You reap what you sow? Mass sexual assault in Germany

[Alsheb]

Yeah. You're still wrong now just like you were back then.

But it has caused serious problems. That is indisputable.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/wo ... l?referer=
Not all Muslims are bad of course. But Islam is in general a very socially conservative religion. And these predominately Islamic cultures in North Africa and the Middle East are very conservative compared to other Islamic cultures. To deny a cultural shock exists when very conservative cultures encounter very liberal Europe is ridiculous.

The shock exists mainly in the heads of the Europeans living here, who often have issues with the fact that people from cultures and background they don't know are coming into their cocoon of isolation and perceived safety.

[Alsheb]

Every single one of the ones that did this should have their faces and names made public, as well as have their DNA and prints be taken and deported back to whatever smoldering shithole they come from, and banned from entering the EU again. If they get caught in the EU again, some kind of imprisonment should be considered. Something grim, since the EU doesn't allow the death penalty.

No, that would be a terrible idea; What's the obsession with sending criminals back anyway? Whatever happened to just friggin' punishing them in court of law and putting them in jail? Why do people honestly think it's a good idea to repatriate rapists and murderers and releasing them into a population that is already suffering under war and famine?

[Veceria]

Every single one of the ones that did this should have their faces and names made public, as well as have their DNA and prints be taken and deported back to whatever smoldering shithole they come from, and banned from entering the EU again. If they get caught in the EU again, some kind of imprisonment should be considered. Something grim, since the EU doesn't allow the death penalty.

No, that would be a terrible idea; What's the obsession with sending criminals back anyway? Whatever happened to just friggin' punishing them in court of law and putting them in jail? Why do people honestly think it's a good idea to repatriate rapists and murderers and releasing them into a population that is already suffering under war and famine?

Last time I heard about the situation of European (or at least German and Austrian) jails, they were more than full. So if you want to jail even more people (especially those who don't even live in the countries that imprison them), we have to start a artificial prison island.

[Gauthier]

Aaand Charlie Hebdo has decided to throw some oil on the fire:

(Image)

(translation:"What would little Aylan have grown up to be ? Ass groper in Germany" - where Aylan was the little dead boy on the beach)

The internet is divided in two camps - some saying it is "not done" to use the memory of the dead boy for this; while others say that this is fair turnabout since the image was used ad nauseam as pro-migrant propaganda and succinctly summarises the situation.

One thing is certain: far less people will post "Je suis Charlie" on their FB now

And then there's the camp that argues Charlie Hebdo has won the Holocaust Blank Check from the one attack and that it can continue to bait and troll Muslims hard as it wants and that everyone else should too.

[Cenetra]

They could be cutting this guys head off and he would still sit there and go.

"Well unless you have hard evidence i cant assume im being killed in the name of islam"

That doesn't and won't happen in the first world.

So you admit that thanks to the influx of Muslim immigrants that the UK and France are no longer first-world countries?

Because it's either that or you're wrong, because I found five recent beheadings or attempted beheadings in the UK, France, and Australia by Muslims with presumably religious motivations in the last couple years. One successful beheading, one murder (although they were too incompetent to behead the victim properly), one attack where the victims survived, and two plots to behead people that were foiled by law enforcement.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33284937
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34505670
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34423984
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/l ... -1.2456956

[Alsheb]

Aaand Charlie Hebdo has decided to throw some oil on the fire:

(Image)

(translation:"What would little Aylan have grown up to be ? Ass groper in Germany" - where Aylan was the little dead boy on the beach)

The internet is divided in two camps - some saying it is "not done" to use the memory of the dead boy for this; while others say that this is fair turnabout since the image was used ad nauseam as pro-migrant propaganda and succinctly summarises the situation.

One thing is certain: far less people will post "Je suis Charlie" on their FB now

And then there's the camp that argues Charlie Hebdo has won the Holocaust Blank Check from the one attack and that it can continue to bait and troll Muslims hard as it wants and that everyone else should too.

I wonder what would happen if someone were to make a "satirical cartoon" about the victims of the Charlie Hebdo attacks.
Let's see how far-reaching the European policy of "free speech" would go then.

[Yootxtlalkaan]

That doesn't and won't happen in the first world.

So you admit that thanks to the influx of Muslim immigrants that the UK and France are no longer first-world countries?

