fight back.

These people are accustomed to living under oppressive dictators, who rule with an iron fist and keep them in line with merciless methods. Here in Europe, they no longer feel the master's whip always within striking distance of their backs, and that gives these folks a sense of impunity and all-permittedness. After all, the worst they can get here is a stay in prison that is comparable to a three-star hotel, their every demand and complaint being heard, where back at home they'd get a severe beating just for daring to speak to the guards out of turn.

So there are no easy solutions to this that would be comfortable with the liberal establishment, whose ongoing attempts to cover up these recent incidents and their true extent is nothing short of profoundly disgusting.

What evidence of a coverup is there?

http://www.n24.de/n24/Nachrichten/Polit ... iern-.html

The anonymous interview with one of the policemen who was on the scene markedly contradicts the official statements that attempt to downplay the incident or the extent of migrant involvement in it. The policeman himself expresses surprise about many facts being omitted in the official statement and explicitly identifies the attackers as migrants.

Also, according to recent news, Cologne police chief has been fired over attempted cover-up after the city mayor noted discrepancies in his official report with the reports of officers who were on site.

[Vassenor]

Or let me put it another way. They had every right to publish what they did, but you do a disservice to their memory and perceived sacrifice when you turn them into a stick and use it to oppress the free speech of others. When you use them to shut down any viewpoint on Islam that does not mesh with your narrative about how evil and barbaric all Muslims are.

They never wanted to shut down anything, they never advocated for taking free speech rights away from Muslims, they merely depicted the barbaric nature of the Koran, and that pissed of Muslims, some of which actually do want to take free speech rights away from everybody and institute Sharia Law.

They were more or less shot for using their right to freedom off speech, and they effectively sacrificed their lives because they exercised that right. Some of the shit they said was controversial and offensive, but that is the point of free speech. If you cannot stand that, go back to your "Safe space" or whatever the hell they call it now.

I didn't say they were. I said people are using what happened to them in order to do that.

[Vassenor]

This isn't tumblr. Triggering isn't a thing here.

Are you denying the validity of this so-called "triggering"?

I am wondering why you are trying to apply tumblrisms to me.

[The Alma Mater]

Are you denying the validity of this so-called "triggering"?

I am wondering why you are trying to apply tumblrisms to me.

Eehm; the use of the term is slightly more widespread than tumblr you know

[Gauthier]

Are you denying the validity of this so-called "triggering"?

I am wondering why you are trying to apply tumblrisms to me.

The assumption that anyone who doesn't think all Muslims are backwards barbaric freedom hating Durka Durkas are trigger sensitive SJW tumblrinas.

[The Alma Mater]

I am wondering why you are trying to apply tumblrisms to me.

The assumption that anyone who doesn't think all Muslims are backwards barbaric freedom hating Durka Durkas are trigger sensitive SJW tumblrinas.

Freedom is the only way youknow.

[Vassenor]

The assumption that anyone who doesn't think all Muslims are backwards barbaric freedom hating Durka Durkas are trigger sensitive SJW tumblrinas.

Freedom is the only way youknow.

Which includes the freedom of religion you seek to deny them, ironically.

[The Alma Mater]

Freedom is the only way youknow.

Which includes the freedom of religion you seek to deny them, ironically.

That was not in the movie

[The Nuclear Fist]

And here's the thing. If you insult someone, and they punch you in the face for it, are you entirely blameless? If you take an action, you accept responsibility for the consequences of your actions.

"If you insult islam or Mohammad then it's your fault you get massacred. Freedom of speech? Lol what's that?"

And I thought the PC bro types were against victim blaming.

[Aelex]

I didn't say they were. I said people are using what happened to them in order to do that.

Yet you're still justifying the righteousness of the people who attacked them. Anglo-Saxon liberalism to it's finest.

[Gauthier]

Freedom is the only way youknow.

Which includes the freedom of religion you seek to deny them, ironically.

Freedom doesn't apply to terrorists, silly.

[Vassenor]

I didn't say they were. I said people are using what happened to them in order to do that.

Yet you're still justifying the righteousness of the people who attacked them. Anglo-Saxon liberalism to it's finest.

Show me where I did that. Saying that you must be prepared for backlash is not the same as saying that the people doing the backlash were right to do it.

[Gauthier]

Freedom is the only way youknow.

Which includes the freedom of religion you seek to deny them, ironically.

Classic justifying of real life flamebaiting with cries of victim blaming.

[Iwassoclose]

The number and scale of sexual assaults has never happened before, in its scale and similarity in these countries.

This leads me to an amusing thought about the burka.

New Year’s Eve sex assaults also reported in Finland, Sweden and Austria

WOMEN in other European cities were the targets of sex attacks on New Year’s Eve, similar to a spate of apparently co-ordinated sexual assaults on women in Germany.

