You reap what you sow? Mass sexual assault in Germany

[The Alma Mater]

Eeehm, yes it was. Mostly at least.

No, it was some North Africans. Syria is is not in North Africa.

The cops who were actually at the scene claim they identified hundreds of people; and that the overwhelming majority were Syrian refugees. It has also already been confirmed that the German government had a standard policy to downplay or ignore incidents involving refugees, to not add to the negative climate already surrounding them. This last bit backfired immensely.
This information is all in this very thread, complete with sources. Feel free to browse it a bit.

[The balkens]

Every single one of the ones that did this should have their faces and names made public, as well as have their DNA and prints be taken and deported back to whatever smoldering shithole they come from, and banned from entering the EU again. If they get caught in the EU again, some kind of imprisonment should be considered. Something grim, since the EU doesn't allow the death penalty.

No, that would be a terrible idea; What's the obsession with sending criminals back anyway? Whatever happened to just friggin' punishing them in court of law and putting them in jail? Why do people honestly think it's a good idea to repatriate rapists and murderers and releasing them into a population that is already suffering under war and famine?

Because they are not citizens of any European country?

Gee, who wouldve thought that non citizens get deported to the country they came from?

[Novus America]

No, it was some North Africans. Syria is is not in North Africa.

The cops who were actually at the scene claim they identified hundreds of people; and that the overwhelming majority were Syrian refugees. It has also already been confirmed that the German government had a standard policy to downplay or ignore incidents involving refugees, to not add to the negative climate already surrounding them. This last bit backfired immensely.
This information is all in this very thread, complete with sources. Feel free to browse it a bit.

Well there is conflicting information. I will of course concede we do not know everything yet. And the German police have not been giving good information.

The police conduct was deplorable and I have said many immigrants have unacceptable views of women they must change and at least not act on. Remember views are not genetic, they can be changed.

This does not mean all immigrants are bad. But the negative views held by many do need to be addressed.

[Hastrman]

It is indeed a different topic, and the solution is clear to me: The police needs to be better equipped to handle such things, they need to have sufficient resources on hand to deal with such attacks (I mean, come on! Does it really come as a surprise that organized pickpockets would target crowds of drunken people? Really? Why weren't there enough police resources present to even handle that bit?), and we need to keep education people of all walks of life so that we can combat sexual harassment. Oh, and we should never be afraid of reporting the facts, even if they make us feel uncomfortable.

I couldn't agree more.

And what? Large influx of predominantly male migrants under the age of 30 --> Increase in incidence and magnitude of sexual harassment cases.
Your answer: let's not do anything?

No. This isn't a bad idea.

Again, I agree with this measure. Yet again, you should wonder, if there were no significant difference between the way men in Islamic cultures view women and the way Western men view women, why should there be the necessity to "offer migrants a lesson in how to treat women"? In fact, the article you post there cuts right to the chase of the matter I've been trying again and again to explain:

"Fearful of stigmatizing migrants as potential rapists and playing into the hands of anti-immigrant politicians, most European countries have avoided addressing the question of whether men arriving from more conservative societies might get the wrong idea once they move to places where it can seem as if anything goes."

And "more conservative societies" is an understatement.

I am quite sure it does make a difference. We haven't even talked yet about how respondents in those surveys interpret what it means being sexually harassed. The experience of a woman in an Arab country affirming that she has experienced sexual harassment is likely to differ very much from a woman affirming the same in a European country. A woman can feel way safer (in terms of the risk of being sexually harassed) in mass public gatherings on Berlin's Alexanderplatz than on Cairo's Tahrir Square.

A woman can also feel safer in mass public gatherings on Berlin's Alexanderplatz than on the mass transit systems of Mexico, Colombia, Peru, India and Indonesia.

"The poll was conducted in 15 of the world's largest capitals and in New York, the most populous city in the United States.
Polling could not be conducted in five of the largest capitals - Cairo, Dhaka, Kinshasa, Tehran and Baghdad - due to conflict or
YouGov and its polling partners unable to guarantee the necessary online sample of women."