Because it's either that or you're wrong, because I found five recent beheadings or attempted beheadings in the UK, France, and Australia by Muslims with presumably religious motivations in the last couple years. One successful beheading, one murder (although they were too incompetent to behead the victim properly), one attack where the victims survived, and two plots to behead people that were foiled by law enforcement.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33284937
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34505670
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34423984
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/l ... -1.2456956

five!! wow!! that's almost 1% as much as the death toll from autoërotic asphyxiation!! the west is literally doomed!!!

[Hirota]

I wonder what would happen if someone were to make a "satirical cartoon" about the victims of the Charlie Hebdo attacks.
Let's see how far-reaching the European policy of "free speech" would go then.

Hebdo is a talented enough group to mock everyone. Don't get your panties in a twist thinking they whaled on Islam.

Although I don't think anyone has tried to mock the murder of Hebdo employees, If you are talented enough to do so and still have it firmly in the camp of satire as opposed to the childish petty spite you seem to be advocating, then absolutely go ahead and have a go. It would be pretty unfair to be able to dish it out and not take it.
I understand there is plenty of capable satirists in the Muslim world. Heck, my fiancee used to edit on Manoto, so I've seen some Iranian comedy she edited. I don't speak Farsi, but it seemed pretty damned funny to me.

[For Ourselves]

That doesn't and won't happen in the first world.

So you admit that thanks to the influx of Muslim immigrants that the UK and France are no longer first-world countries?

Because it's either that or you're wrong, because I found five recent beheadings or attempted beheadings in the UK, France, and Australia by Muslims with presumably religious motivations in the last couple years. One successful beheading, one murder (although they were too incompetent to behead the victim properly), one attack where the victims survived, and two plots to behead people that were foiled by law enforcement.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33284937
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34505670
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34423984
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/l ... -1.2456956

I concede it happens. It only happens, as you said, at a ratio of "five in a couple years". Therefore, no reason to be afraid.

What now?

[The Alma Mater]

Aaand Charlie Hebdo has decided to throw some oil on the fire:

(Image)

(translation:"What would little Aylan have grown up to be ? Ass groper in Germany" - where Aylan was the little dead boy on the beach)

The internet is divided in two camps - some saying it is "not done" to use the memory of the dead boy for this; while others say that this is fair turnabout since the image was used ad nauseam as pro-migrant propaganda and succinctly summarises the situation.

One thing is certain: far less people will post "Je suis Charlie" on their FB now

And then there's the camp that argues Charlie Hebdo has won the Holocaust Blank Check from the one attack and that it can continue to bait and troll Muslims hard as it wants and that everyone else should too.

If you wanted to, one could also interpret this comic as saying "you are all crying over a boy who did not make it, but whine when adults do, silly hypocrites". So support for migrants and an attack on the right

[For Ourselves]

And then there's the camp that argues Charlie Hebdo has won the Holocaust Blank Check from the one attack and that it can continue to bait and troll Muslims hard as it wants and that everyone else should too.

If you wanted to, one could also interpret this comic as saying "you are all crying over a boy who did not make it, but whine when adults do, silly hypocrites". So support for migrants and an attack on the right

Makes sense, seeing as they're left-wing themselves, I think.

[The Conez Imperium]

No, that would be a terrible idea; What's the obsession with sending criminals back anyway? Whatever happened to just friggin' punishing them in court of law and putting them in jail? Why do people honestly think it's a good idea to repatriate rapists and murderers and releasing them into a population that is already suffering under war and famine?

Last time I heard about the situation of European (or at least German and Austrian) jails, they were more than full. So if you want to jail even more people (especially those who don't even live in the countries that imprison them), we have to start a artificial prison island.

Does Germany again want its "place in the sun"?

[TheDrunkenLlamas]

Aaand Charlie Hebdo has decided to throw some oil on the fire:

(Image)

(translation:"What would little Aylan have grown up to be ? Ass groper in Germany" - where Aylan was the little dead boy on the beach)

The internet is divided in two camps - some saying it is "not done" to use the memory of the dead boy for this; while others say that this is fair turnabout since the image was used ad nauseam as pro-migrant propaganda and succinctly summarises the situation.

One thing is certain: far less people will post "Je suis Charlie" on their FB now

And then there's the camp that argues Charlie Hebdo has won the Holocaust Blank Check from the one attack and that it can continue to bait and troll Muslims hard as it wants and that everyone else should too.

Like how the Reich-stag Bombings meant no one could criticize the Nazis ever.

[Alsheb]

I wonder what would happen if someone were to make a "satirical cartoon" about the victims of the Charlie Hebdo attacks.
Let's see how far-reaching the European policy of "free speech" would go then.

