Militia Cleanup: Did you say take away their kids?

[The Emerald Legion]

So why do you think that Vanilla ISIS here showed up with guns in the first place, and then set up roadblocks and defensive positions around the headquarters?

Eventhough what they are doing is not legal I don't think you can compare them with ISIS.

But I have to say that this forum is very consistent and care about following laws only according to their political positions. When it comes to drugs nobody even cares here that they are illegal, when anarchists and lefties throw stones and molotovs at police officers then it is a peaceful protest, whistleblowers showed as some kind of heroes. Go figure.

I'm pretty darn consistent in my views that pretty much everything you just described is horribly immoral.

I've seen people say, "Well, this isn't anything so bad...", as well as specifically stating why they think it's not a declaration of war against the US Government. Well, I have only this to say. It's said that actions count for more than words, so here's what Bundy Jr. and his band of yahoos are essentially saying by taking the actions they've taken:

Hello. I have a rifle. I’m taking over your building. Make this particular change to the law. I’ll be here for years. Oh, and I’ll shoot anyone who tries to throw me out of this building.

That's a declaration of war. So my response is simple: don't throw them out. Jam cellphone frequencies, cut off power and water, and impose a no-go zone around the building. Above all, do not fire unless fired at, and even then only if absolutely necessary. Maintain the manpower in place to detain anyone who tries to enter or leave - anyone, including journalists - then just sit there.

When this batch of redneck yahoos has tired of their "internet tough guy" schtick (along with the loss of power, water and probably food) inform them that unconditional surrenders will be accepted, along with their fingerprints for treason trials.

Then try them for treason. And yes, this is treason:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them,

When they're found guilty - as they almost certainly will be - throw the book at them.

Sadly, somebody let them stock the building with generators and food/water.

[Tekeristan]

Sadly, somebody let them stock the building with generators and food/water.

Eh. Wait em out.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I've tried to find a definition of rebellion in the US criminal code, but no such definition exists. So, I would be careful with calling this a rebellion. Sedition and domestic terrorism do have clearly defined terms, I would stick to those.

[Ifreann]

Eventhough what they are doing is not legal I don't think you can compare them with ISIS.

But I have to say that this forum is very consistent and care about following laws only according to their political positions. When it comes to drugs nobody even cares here that they are illegal, when anarchists and lefties throw stones and molotovs at police officers then it is a peaceful protest, whistleblowers showed as some kind of heroes. Go figure.

I'm pretty darn consistent in my views that pretty much everything you just described is horribly immoral.

I've seen people say, "Well, this isn't anything so bad...", as well as specifically stating why they think it's not a declaration of war against the US Government. Well, I have only this to say. It's said that actions count for more than words, so here's what Bundy Jr. and his band of yahoos are essentially saying by taking the actions they've taken:



That's a declaration of war. So my response is simple: don't throw them out. Jam cellphone frequencies, cut off power and water, and impose a no-go zone around the building. Above all, do not fire unless fired at, and even then only if absolutely necessary. Maintain the manpower in place to detain anyone who tries to enter or leave - anyone, including journalists - then just sit there.

When this batch of redneck yahoos has tired of their "internet tough guy" schtick (along with the loss of power, water and probably food) inform them that unconditional surrenders will be accepted, along with their fingerprints for treason trials.

Then try them for treason. And yes, this is treason:



When they're found guilty - as they almost certainly will be - throw the book at them.

Sadly, somebody let them stock the building with generators and food/water.

Plus there's probably wildlife around they can eat.

[Alvecia]

I'm pretty darn consistent in my views that pretty much everything you just described is horribly immoral.



Sadly, somebody let them stock the building with generators and food/water.

Plus there's probably wildlife around they can eat.

Kinda hope they don't. Wildlife reserves aren't really there as all-you-can-catch-and-eat buffets.

[Vassenor]

Plus there's probably wildlife around they can eat.

Kinda hope they don't. Wildlife reserves aren't really there as all-you-can-catch-and-eat buffets.

Isn't that kind of why the Hammonds were on the hook anyway?

[Alvecia]

Kinda hope they don't. Wildlife reserves aren't really there as all-you-can-catch-and-eat buffets.

Isn't that kind of why the Hammonds were on the hook anyway?

I thought it was cause they were trying to burn some forest on their property that they didn't control and caused a wildfire on federal land.
Also the feds supected them of using it to cover up poaching, so yeah, I guess so.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I've seen people say, "Well, this isn't anything so bad...", as well as specifically stating why they think it's not a declaration of war against the US Government. Well, I have only this to say. It's said that actions count for more than words, so here's what Bundy Jr. and his band of yahoos are essentially saying by taking the actions they've taken:

Hello. I have a rifle. I’m taking over your building. Make this particular change to the law. I’ll be here for years. Oh, and I’ll shoot anyone who tries to throw me out of this building.