Poll includes only 16 cities. Too irrelevant to make statements based on that. You know, if they included Berlin, maybe it would even rank lower? We'll never know.

It simply means that in Europe we do not have the same discriminatory practices that are nothing short of institutionalised sexual assault. Yes, there may be an underlying commonality of any sexism-related crime related to patriarchal ideas of male dominance. But ignoring the nuances is misconceiving reality. Heck, even talking about nuances here is downplaying it - Europe and Arab countries are worlds apart on this issue.

There are big differences, but on the other hand, as we've seen, the differences are smaller than you often think.

Obviously not small enough, seeing as they need to attend special classes dealing with violence against women.

[Hastrman]

No, it was some North Africans. Syria is is not in North Africa.

The cops who were actually at the scene claim they identified hundreds of people; and that the overwhelming majority were Syrian refugees. It has also already been confirmed that the German government had a standard policy to downplay or ignore incidents involving refugees, to not add to the negative climate already surrounding them. This last bit backfired immensely.
This information is all in this very thread, complete with sources. Feel free to browse it a bit.

No actually, the majority of those identified by the police were Algerians and Moroccans. I think only two or so were Syrian. (I don't know if that's up to date, they might have more Syrian suspects now, but I think by now it is clear that the majority were indeed Algerians and Moroccans.)

In fact, there is enough reason to assume that those North Africans have been in Europe for a while, having spent time in Spain, Italy or France, from where they have been expelled because they cannot enjoy refugee status. The same will apply in Germany, but they have destroyed their identity papers, making it even more difficult to deport them. I know first hand from friends working at first reception refugee camps that the North Africans are the ones standing out the most in terms of felonies. They trade with drugs within the camps, they certainly pose a danger to the families with children there. This is one of the problems of Merkel's open borders announcement and this "we can do it" discourse. People tagged along the wave of war refugees without any legitimate reasons. They are freeloaders, many of them are criminals or at least more prone to crime than the legitimate Syrian war refugees. This is why the mood has shifted in Germany. No Mrs. Merkel, we can't do it anymore.

[The Klishi Islands]

So I've gathered that the vast majority of the attacks were perpetrated by North African immigrants. Does this mean Europe should focus its efforts on accepting Syrian refugees while increasing coast guard protection in the Mediterranean to stem the flow from Africa?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

So I've gathered that the vast majority of the attacks were perpetrated by North African immigrants. Does this mean Europe should focus its efforts on accepting Syrian refugees while increasing coast guard protection in the Mediterranean to stem the flow from Africa?

No. Germany should make a strong and concerted effort to prevent most asylum seekers from entering. Legal applicants with a clean criminal record and steady income/education should be allowed in, nobody else. Most refugees and North African immigrants are simply born into poverty and radicalism. It's a pity, but sending them to Germany isn't going to help them, it's just going to damage the already damaged social cohesion of Germany.

[The Klishi Islands]

So I've gathered that the vast majority of the attacks were perpetrated by North African immigrants. Does this mean Europe should focus its efforts on accepting Syrian refugees while increasing coast guard protection in the Mediterranean to stem the flow from Africa?

No. Germany should make a strong and concerted effort to prevent most asylum seekers from entering. Legal applicants with a clean criminal record and steady income/education should be allowed in, nobody else. Most refugees and North African immigrants are simply born into poverty and radicalism. It's a pity, but sending them to Germany isn't going to help them, it's just going to damage the already damaged social cohesion of Germany.

Most asylum seekers? Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most Syrian refugees fit the "clean criminal record and steady income/education" criteria?

[TheDrunkenLlamas]

So I've gathered that the vast majority of the attacks were perpetrated by North African immigrants. Does this mean Europe should focus its efforts on accepting Syrian refugees while increasing coast guard protection in the Mediterranean to stem the flow from Africa?

No. Germany should make a strong and concerted effort to prevent most asylum seekers from entering. Legal applicants with a clean criminal record and steady income/education should be allowed in, nobody else. Most refugees and North African immigrants are simply born into poverty and radicalism. It's a pity, but sending them to Germany isn't going to help them, it's just going to damage the already damaged social cohesion of Germany.