Police in the western German city of Cologne said they had received 120 criminal complaints by Thursday and quoted witnesses as saying that groups of 20-30 young men “who appeared to be of Arab origin” had surrounded victims, assaulted them and in several cases robbed them on New Year’s Eve.

Similarly Finnish police have revealed an unusually high level of sexual harassment in Helsinki on New Year’s Eve and said they had been tipped off about plans by groups of asylum seekers to sexually harass women.
Police officers survey the area in front of the main train station and the Cathedral in Cologne. Picture: AFP / DPA / Maja Hitij

Police officers survey the area in front of the main train station and the Cathedral in Cologne. Picture: AFP / DPA / Maja HitijSource:AFP

Swiss police said several women were allegedly robbed and sexually assaulted in Zurich on New Year’s Eve, adding the attack method appeared “a little bit similar” to that used in a spate of assaults in Germany.

And it has now emerged that similar sex attacks were carried out in Austria, but police didn’t publicise the incidents “to protect the privacy of the victims”.

The incidents only came to light after several females came forward to complain to local media.

One identified as Sabrina S (not her real name) told Austrian newspaper Osterreich that she and her friends were attacked by a group of 10-15 men while walking home from a new club in the historic district of Salzburg.

“A friend was grabbed by one of the men and put into a headlock. Her face was in his jacket. He cuddled her and licked her face. She then said that she had no strength to free herself, she was completely at his mercy,” Sabrina said.

Scene of mass sex attack ... Fireworks explode over the river Rhine in front of the Great Saint Martin Church and the Cologne Cathedral during New Year's celebrations in Cologne.

Scene of mass sex attack ... Fireworks explode over the river Rhine in front of the Great Saint Martin Church and the Cologne Cathedral during New Year's celebrations in Cologne.Source:AFP

It was only after she managed to hit and kick the attacker that her group was able to flee. She claimed to be aware of many other incidents after posting a warning on Facebook.

“Some wrote me that they were greatly distressed at the state bridge, the Makartsteg or the railway station. A girl has even reported it to have been abducted almost New Year’s Eve at the Town Hall by a group,” Sabrina said.

Helsinki deputy police chief Ilkka Koskimaki told AFP: “There hasn’t been this kind of harassment on previous New Year’s Eves or other occasions for that matter ... This is a completely new phenomenon in Helsinki.”

Security guards hired to patrol the city on New Year’s Eve told police there had been “widespread sexual harassment” at a central square where around 20,000 people had gathered for celebrations.

Three sexual assaults allegedly took place at Helsinki’s central railway station on New Year’s Eve, where around 1000 mostly Iraqi asylum seekers had converged.

“Police have ... received information about three cases of sexual assault, of which two have been filed as complaints,” Helsinki police said in a statement.

People protest in front of the main station in Cologne on January 6. The poster reads: ‘No to Racism, No to Sexism’. Picture: AP / Hermann J. Knippertz

People protest in front of the main station in Cologne on January 6. The poster reads: ‘No to Racism, No to Sexism’. Picture: AP / Hermann J. KnippertzSource:AP

“The suspects were asylum seekers. The three were caught and taken into custody on the spot,” Koskimaki told AFP.

Police said they had increased their preparedness “to an exceptional level” in Helsinki for New Year’s Eve after being tipped off about possible problems.

“Ahead of New Year’s Eve, the police caught wind of information that asylum seekers in the capital region possibly had similar plans to what the men gathered in Cologne’s railway station have been reported to have had,” police said in a statement.

Koskimaki said police did not see a link between the Cologne and Helsinki incidents.

Shortly before New Year’s Eve, Finnish police also arrested six Iraqis at an asylum residency centre in Kirkkonummi, around 30km west of Helsinki, suspected of “publicly inciting criminal behaviour”. They were released on January 2.
Security fears ... People walk in front of the main railway station in Cologne where apparently co-ordinated sex attacks were perpetred during New Year's Eve.

Security fears ... People walk in front of the main railway station in Cologne where apparently co-ordinated sex attacks were perpetred during New Year's Eve.Source:AFP

According to Koskimaki, the arrests were linked to the information police received in the run-up to New Year’s Eve.

In November, Finnish authorities said around 10 asylum seekers were suspected of rapes, among the more than 1000 rapes reported to police in 2015.

In Zurich, six women reported being surrounded by “several dark-skinned men”, who had robbed, groped and molested them, police said, adding that this was an unusually high number for Switzerland.

A police statement mentioned the shocking rash of sexual assaults in several Germany cities also on New Year’s Eve.

“It’s a little bit similar,” Zurich police spokesman Marco Cortesi told AFP, stressing though that the scale of the alleged attacks was “difficult to compare.”

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/new ... 96fe299b97