You reap what you sow? Mass sexual assault in Germany

[The Matthew Islands]

Where?

All of the Abrahamic religions say bad things about certain subjects if viewed from a current understanding of morality.
In the Bible's case, it is from Mosaic law.

“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives” (Deuteronomy 22:28–29).

I meant, what current country in the world uses a biblical law that forces a rapist to marry their victim? It's pointless to just sit there and say 'oh well in the bible as well' because what country is using it like that?

[Faustian Fantasies]

Stunning how easily we forget that a small sample doesn't necessarily represent the general population.

[North Calaveras]

All of the Abrahamic religions say bad things about certain subjects if viewed from a current understanding of morality.
In the Bible's case, it is from Mosaic law.

“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives” (Deuteronomy 22:28–29).

I meant, what current country in the world uses a biblical law that forces a rapist to marry their victim? It's pointless to just sit there and say 'oh well in the bible as well' because what country is using it like that?

exactly, these people love to go " Well it's not any different than the bible"

the bible doesn't stretch across he middle east and parts of Africa(except for maybe the LRA, but they are small frys)

point is, Islam DOMINATES the political landscape of many nations and shariah has FAR more influence than biblical law.

[The Nuclear Fist]

News from Sweden. Muslim stabs a classmate, an Lithuanian because he was protecting girls from the Muslim`s sexual harassment. Of course the Muslims came to Sweden as a refugee.

https://translate.google.com/translate? ... invandrare
http://lietuvosdiena.lrytas.lt/aktualij ... -tevai.htm

The punishment for a migrant or refugee committing a crime should be having their refugee/immigrant status immediately revoked, along with tgem being deported.

[The Matthew Islands]

News from Sweden. Muslim stabs a classmate, an Lithuanian because he was protecting girls from the Muslim`s sexual harassment. Of course the Muslims came to Sweden as a refugee.

https://translate.google.com/translate? ... invandrare
http://lietuvosdiena.lrytas.lt/aktualij ... -tevai.htm

The punishment for a migrant or refugee committing a crime should be having their refugee/immigrant status immediately revoked, along with tgem being deported.

I'm pretty sure the European court of Human rights has been telling the UK that it isn't allowed to do that for quite a while so I can't see Germany getting away with it.

[The Nuclear Fist]

The punishment for a migrant or refugee committing a crime should be having their refugee/immigrant status immediately revoked, along with tgem being deported.

I'm pretty sure the European court of Human rights has been telling the UK that it isn't allowed to do that for quite a while so I can't see Germany getting away with it.

Then the ECHR needs to go fuck itself.

[The Matthew Islands]

I'm pretty sure the European court of Human rights has been telling the UK that it isn't allowed to do that for quite a while so I can't see Germany getting away with it.

Then the ECHR needs to go fuck itself.

I have to be honest, I find your stance on this issue rather puzzling since IIRC you are Romani. I would have thought you would have been more inclined to be against the removal of refugees.

[Vassenor]

I'm pretty sure the European court of Human rights has been telling the UK that it isn't allowed to do that for quite a while so I can't see Germany getting away with it.

Then the ECHR needs to go fuck itself.

Remember, brown people don't have human rights.

[Lordieth]

All of the Abrahamic religions say bad things about certain subjects if viewed from a current understanding of morality.
In the Bible's case, it is from Mosaic law.

“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives” (Deuteronomy 22:28–29).

I meant, what current country in the world uses a biblical law that forces a rapist to marry their victim? It's pointless to just sit there and say 'oh well in the bible as well' because what country is using it like that?

Christianity had a reaffirmation, and moved away from some of the Bible's more questionable teaching. Islam has not. You can't compare the two religions as they are today, even if the scripture is equally as abhorrent in some of its teachings, so I don't know why anyone does either.

[Alsheb]

I meant, what current country in the world uses a biblical law that forces a rapist to marry their victim? It's pointless to just sit there and say 'oh well in the bible as well' because what country is using it like that?

Christianity had a reaffirmation, and moved away from some of the Bible's more questionable teaching. Islam has not. You can't compare the two religions as they are today, even if the scripture is equally as abhorrent in some of its teachings, so I don't know why anyone does either.

