You reap what you sow? Mass sexual assault in Germany

[Alvecia]

So history repeats itself. Deal with it. Last time we had such a pogrom was back in '38; who knows, Germany may be heading down that road for a third time within two centuries. Whether or not the world will once again have to bomb it back to its senses, we'll see, but one thing's for sure that we can slowly say goodbye to these 'universal values' which we thought the whole world shared- freedom of speech and conscience, equality- which are continuously being destroyed by the West and its self-styled "liberals".

Continue to be politically correct. Continue to talk only to people who agree with you, continue to not even look at those who disagree. Continue to support your regimes which are doing all they can to promote islamic fundamentalism. Charlie Hebdo was the last bastion, and you helped destroy it. Regardless, whether or not you'll realize what you have done- God bless, it was a good time.

[Gauthier]

So history repeats itself. Deal with it. Last time we had such a pogrom was back in '38; who knows, Germany may be heading down that road for a third time within two centuries. Whether or not the world will once again have to bomb it back to its senses, we'll see, but one thing's for sure that we can slowly say goodbye to these 'universal values' which we thought the whole world shared- freedom of speech and conscience, equality- which are continuously being destroyed by the West and its self-styled "liberals".

Continue to be politically correct. Continue to talk only to people who agree with you, continue to not even look at those who disagree. Continue to support your regimes which are doing all they can to promote islamic fundamentalism. Charlie Hebdo was the last bastion, and you helped destroy it. Regardless, whether or not you'll realize what you have done- God bless, it was a good time.

Say, does anyone know what "blitzkrieg" is in Arabic?

[Vassenor]

So history repeats itself. Deal with it. Last time we had such a pogrom was back in '38; who knows, Germany may be heading down that road for a third time within two centuries. Whether or not the world will once again have to bomb it back to its senses, we'll see, but one thing's for sure that we can slowly say goodbye to these 'universal values' which we thought the whole world shared- freedom of speech and conscience, equality- which are continuously being destroyed by the West and its self-styled "liberals".

Continue to be politically correct. Continue to talk only to people who agree with you, continue to not even look at those who disagree. Continue to support your regimes which are doing all they can to promote islamic fundamentalism. Charlie Hebdo was the last bastion, and you helped destroy it. Regardless, whether or not you'll realize what you have done- God bless, it was a good time.

I'm seeing a pot to kettle moment here. Since I could argue that your constant attempts to shut down any positive depiction or mention of Islam also constitute an attack on those same "universal values" that you claim we have no respect for. Where is the freedom of speech and conscience if we can't talk about another culture in a positive light? Where is the equality when we regard Muslims as untermenschen just for looking different to us or worshipping the same god in a different way?

[Alvecia]

Say, does anyone know what "blitzkrieg" is in Arabic?

الحرب الخاطفة

[Gauthier]

So history repeats itself. Deal with it. Last time we had such a pogrom was back in '38; who knows, Germany may be heading down that road for a third time within two centuries. Whether or not the world will once again have to bomb it back to its senses, we'll see, but one thing's for sure that we can slowly say goodbye to these 'universal values' which we thought the whole world shared- freedom of speech and conscience, equality- which are continuously being destroyed by the West and its self-styled "liberals".

Continue to be politically correct. Continue to talk only to people who agree with you, continue to not even look at those who disagree. Continue to support your regimes which are doing all they can to promote islamic fundamentalism. Charlie Hebdo was the last bastion, and you helped destroy it. Regardless, whether or not you'll realize what you have done- God bless, it was a good time.

I'm seeing a pot to kettle moment here. Since I could argue that your constant attempts to shut down any positive depiction or mention of Islam also constitute an attack on those same "universal values" that you claim we have no respect for. Where is the freedom of speech and conscience if we can't talk about another culture in a positive light? Where is the equality when we regard Muslims as untermenschen just for looking different to us or worshipping the same god in a different way?

Isn't it obvious, dude? The moderate Muslims are actually homing beacons for jihadis and rapists! /s

[West Aurelia]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but only 31 people, 18 of whom were asylum seekers, were involved in the violence, which mostly did not involve sexual assault. Of course, the number of assaulters could increase, but it definitely wasn't a "thousand" people.