Funny people said the same thing about letting in the Jews.

[The balkens]

No. Germany should make a strong and concerted effort to prevent most asylum seekers from entering. Legal applicants with a clean criminal record and steady income/education should be allowed in, nobody else. Most refugees and North African immigrants are simply born into poverty and radicalism. It's a pity, but sending them to Germany isn't going to help them, it's just going to damage the already damaged social cohesion of Germany.

Funny people said the same thing about letting in the Jews.

That you cant compare.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

No. Germany should make a strong and concerted effort to prevent most asylum seekers from entering. Legal applicants with a clean criminal record and steady income/education should be allowed in, nobody else. Most refugees and North African immigrants are simply born into poverty and radicalism. It's a pity, but sending them to Germany isn't going to help them, it's just going to damage the already damaged social cohesion of Germany.

Funny people said the same thing about letting in the Jews.

Equating my post to the Holocaust is fallacious at best, and it doesn't refute my post. Most European Jews were well educated and easy to integrate, after all, they were generally in the upper echelons of the European classes, and faced a genocide against them.

None of those points can be said about those in the Islamic faith, simply put. That doesn't mean we should deny all Muslims, but instead have a points based system for immigration, by screening those to see who is the most qualified and capable. A meritocracy, so to speak. Countries like Australia and Denmark have similar systems, and it's worked quite well for them. If this is such a radical approach, then call me an extremist.

[TheDrunkenLlamas]

No, that would be a terrible idea; What's the obsession with sending criminals back anyway? Whatever happened to just friggin' punishing them in court of law and putting them in jail? Why do people honestly think it's a good idea to repatriate rapists and murderers and releasing them into a population that is already suffering under war and famine?

Because their original home societies know how to whip (oftentimes literally) that kind of scum into behaving. Back home, the majority of them wouldn't even think of behaving like they do here, i.e., as a bunch of savage degenerate apes, because the local law and custom tends to dispense swift and very harsh justice for murderers and rapists, be it at the hands of police or government troops, or a mob of the victim's male relatives.

Here in Western Europe, where the authorities pussyfoot around them, granting them the race card to play, and the police are impotent whimps accustomed to generally dealing only with a downtrodden and intimidated populace of unarmed emasculated pacifists, and the worst penalty that sex offenders and murderers can get is a stay in prison comparable to a three-star hotel, these violently antisocial elements have literally nothing to fear. Having grown up in a society that imposes strict rules on everyday life and conduct and has a rather low tolerance for failure to abide them, they perceive the Western lack of such personal restrictions as absolute all-permissiveness, and enjoy it to the fullest extent.

A person accustomed to penalties like summary executions, stoning, necklacing, being beaten to a pulp with rubber sticks and the other staples of Third World justice will not regard being imprisoned in conditions comparable to a luxury hotel as much of a punishment, but more of a reward.

Which is why it is only fitting and proper that migrants convicted of crimes be booted back to whatever shithole they crawled out of, with a stern warning not to return. If they cannot behave like civilized people, they obviously have no place in civilized countries, and considering the effort they put into escaping their war-torn cesspools of homelands, being sent back would also be quite a serious punishment for them in itself.

Not only that, but deporting immigrant criminals would also send a message to the rest that this sort of behaviour will not be tolerated in their destination countries. Deporting them along with their families (provided they have any) would be preferable - being strongly oriented towards family and community, these migrants would be much more motivated to behave if they knew any fuck-up of theirs would also destroy the dreams of easy life for the rest of their relatives, consequently facing pressure to behave from their kin.

Just gonna let this stand as an example of just how awful some people can be to their fellow humans, simply because their skin is brown.

[Baltenstein]

No. Germany should make a strong and concerted effort to prevent most asylum seekers from entering. Legal applicants with a clean criminal record and steady income/education should be allowed in, nobody else. Most refugees and North African immigrants are simply born into poverty and radicalism. It's a pity, but sending them to Germany isn't going to help them, it's just going to damage the already damaged social cohesion of Germany.