That's a declaration of war. So my response is simple: don't throw them out. Jam cellphone frequencies, cut off power and water, and impose a no-go zone around the building. Above all, do not fire unless fired at, and even then only if absolutely necessary. Maintain the manpower in place to detain anyone who tries to enter or leave - anyone, including journalists - then just sit there.

When this batch of redneck yahoos has tired of their "internet tough guy" schtick (along with the loss of power, water and probably food) inform them that unconditional surrenders will be accepted, along with their fingerprints for treason trials.

Then try them for treason. And yes, this is treason:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them,

When they're found guilty - as they almost certainly will be - throw the book at them.

But they're not levying war yet. There is no structure, no organisation, no declaration, no planning... They are not yet levying war, not in any sense of the words.

[New Chalcedon]

I've seen people say, "Well, this isn't anything so bad...", as well as specifically stating why they think it's not a declaration of war against the US Government. Well, I have only this to say. It's said that actions count for more than words, so here's what Bundy Jr. and his band of yahoos are essentially saying by taking the actions they've taken:



That's a declaration of war. So my response is simple: don't throw them out. Jam cellphone frequencies, cut off power and water, and impose a no-go zone around the building. Above all, do not fire unless fired at, and even then only if absolutely necessary. Maintain the manpower in place to detain anyone who tries to enter or leave - anyone, including journalists - then just sit there.

When this batch of redneck yahoos has tired of their "internet tough guy" schtick (along with the loss of power, water and probably food) inform them that unconditional surrenders will be accepted, along with their fingerprints for treason trials.

Then try them for treason. And yes, this is treason:



When they're found guilty - as they almost certainly will be - throw the book at them.

Sadly, somebody let them stock the building with generators and food/water.

That just means it will take the Feds longer. Somehow, I doubt that they can outlast the US Government.

[New Chalcedon]

Isn't that kind of why the Hammonds were on the hook anyway?

I thought it was cause they were trying to burn some forest on their property that they didn't control and caused a wildfire on federal land.
Also the feds supected them of using it to cover up poaching, so yeah, I guess so.

Yeah, but the Hammonds at least had the grace to go to jail when convicted.

[New Chalcedon]

I've seen people say, "Well, this isn't anything so bad...", as well as specifically stating why they think it's not a declaration of war against the US Government. Well, I have only this to say. It's said that actions count for more than words, so here's what Bundy Jr. and his band of yahoos are essentially saying by taking the actions they've taken:



That's a declaration of war. So my response is simple: don't throw them out. Jam cellphone frequencies, cut off power and water, and impose a no-go zone around the building. Above all, do not fire unless fired at, and even then only if absolutely necessary. Maintain the manpower in place to detain anyone who tries to enter or leave - anyone, including journalists - then just sit there.

When this batch of redneck yahoos has tired of their "internet tough guy" schtick (along with the loss of power, water and probably food) inform them that unconditional surrenders will be accepted, along with their fingerprints for treason trials.

Then try them for treason. And yes, this is treason:



When they're found guilty - as they almost certainly will be - throw the book at them.

But they're not levying war yet. There is no structure, no organisation, no declaration, no planning... They are not yet levying war, not in any sense of the words.

Occupying a Federal property by force and threatening to shoot if the Feds try to evict you isn't a rebellion? The Sagebrushers will be glad to hear it.

[Sucrati]

I thought it was cause they were trying to burn some forest on their property that they didn't control and caused a wildfire on federal land.
Also the feds supected them of using it to cover up poaching, so yeah, I guess so.

Yeah, but the Hammonds at least had the grace to go to jail when convicted.

They served their sentences and then the Department of Justice got mad about how short said sentences were. The DOJ wanted them to serve the minimum of 5 YEARS instead of the 3 months and 1 year sentences that were handed out.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

But they're not levying war yet. There is no structure, no organisation, no declaration, no planning... They are not yet levying war, not in any sense of the words.

Occupying a Federal property by force and threatening to shoot if the Feds try to evict you isn't a rebellion? The Sagebrushers will be glad to hear it.

They've not raised their own flag or vowed to overthrow the current government. Their stated goal is to return federal land to some ranchers. That's not really rebellious, more seditious. Also a grave federal crime, and a bit more correct than calling it treason or rebellion.