Hebdo is a talented enough group to mock everyone. Don't get your panties in a twist thinking they whaled on Islam.

Although I don't think anyone has tried to mock the murder of Hebdo employees, If you are talented enough to do so and still have it firmly in the camp of satire as opposed to the childish petty spite you seem to be advocating, then absolutely go ahead and have a go. It would be pretty unfair to be able to dish it out and not take it.
I understand there is plenty of capable satirists in the Muslim world. Heck, my fiancee used to edit on Manoto, so I've seen some Iranian comedy she edited. I don't speak Farsi, but it seemed pretty damned funny to me.

Err... the cartoon I referred to has nothing to do with mocking religions or criticising Islam.
It was a cartoon mocking the death of a toddler, tying his story to that of the sexual harassment case in Cologne. As in, implying it is a good thing he died, for he might have become a sexual predator in later life. And why would he become that? Because he's an Arab, of course.

There's nothing satirical about that. Nothing critical, nothing open-minded, nothing that "mocks religion". It's the cartoon equivalent of saying "a Syrian kid died, LOL".

[Vassenor]

Hebdo is a talented enough group to mock everyone. Don't get your panties in a twist thinking they whaled on Islam.

Although I don't think anyone has tried to mock the murder of Hebdo employees, If you are talented enough to do so and still have it firmly in the camp of satire as opposed to the childish petty spite you seem to be advocating, then absolutely go ahead and have a go. It would be pretty unfair to be able to dish it out and not take it.
I understand there is plenty of capable satirists in the Muslim world. Heck, my fiancee used to edit on Manoto, so I've seen some Iranian comedy she edited. I don't speak Farsi, but it seemed pretty damned funny to me.

Err... the cartoon I referred to has nothing to do with mocking religions or criticising Islam.
It was a cartoon mocking the death of a toddler, tying his story to that of the sexual harassment case in Cologne. As in, implying it is a good thing he died, for he might have become a sexual predator in later life. And why would he become that? Because he's an Arab, of course.

There's nothing satirical about that. Nothing critical, nothing open-minded, nothing that "mocks religion". It's the cartoon equivalent of saying "a Syrian kid died, LOL".

But some of them got killed so they're immune from all criticism from anyone forever.

[Hirota]

You said:

I wonder what would happen if someone were to make a "satirical cartoon" about the victims of the Charlie Hebdo attacks.
Let's see how far-reaching the European policy of "free speech" would go then.

And my response was basically giving you the green light to do it. I supported Hebdo's satirical criticism, and I'll support satirical criticism of Hebdo.

Err... the cartoon I referred to has nothing to do with mocking religions or criticising Islam.

Fair point. Arab ≠ Islam after all.

It was a cartoon mocking the death of a toddler,

Nope it wasn't.

tying his story to that of the sexual harassment case in Cologne.

Yes it is (and I'll explain why one is untrue and the other is true in good course).

As in, implying it is a good thing he died, for he might have become a sexual predator in later life. And why would he become that? Because he's an Arab, of course.

No it isn't.

The entire cartoon is pointing towards the western media and how it has flip flopped it's way through the Syrian refugee crisis. One moment the press uses a dead Syrian boy to reflect the suffering of the refugees, the next it uses images of rampaging raping Syrians. Hebdo is satirising both these stereotypes used by the media of the refugees.

But some of them got killed so they're immune from all criticism from anyone forever.

Are you talking about Syrian refugees or Satirists?

[Imperium Sidhicum]

Every single one of the ones that did this should have their faces and names made public, as well as have their DNA and prints be taken and deported back to whatever smoldering shithole they come from, and banned from entering the EU again. If they get caught in the EU again, some kind of imprisonment should be considered. Something grim, since the EU doesn't allow the death penalty.

No, that would be a terrible idea; What's the obsession with sending criminals back anyway? Whatever happened to just friggin' punishing them in court of law and putting them in jail? Why do people honestly think it's a good idea to repatriate rapists and murderers and releasing them into a population that is already suffering under war and famine?

Because their original home societies know how to whip (oftentimes literally) that kind of scum into behaving. Back home, the majority of them wouldn't even think of behaving like they do here, i.e., as a bunch of savage degenerate apes, because the local law and custom tends to dispense swift and very harsh justice for murderers and rapists, be it at the hands of police or government troops, or a mob of the victim's male relatives.