Even though practically none of those "biblical laws" are in the Quran, and therefore not inherently part of Islam at all, you claim that Islam " has not had it's reaffirmation"?
Sure, that's why countries such as the largest Muslim nation on the planet, Indonesia, practices none of those archaic laws whatsoever. And does not have laws against things like homosexuality either, might I add.
In fact, almost all of those "archaic" laws aren't archaic (i.e. old and traditional) at all. Usually they come forth from a conservative political ideology that spouses repressive laws and practices with little to no basis in actual religion.

[North Calaveras]

Christianity had a reaffirmation, and moved away from some of the Bible's more questionable teaching. Islam has not. You can't compare the two religions as they are today, even if the scripture is equally as abhorrent in some of its teachings, so I don't know why anyone does either.

Even though practically none of those "biblical laws" are in the Quran, and therefore not inherently part of Islam at all, you claim that Islam " has not had it's reaffirmation"?
Sure, that's why countries such as the largest Muslim nation on the planet, Indonesia, practices none of those archaic laws whatsoever. And does not have laws against things like homosexuality either, might I add.
In fact, almost all of those "archaic" laws aren't archaic (i.e. old and traditional) at all. Usually they come forth from a conservative political ideology that spouses repressive laws and practices with little to no basis in actual religion.

it dosn't matter, they are incorporated within islam and the culture, sorry, that's reality and the reality is Islam is a far more conservative and radical force in the world today than Christianity, the amount of daily attacks by islamic groups dwarfs christian ones by far and in general islamic countrys tend to have shitty human rights records.

Christianity has it's bad apples and I'm not saying all muslims are bad, but the potential for radicalization and in general far more conservatism comes from the muslim world. Just because indonesia is good to go dosn't make them the standard, the middle east is by far the more influencial arena of islam, with many holy sites being there as well.

We can agree that Islam and Christianity have horrible laws attributed to their doctrine...but Islam in this day in age is the far more radical in it's actions, being a GLOBAL issue in terms of terrorism.

You can say " oh well those aren't real muslims" hey...no true scotsman...

[Saiwania]

Sure, that's why countries such as the largest Muslim nation on the planet, Indonesia, practices none of those archaic laws whatsoever. And does not have laws against things like homosexuality either, might I add.

Ever hear about Indonesia's Aceh province? There they practice Sharia law and I believe that so far, locals have carried out more than just brutal canings for adultery or gambling.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... udent.html

[Novus America]

Christianity had a reaffirmation, and moved away from some of the Bible's more questionable teaching. Islam has not. You can't compare the two religions as they are today, even if the scripture is equally as abhorrent in some of its teachings, so I don't know why anyone does either.

Even though practically none of those "biblical laws" are in the Quran, and therefore not inherently part of Islam at all, you claim that Islam " has not had it's reaffirmation"?
Sure, that's why countries such as the largest Muslim nation on the planet, Indonesia, practices none of those archaic laws whatsoever. And does not have laws against things like homosexuality either, might I add.
In fact, almost all of those "archaic" laws aren't archaic (i.e. old and traditional) at all. Usually they come forth from a conservative political ideology that spouses repressive laws and practices with little to no basis in actual religion.

But most Muslims seem to put way more actual emphasis on the Hadith anyway.
The problem is far more from the Haddith.

[Alsheb]

Sure, that's why countries such as the largest Muslim nation on the planet, Indonesia, practices none of those archaic laws whatsoever. And does not have laws against things like homosexuality either, might I add.

Ever hear about Indonesia's Aceh province? There they practice Sharia law and I believe that so far, locals have carried out more than just brutal canings for adultery or gambling.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... udent.html

Ever heard about the rest of Indonesia outside of Aceh province?
Aceh as basically seceded from Indonesia in all but name.

[Alsheb]

Even though practically none of those "biblical laws" are in the Quran, and therefore not inherently part of Islam at all, you claim that Islam " has not had it's reaffirmation"?
Sure, that's why countries such as the largest Muslim nation on the planet, Indonesia, practices none of those archaic laws whatsoever. And does not have laws against things like homosexuality either, might I add.
In fact, almost all of those "archaic" laws aren't archaic (i.e. old and traditional) at all. Usually they come forth from a conservative political ideology that spouses repressive laws and practices with little to no basis in actual religion.