[Vassenor]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but only 31 people, 18 of whom were asylum seekers, were involved in the violence, which mostly did not involve sexual assault. Of course, the number of assaulters could increase, but it definitely wasn't a "thousand" people.

Hyperbole is a valuable tool in trying to generate a moral panic.

[Remonetise]

First, because those are not racially / religiously motivated crimes.

Please tell me you didn't actually intimate that rapes were religiously motivated crimes. Rape is the fault of the malicious characters of certain individuals regardless of religious status or even race, not by the mandate of some religion. The individual who committed the act is always the guilty party in cases of rape. Whatever they claim was their motivation is just an excuse for their weak moral fiber and character defects. Religion can't make you do anything. It's a concept, an ideal, something to believe in. Anything you do in the name of religion is your own personal choice, not the choice of a concept.

[West Aurelia]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but only 31 people, 18 of whom were asylum seekers, were involved in the violence, which mostly did not involve sexual assault. Of course, the number of assaulters could increase, but it definitely wasn't a "thousand" people.

Hyperbole is a valuable tool in trying to generate a moral panic.

Especially ridiculous in this case with the jump from 31 to 1,000.

[Gauthier]

First, because those are not racially / religiously motivated crimes.

Please tell me you didn't actually intimate that rapes were religiously motivated crimes. Rape is the fault of the malicious characters of certain individuals regardless of religious status or even race, not by the mandate of some religion. The individual who committed the act is always the guilty party in cases of rape. Whatever they claim was their motivation is just an excuse for their weak moral fiber and character defects. Religion can't make you do anything. It's a concept, an ideal, something to believe in. Anything you do in the name of religion is your own personal choice, not the choice of a concept.

Next thing you know people will start claiming Muslims sacrifice children and use their blood in making pita bread and that Allah is really Cthulhu in disguise.

[Alvecia]

Please tell me you didn't actually intimate that rapes were religiously motivated crimes. Rape is the fault of the malicious characters of certain individuals regardless of religious status or even race, not by the mandate of some religion. The individual who committed the act is always the guilty party in cases of rape. Whatever they claim was their motivation is just an excuse for their weak moral fiber and character defects. Religion can't make you do anything. It's a concept, an ideal, something to believe in. Anything you do in the name of religion is your own personal choice, not the choice of a concept.

Next thing you know people will start claiming Muslims sacrifice children and use their blood in making pita bread and that Allah is really Cthulhu in disguise.

As an atheist I can confirm that childrens blood pita tastes delicious.

[Vassenor]

Please tell me you didn't actually intimate that rapes were religiously motivated crimes. Rape is the fault of the malicious characters of certain individuals regardless of religious status or even race, not by the mandate of some religion. The individual who committed the act is always the guilty party in cases of rape. Whatever they claim was their motivation is just an excuse for their weak moral fiber and character defects. Religion can't make you do anything. It's a concept, an ideal, something to believe in. Anything you do in the name of religion is your own personal choice, not the choice of a concept.

Next thing you know people will start claiming Muslims sacrifice children and use their blood in making pita bread and that Allah is really Cthulhu in disguise.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

[Krumbia]

Hyperbole is a valuable tool in trying to generate a moral panic.

Especially ridiculous in this case with the jump from 31 to 1,000.

From the images and video I've seen, the crowd was very large, possibly around 1,000 people. The number of people participating in sexual violence would have been much smaller, however, but may well still be larger than the number reported by the German authorities. Partly because a number of the assaults would not have been reported.

[Murovanka]

I'm seeing a pot to kettle moment here. Since I could argue that your constant attempts to shut down any positive depiction or mention of Islam also constitute an attack on those same "universal values" that you claim we have no respect for. Where is the freedom of speech and conscience if we can't talk about another culture in a positive light? Where is the equality when we regard Muslims as untermenschen just for looking different to us or worshipping the same god in a different way?

Positive depiction? Isn't that obviously everywhere? It's common knowledge that Islam is a religion of peace now, and that terrorists have no religion. Right? Let me ask you, where is the freedom of speech and conscience if we can't talk about another culture, another religion, in a negative light? Charlie Hebdo did so, as satire, and liberals around the world deemed it insensitive and I dare say many thought that they shuoldn't have been allowed to publish. Then you have muslims around the world agreeing with these "terrorists", just disagreeing on the methods.