Here in Western Europe, where the authorities pussyfoot around them, granting them the race card to play, and the police are impotent whimps accustomed to generally dealing only with a downtrodden and intimidated populace of unarmed emasculated pacifists, and the worst penalty that sex offenders and murderers can get is a stay in prison comparable to a three-star hotel, these violently antisocial elements have literally nothing to fear. Having grown up in a society that imposes strict rules on everyday life and conduct and has a rather low tolerance for failure to abide them, they perceive the Western lack of such personal restrictions as absolute all-permissiveness, and enjoy it to the fullest extent.

A person accustomed to penalties like summary executions, stoning, necklacing, being beaten to a pulp with rubber sticks and the other staples of Third World justice will not regard being imprisoned in conditions comparable to a luxury hotel as much of a punishment, but more of a reward.

Which is why it is only fitting and proper that migrants convicted of crimes be booted back to whatever shithole they crawled out of, with a stern warning not to return. If they cannot behave like civilized people, they obviously have no place in civilized countries, and considering the effort they put into escaping their war-torn cesspools of homelands, being sent back would also be quite a serious punishment for them in itself.

Not only that, but deporting immigrant criminals would also send a message to the rest that this sort of behaviour will not be tolerated in their destination countries. Deporting them along with their families (provided they have any) would be preferable - being strongly oriented towards family and community, these migrants would be much more motivated to behave if they knew any fuck-up of theirs would also destroy the dreams of easy life for the rest of their relatives, consequently facing pressure to behave from their kin.

[Ostroeuropa]

Around 0.5% coming from Syria commit some crime vs 40% coming from North Africa:

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/k ... 71674.html

[Novus America]

But it has caused serious problems. That is indisputable.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/wo ... l?referer=
Not all Muslims are bad of course. But Islam is in general a very socially conservative religion. And these predominately Islamic cultures in North Africa and the Middle East are very conservative compared to other Islamic cultures. To deny a cultural shock exists when very conservative cultures encounter very liberal Europe is ridiculous.

The shock exists mainly in the heads of the Europeans living here, who often have issues with the fact that people from cultures and background they don't know are coming into their cocoon of isolation and perceived safety.

The cultural shock works both ways. But that article proves it is not just in the heads of Europeans. And yes, I am sure many Europeans do not want extreme social conservatism. There is a lot of bigotry, exaggeration and hyberbole. But there are legitimate concerns about how the societies providing these immigrants view things like seperation of church and state, women's rights and marital rape for example.

Now that is not to say these issues cannot be overcome. Education might help. But denying these issues or blaming soley Europeans is not going to make things better.

[Arkinesia]

Around 0.5% coming from Syria commit some crime vs 40% coming from North Africa:

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/k ... 71674.html

So in other words, the Syria hysteria is massively overblown.

[Ostroeuropa]

Around 0.5% coming from Syria commit some crime vs 40% coming from North Africa:

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/k ... 71674.html

So in other words, the Syria hysteria is massively overblown.

It would appear so. It's mostly a north-african phenomena. The points made by the anti-immigration side still have some merit, but they need to refocus on the appropriate people.

[Novus America]

So in other words, the Syria hysteria is massively overblown.

It would appear so. It's mostly a north-african phenomena. The points made by the anti-immigration side still have some merit, but they need to refocus on the appropriate people.

It does appear so. The German rape riot thing was not Syrians. Not surprising neccesarily as most fleeing Syria tend to come from the more developed western cities. Also the culture of North Africa and Syria are not the same, even if they have some things in common.

So the focus is off, but something has to be done about the social attitudes held by some mainly North African immigrants. There should be mandatory classes for all immigrants, and a zero tolerance for those who break the law. Plus better screening.

Again denying there is are some immigration problems is crazy. But these problems can be addressed without banning immigration. There is middle ground here. Sadly that is being ignored.

[The Alma Mater]

It would appear so. It's mostly a north-african phenomena. The points made by the anti-immigration side still have some merit, but they need to refocus on the appropriate people.

It does appear so. The German rape riot thing was not Syrians.

Eeehm, yes it was. Mostly at least.

[Novus America]

It does appear so. The German rape riot thing was not Syrians.

Eeehm, yes it was. Mostly at least.

No, it was some North Africans. Syria is is not in North Africa.

[Hirota]

Eeehm, yes it was. Mostly at least.

No, it was some North Africans. Syria is is not in North Africa.

Until people are arrested, we don't really know for certain. What we do know is from witnesses and photosis that there were people of either African or middle eastern ancestry people present in Cologne.

Although the modus operandi sounds rather North African.