[Alvecia]

Yeah, but the Hammonds at least had the grace to go to jail when convicted.

They served their sentences and then the Department of Justice got mad about how short said sentences were. The DOJ wanted them to serve the minimum of 5 YEARS instead of the 3 months and 1 year sentences that were handed out.

Their sentence was wrong, so they had to serve the proper amount. Seems fair.
Not mandatory minimums, but they are the current law. If people don't like mandatory minimums, get them changed.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Crush these rebel scum.
Edited:
cut them off, wait them out, when they surrender, bring 'em to federal court and give 'em the punishment for treason and insurrection.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383 says that's up to ten years in jail and no public office can ever be held by the rebels.

[Ifreann]

Plus there's probably wildlife around they can eat.

Kinda hope they don't. Wildlife reserves aren't really there as all-you-can-catch-and-eat buffets.

They also aren't there to be occupied by an armed force intending to wrest ownership of them away from the federal government.

[Uxupox]

Yea the possible death of millions is a "better solution" than diplomacy.

I highly doubt that something like this could lead to the "death of millions". Nor do I believe there is much diplomacy possible with people like the Bundy gangs.

The conversation was about a "civil war". So yea in the obvious hypothetical scenario millions would die.

[Alvecia]

Kinda hope they don't. Wildlife reserves aren't really there as all-you-can-catch-and-eat buffets.

They also aren't there to be occupied by an armed force intending to wrest ownership of them away from the federal government.

That too.

[Imperializt Russia]

I've seen people say, "Well, this isn't anything so bad...", as well as specifically stating why they think it's not a declaration of war against the US Government. Well, I have only this to say. It's said that actions count for more than words, so here's what Bundy Jr. and his band of yahoos are essentially saying by taking the actions they've taken:



That's a declaration of war. So my response is simple: don't throw them out. Jam cellphone frequencies, cut off power and water, and impose a no-go zone around the building. Above all, do not fire unless fired at, and even then only if absolutely necessary. Maintain the manpower in place to detain anyone who tries to enter or leave - anyone, including journalists - then just sit there.

When this batch of redneck yahoos has tired of their "internet tough guy" schtick (along with the loss of power, water and probably food) inform them that unconditional surrenders will be accepted, along with their fingerprints for treason trials.

Then try them for treason. And yes, this is treason:



When they're found guilty - as they almost certainly will be - throw the book at them.

But they're not levying war yet. There is no structure, no organisation, no declaration, no planning... They are not yet levying war, not in any sense of the words.

The Fedayeen didn't have much structure, organisation, planning or real declaration in 2003. Now we have IS controlling fair chunks of two countries.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

But they're not levying war yet. There is no structure, no organisation, no declaration, no planning... They are not yet levying war, not in any sense of the words.

The Fedayeen didn't have much structure, organisation, planning or real declaration in 2003. Now we have IS controlling fair chunks of two countries.

Yeah, that whole mess became a rebellion somewhere. But in the US, because there are so many levels of anti-government action (terrorism, sedition, treason, rebellion, insurrection) one must be careful when applying a name. Especially because rebellion has no clearly defined boundaries.

[Genivaria]

Crush these rebel scum.
Edited:
cut them off, wait them out, when they surrender, bring 'em to federal court and give 'em the punishment for treason and insurrection.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383 says that's up to ten years in jail and no public office can ever be held by the rebels.

And hang them with nooses made with Irish hemp?

[The Emerald Legion]

Occupying a Federal property by force and threatening to shoot if the Feds try to evict you isn't a rebellion? The Sagebrushers will be glad to hear it.

They've not raised their own flag or vowed to overthrow the current government. Their stated goal is to return federal land to some ranchers. That's not really rebellious, more seditious. Also a grave federal crime, and a bit more correct than calling it treason or rebellion.

They kinda have. The whole "The Federal Government doesn't even exist." Thing. That's why they want to 'return' federal land to some ranchers. Because they think the Feds are some sort of invading army.

Because, Y'know. Not bright people.

[Atomic Utopia]

Seems y'all quida is a thing now. I do not have facebook or twittet access right now, so please confirm what this article says.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/04/us/oregon ... index.html

[New Chalcedon]

Oh, dear Lord, the irony. C/o Twitter:



These dumbfucks can't fight Big Gubbermint....because their welfare checks haven't cleared yet.

[New Chalcedon]

Seems y'all quida is a thing now. I do not have facebook or twittet access right now, so please confirm what this article says.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/04/us/oregon ... index.html

Get it straight, silly. It's #YokelHaram, bravely taking #Yeehawd to the doorstep of the Big Gubbermint officials...