Funny people said the same thing about letting in the Jews.

Considering Jews in Europe are increasingly harassed by Muslim immigrants, and more and more are considering emigration, I wonder what they would say about the comparison.

[Esternial]

Funny people said the same thing about letting in the Jews.

Considering Jews in Europe are increasingly harassed by Muslim immigrants, and more and more are considering emigration, I wonder what they would say about the comparison.

Relevance, there is none. Oh ye passed away too soon.

[Kvatchdom]

Funny people said the same thing about letting in the Jews.

Considering Jews in Europe are increasingly harassed by Muslim immigrants, and more and more are considering emigration, I wonder what they would say about the comparison.

I'm being harassed by my fellow Finns for looking foreign, should I consider emigration? No. And neither should the Jews. Toughen up.

[Baltenstein]

Considering Jews in Europe are increasingly harassed by Muslim immigrants, and more and more are considering emigration, I wonder what they would say about the comparison.

Relevance, there is none. Oh ye passed away too soon.

Relations between Jews and Muslims in Europe aren't relevant?

[The balkens]

Relevance, there is none. Oh ye passed away too soon.

Relations between Jews and Muslims in Europe aren't relevant?

I'd say there is plenty of relevance. Were assaults common before the mass immigration began?

[Esternial]

Relevance, there is none. Oh ye passed away too soon.

Relations between Jews and Muslims in Europe aren't relevant?

As relevant as the sugar content of one single fruit loop in your bowl.

Most normal people care about the sugar content of everything in their bowl. If you haven't caught on yet, I'm saying relationships between everyone and everyone in Europe is relevant. Makes no sense to focus on one particular group save for making an attempt at a weak argument for something nobody cares about (e.g. your response to how "that's the same thing they said about letting in the jews" is somehow wrong because jews probably don't like harassment by muslims either).

Really now. Do you enjoy 'winning' arguments about non-issues?

[Baltenstein]

Relations between Jews and Muslims in Europe aren't relevant?

As relevant as the sugar content of one single fruit loop in your bowl.

Most normal people care about the sugar content of everything in their bowl. If you haven't caught on yet, I'm saying relationships between everyone and everyone in Europe is relevant. Makes no sense to focus on one particular group save for making an attempt at a weak argument for something nobody cares about (e.g. your response to how "that's the same thing they said about letting in the jews" is somehow wrong because jews probably don't like harassment by muslims either).

Really now. Do you enjoy 'winning' arguments about non-issues?

So, when saying that "nobody" cares about this, who gave you the authority to speak for everybody? Zeus?

[Esternial]

As relevant as the sugar content of one single fruit loop in your bowl.

Most normal people care about the sugar content of everything in their bowl. If you haven't caught on yet, I'm saying relationships between everyone and everyone in Europe is relevant. Makes no sense to focus on one particular group save for making an attempt at a weak argument for something nobody cares about (e.g. your response to how "that's the same thing they said about letting in the jews" is somehow wrong because jews probably don't like harassment by muslims either).

Really now. Do you enjoy 'winning' arguments about non-issues?

So, when saying that "nobody" cares about this, who gave you the authority to speak for everybody? Zeus?

So that's the part of my statement you're going to focus on?

Really now. Do you enjoy 'winning' arguments about non-issues?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Relations between Jews and Muslims in Europe aren't relevant?

I'd say there is plenty of relevance. Were assaults common before the mass immigration began?

The Dutch chairman of the Lower House laid down her post. After that, the assault happened.

Clearly, the vacancy of the position of Chairman leads to mass rape in German cities.

[Novus America]

Relations between Jews and Muslims in Europe aren't relevant?

As relevant as the sugar content of one single fruit loop in your bowl.

Most normal people care about the sugar content of everything in their bowl. If you haven't caught on yet, I'm saying relationships between everyone and everyone in Europe is relevant. Makes no sense to focus on one particular group save for making an attempt at a weak argument for something nobody cares about (e.g. your response to how "that's the same thing they said about letting in the jews" is somehow wrong because jews probably don't like harassment by muslims either).