But most Muslims seem to put way more actual emphasis on the Hadith anyway.
The problem is far more from the Haddith.

No argument from me there, the Hadiths are in my opinion the main problem that Islamic theology is facing right now.
Which is why I said such practices and punishments are generally not inherently part of Islam. It does not appear in the Quran, which is the word of God. Ergo, it is not fundamental to the Islamic faith.

[North Calaveras]

Ever hear about Indonesia's Aceh province? There they practice Sharia law and I believe that so far, locals have carried out more than just brutal canings for adultery or gambling.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... udent.html

Ever heard about the rest of Indonesia outside of Aceh province?
Aceh as basically seceded from Indonesia in all but name.

that just shows the radicalism, a sect of the nation practically cut itself off because of Islam.

[Kubra]

Sure, that's why countries such as the largest Muslim nation on the planet, Indonesia, practices none of those archaic laws whatsoever. And does not have laws against things like homosexuality either, might I add.

Ever hear about Indonesia's Aceh province? There they practice Sharia law and I believe that so far, locals have carried out more than just brutal canings for adultery or gambling.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... udent.html

the special status of sharia was legalized by the the Indonesian government itself, likely to weaken the influence of the nationalists who ran the original insurgency.

[North Calaveras]

Ever hear about Indonesia's Aceh province? There they practice Sharia law and I believe that so far, locals have carried out more than just brutal canings for adultery or gambling.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... udent.html

the special status of sharia was legalized by the the Indonesian government itself, likely to weaken the influence of the nationalists who ran the original insurgency.

that's the problem RIGHT THERE.

[Novorobo]

So what's the holdup on deporting the rapists, anyway?

[Kubra]

the special status of sharia was legalized by the the Indonesian government itself, likely to weaken the influence of the nationalists who ran the original insurgency.

that's the problem RIGHT THERE.

sure, but it's still important to note that it wasn't based off some autonomous movement within aceh itself, there wasn't any centralized Islamic organization in aceh with the political power to pull of such.

[North Calaveras]

that's the problem RIGHT THERE.

sure, but it's still important to note that it wasn't based off some autonomous movement within aceh itself, there wasn't any centralized Islamic organization in aceh with the political power to pull of such.

It really dosn't matter if it's centralized or not, that fact that it became law is the problem.

Picture this situation in the united states, what if Alabama cut itself off from america and then declared biblical law on it's inhabitants

people would go FUCKING APE SHIT.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Then the ECHR needs to go fuck itself.

Remember, brown people don't have human rights.

You could just drop the pretenses and admit you don't actually have any real criticism.

[Kubra]

sure, but it's still important to note that it wasn't based off some autonomous movement within aceh itself, there wasn't any centralized Islamic organization in aceh with the political power to pull of such.

It really dosn't matter if it's centralized or not, that fact that it became law is the problem.

Picture this situation in the united states, what if Alabama cut itself off from america and then declared biblical law on it's inhabitants

people would go FUCKING APE SHIT.

it's more like if the President gave an executive order granting Alabama biblical law after a nasty dispute over sales tax.

[North Calaveras]

It really dosn't matter if it's centralized or not, that fact that it became law is the problem.

Picture this situation in the united states, what if Alabama cut itself off from america and then declared biblical law on it's inhabitants

people would go FUCKING APE SHIT.

it's more like if the President gave an executive order granting Alabama biblical law after a nasty dispute over sales tax.

sure it can go like that to, it's shitty no matter how it's dealt.

Islam is simply the biggest problem in the world today in terms of terrorism, especially with the cluster fuck that is the war on terror.

in the cold war it was communist inssurection

we just need to accept that Islam is causing the problems these days in regards to terrorism, the daily attacks and mass casualties on a global level are obvious, yeah america has more attacks by christians...in america but that's just one country.

[Vassenor]

Remember, brown people don't have human rights.

You could just drop the pretenses and admit you don't actually have any real criticism.

So why are you so desperate to see human rights stripped from minority groups you do not like?