Keep trying to call me racist. What's more racist perhaps is the West's liberal's belief that their morality and values is superior than that of the so-called "terrorists" (how about Sunni freedom fighters, for ISIS?). Do I think it is superior? No, but in this multicultural world it's necessary.

[Vassenor]

I'm seeing a pot to kettle moment here. Since I could argue that your constant attempts to shut down any positive depiction or mention of Islam also constitute an attack on those same "universal values" that you claim we have no respect for. Where is the freedom of speech and conscience if we can't talk about another culture in a positive light? Where is the equality when we regard Muslims as untermenschen just for looking different to us or worshipping the same god in a different way?

Positive depiction? Isn't that obviously everywhere? It's common knowledge that Islam is a religion of peace now, and that terrorists have no religion. Right? Let me ask you, where is the freedom of speech and conscience if we can't talk about another culture, another religion, in a negative light? Charlie Hebdo did so, as satire, and liberals around the world deemed it insensitive and I dare say many thought that they shuoldn't have been allowed to publish. Then you have muslims around the world agreeing with these "terrorists", just disagreeing on the methods.

Keep trying to call me racist. What's more racist perhaps is the West's liberal's belief that their morality and values is superior than that of the so-called "terrorists" (how about Sunni freedom fighters, for ISIS?). Do I think it is superior? No, but in this multicultural world it's necessary.

Where am I saying you can't discuss them negatively? Where have I actually called you racist?

And here's the thing. If you insult someone, and they punch you in the face for it, are you entirely blameless? If you take an action, you accept responsibility for the consequences of your actions.

I guess it's funny. People hold up Charlie Hebdo as a shining bastion of free speech while using them as an excuse to suppress the free speech of others.

[West Aurelia]

Especially ridiculous in this case with the jump from 31 to 1,000.

From the images and video I've seen, the crowd was very large, possibly around 1,000 people. The number of people participating in sexual violence would have been much smaller, however, but may well still be larger than the number reported by the German authorities. Partly because a number of the assaults would not have been reported.

I haven't seen the pictures, so I could be wrong.

[Krumbia]

From the images and video I've seen, the crowd was very large, possibly around 1,000 people. The number of people participating in sexual violence would have been much smaller, however, but may well still be larger than the number reported by the German authorities. Partly because a number of the assaults would not have been reported.

I haven't seen the pictures, so I could be wrong.

There are two decent (for footage) videos I've found, here and here.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

Please tell me you didn't actually intimate that rapes were religiously motivated crimes. Rape is the fault of the malicious characters of certain individuals regardless of religious status or even race, not by the mandate of some religion. The individual who committed the act is always the guilty party in cases of rape. Whatever they claim was their motivation is just an excuse for their weak moral fiber and character defects. Religion can't make you do anything. It's a concept, an ideal, something to believe in. Anything you do in the name of religion is your own personal choice, not the choice of a concept.

Next thing you know people will start claiming Muslims sacrifice children and use their blood in making pita bread and that Allah is really Cthulhu in disguise.

Wait... Are you suggesting that they don't?

[Krumbia]

The problem is not so much that the perpetrators were Muslim, because for all we know, not all of them were. The problem is that they came from either North Africa and the Middle East, and it was their cultural background that led them to perpetrate mass, coordinated sexual assaults, and general civil disturbances (such as launching illegal fireworks) on the streets of Cologne. The problem primarily seems to be that, what a surprise, thousands of Arabic and North African men cannot instantly integrate themselves into Western European culture. Immigration is about integration into a nation, and to do that properly it takes time. It also means that it must be done in much smaller groups than one million. Integration is also far more effective when all the immigrants don't just stay together and live with each other.

[Vassenor]

The problem is not so much that the perpetrators were Muslim, because for all we know, not all of them were. The problem is that they came from either North Africa and the Middle East, and it was their cultural background that led them to perpetrate mass, coordinated sexual assaults, and general civil disturbances (such as launching illegal fireworks) on the streets of Cologne. The problem primarily seems to be that, what a surprise, thousands of Arabic and North African men cannot instantly integrate themselves into Western European culture. Immigration is about integration into a nation, and to do that properly it takes time. It also means that it must be done in much smaller groups than one million. Integration is also far more effective when all the immigrants don't just stay together and live with each other.

But how do we achieve that when the loudest voices want them kicked out for being different?