Really now. Do you enjoy 'winning' arguments about non-issues?

Okay, but there is also something very wrong with the European bowl's sugar content.
Again there is a middle ground between blaming all immigrants and denying a problem exists.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/164bbc14 ... -time-high

[Geilinor]

As relevant as the sugar content of one single fruit loop in your bowl.

Most normal people care about the sugar content of everything in their bowl. If you haven't caught on yet, I'm saying relationships between everyone and everyone in Europe is relevant. Makes no sense to focus on one particular group save for making an attempt at a weak argument for something nobody cares about (e.g. your response to how "that's the same thing they said about letting in the jews" is somehow wrong because jews probably don't like harassment by muslims either).

Really now. Do you enjoy 'winning' arguments about non-issues?

Okay, but there is also something very wrong with the European bowl's sugar content.
Again there is a middle ground between blaming all immigrants and denying a problem exists.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/164bbc14 ... -time-high

The economy could have something to do with it. Israel's is still going strong and has lower unemployment.
http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/israels-economy-steady-as-she-goes-but-for-how-long/
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13401735/1/here-s-why-israel-s-economy-has-a-bright-outlook-in-2016.html

[The Nuclear Fist]

Because their original home societies know how to whip (oftentimes literally) that kind of scum into behaving. Back home, the majority of them wouldn't even think of behaving like they do here, i.e., as a bunch of savage degenerate apes, because the local law and custom tends to dispense swift and very harsh justice for murderers and rapists, be it at the hands of police or government troops, or a mob of the victim's male relatives.

Here in Western Europe, where the authorities pussyfoot around them, granting them the race card to play, and the police are impotent whimps accustomed to generally dealing only with a downtrodden and intimidated populace of unarmed emasculated pacifists, and the worst penalty that sex offenders and murderers can get is a stay in prison comparable to a three-star hotel, these violently antisocial elements have literally nothing to fear. Having grown up in a society that imposes strict rules on everyday life and conduct and has a rather low tolerance for failure to abide them, they perceive the Western lack of such personal restrictions as absolute all-permissiveness, and enjoy it to the fullest extent.

A person accustomed to penalties like summary executions, stoning, necklacing, being beaten to a pulp with rubber sticks and the other staples of Third World justice will not regard being imprisoned in conditions comparable to a luxury hotel as much of a punishment, but more of a reward.

Which is why it is only fitting and proper that migrants convicted of crimes be booted back to whatever shithole they crawled out of, with a stern warning not to return. If they cannot behave like civilized people, they obviously have no place in civilized countries, and considering the effort they put into escaping their war-torn cesspools of homelands, being sent back would also be quite a serious punishment for them in itself.

Not only that, but deporting immigrant criminals would also send a message to the rest that this sort of behaviour will not be tolerated in their destination countries. Deporting them along with their families (provided they have any) would be preferable - being strongly oriented towards family and community, these migrants would be much more motivated to behave if they knew any fuck-up of theirs would also destroy the dreams of easy life for the rest of their relatives, consequently facing pressure to behave from their kin.

Just gonna let this stand as an example of just how awful some people can be to their fellow humans, simply because their skin is brown.

Considering he didn't say anything about their skin, it's a retarded attempt. Maybe actually try and come up with valid criticism next time.

[Esternial]

As relevant as the sugar content of one single fruit loop in your bowl.

Most normal people care about the sugar content of everything in their bowl. If you haven't caught on yet, I'm saying relationships between everyone and everyone in Europe is relevant. Makes no sense to focus on one particular group save for making an attempt at a weak argument for something nobody cares about (e.g. your response to how "that's the same thing they said about letting in the jews" is somehow wrong because jews probably don't like harassment by muslims either).

Really now. Do you enjoy 'winning' arguments about non-issues?

Okay, but there is also something very wrong with the European bowl's sugar content.
Again there is a middle ground between blaming all immigrants and denying a problem exists.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/164bbc14 ... -time-high

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