[The Conez Imperium]

I haven't seen the pictures, so I could be wrong.

There are two decent (for footage) videos I've found, here and here.

That was feral to watch...

[Remonetise]

The problem primarily seems to be that, what a surprise, thousands of Arabic and North African men cannot instantly integrate themselves into Western European culture. Immigration is about integration into a nation, and to do that properly it takes time. It also means that it must be done in much smaller groups than one million. Integration is also far more effective when all the immigrants don't just stay together and live with each other.

But how do we achieve that when the loudest voices want them kicked out for being different?

How many people would be comfortable with attempting instant integration into communities with many voices that clearly ascribe the behavior of the worst to their own characters? They probably feel safer living together, as they at least know what to expect from their own communities. Even citizens tend to cleave to areas where they feel most comfortable, usually among similar people with similar ideals.

[Krumbia]

But how do we achieve that when the loudest voices want them kicked out for being different?

How many people would be comfortable with attempting instant integration into communities with many voices that clearly ascribe the behavior of the worst to their own characters? They probably feel safer living together, as they at least know what to expect from their own communities. Even citizens tend to cleave to areas where they feel most comfortable, usually among similar people with similar ideals.

If that leads to mass sexual assaults, then we begin to have an enormous problem. I don't profess to know how to deal with it, save the most obvious choice, which is to stop them entering the country in the first place.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

The problem is not so much that the perpetrators were Muslim, because for all we know, not all of them were. The problem is that they came from either North Africa and the Middle East, and it was their cultural background that led them to perpetrate mass, coordinated sexual assaults, and general civil disturbances (such as launching illegal fireworks) on the streets of Cologne. The problem primarily seems to be that, what a surprise, thousands of Arabic and North African men cannot instantly integrate themselves into Western European culture. Immigration is about integration into a nation, and to do that properly it takes time. It also means that it must be done in much smaller groups than one million. Integration is also far more effective when all the immigrants don't just stay together and live with each other.

Integration in any form will never work if the subjects in question do not want to integrate. There can be no integration if one side deems (somewhat rightly) the other to be morally-degenerate, cowardly, effete and pussy-whipped weaklings who are fair game to assault, rob, rape and kill simply because they don't fight back.

These people are accustomed to living under oppressive dictators, who rule with an iron fist and keep them in line with merciless methods. Here in Europe, they no longer feel the master's whip always within striking distance of their backs, and that gives these folks a sense of impunity and all-permittedness. After all, the worst they can get here is a stay in prison that is comparable to a three-star hotel, their every demand and complaint being heard, where back at home they'd get a severe beating just for daring to speak to the guards out of turn.

So there are no easy solutions to this that would be comfortable with the liberal establishment, whose ongoing attempts to cover up these recent incidents and their true extent is nothing short of profoundly disgusting.

[Vassenor]

The problem is not so much that the perpetrators were Muslim, because for all we know, not all of them were. The problem is that they came from either North Africa and the Middle East, and it was their cultural background that led them to perpetrate mass, coordinated sexual assaults, and general civil disturbances (such as launching illegal fireworks) on the streets of Cologne. The problem primarily seems to be that, what a surprise, thousands of Arabic and North African men cannot instantly integrate themselves into Western European culture. Immigration is about integration into a nation, and to do that properly it takes time. It also means that it must be done in much smaller groups than one million. Integration is also far more effective when all the immigrants don't just stay together and live with each other.

Integration in any form will never work if the subjects in question do not want to integrate. There can be no integration if one side deems (somewhat rightly) the other to be morally-degenerate, cowardly, effete and pussy-whipped weaklings who are fair game to assault, rob, rape and kill simply because they don't fight back.

These people are accustomed to living under oppressive dictators, who rule with an iron fist and keep them in line with merciless methods. Here in Europe, they no longer feel the master's whip always within striking distance of their backs, and that gives these folks a sense of impunity and all-permittedness. After all, the worst they can get here is a stay in prison that is comparable to a three-star hotel, their every demand and complaint being heard, where back at home they'd get a severe beating just for daring to speak to the guards out of turn.

So there are no easy solutions to this that would be comfortable with the liberal establishment, whose ongoing attempts to cover up these recent incidents and their true extent is nothing short of profoundly disgusting.

What evidence of a coverup is there?