Militia Cleanup: Did you say take away their kids?

[Imperializt Russia]

Don't play fucking coy.
They're being used.

How?

We've spent twenty gun control threads establishing that one does not need to kill, wound or even fire upon someone to "use" a firearm.

The excuse "they haven't fired so they haven't used their guns" now lies smashed and broken at your feet.

[Roski]

Well, you could have the German Bundesgericht decide over the constitutionality of US law, but that would be losing sovereignty. What other way did you have in mind?

states are supposed to assert their sovereignty in such matters, as well as American citizens. the problem is, nobody cares until it's too late.

having the federal government decide if it's acting properly is like having a private company decide if its business practices are unethical. can you honestly expect a powerful group to hold itself accountable?

You're given a document to read

What you do has to be according to that document

Its an easy fucking job - really. Its not even really biasable.

Can I do it? Yes/No

No

Then it doesn't get passed.

[Alvecia]

Don't play fucking coy.
They're being used.

How?

A gun doesn't have to be fired to be used.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Well, you could have the German Bundesgericht decide over the constitutionality of US law, but that would be losing sovereignty. What other way did you have in mind?

states are supposed to assert their sovereignty in such matters, as well as American citizens. the problem is, nobody cares until it's too late.

having the federal government decide if it's acting properly is like having a private company decide if its business practices are unethical. can you honestly expect a powerful group to hold itself accountable?

The only thing is, the US government isn't a giant monolith. That's why the legislative, judicial and executive branches are separated.Their only job is to run the country, and look after each other's conduct. See it as three rivalling companies each checking each other's ethical conduct.

[Alvecia]

states are supposed to assert their sovereignty in such matters, as well as American citizens. the problem is, nobody cares until it's too late.

having the federal government decide if it's acting properly is like having a private company decide if its business practices are unethical. can you honestly expect a powerful group to hold itself accountable?

You're given a document to read

What you do has to be according to that document

Its an easy fucking job - really. Its not even really biasable.

Can I do it? Yes/No

No

Then it doesn't get passed.

There also seems to be the assumption that the government is one big hivemind that always agrees with itself, which is far from the truth.

[Teemant]

How?

We've spent twenty gun control threads establishing that one does not need to kill, wound or even fire upon someone to "use" a firearm.

The excuse "they haven't fired so they haven't used their guns" now lies smashed and broken at your feet.

The building was empty (no people inside) and there is no siege as of now (as I understand) so I don't get what you're trying to say.

[Tekeristan]

states are supposed to assert their sovereignty in such matters, as well as American citizens. the problem is, nobody cares until it's too late.

having the federal government decide if it's acting properly is like having a private company decide if its business practices are unethical. can you honestly expect a powerful group to hold itself accountable?

The only thing is, the US government isn't a giant monolith. That's why the legislative, judicial and executive branches are separated.Their only job is to run the country, and look after each other's conduct. See it as three rivalling companies each checking each other's ethical conduct.

Much like how rivalling companies now lobby them.

[Haktiva]

states are supposed to assert their sovereignty in such matters, as well as American citizens. the problem is, nobody cares until it's too late.

having the federal government decide if it's acting properly is like having a private company decide if its business practices are unethical. can you honestly expect a powerful group to hold itself accountable?

The only thing is, the US government isn't a giant monolith. That's why the legislative, judicial and executive branches are separated.Their only job is to run the country, and look after each other's conduct. See it as three rivalling companies each checking each other's ethical conduct.

that's a good idea in theory, but when it comes to the power of political parties effectively running each branch of government, suddenly I'm not so optimistic.

[Neutraligon]

How? If I may ask, little confused as to how. :/

Ranchers and such are pissed because the federal government through the BLM(most often anyways) are placing a shitload of restrictions on them, taking their lands for noncompliance and generally being very arbitrary with their rules. part of their argument is that the feds have no right to do that since they believe the federal government is only supposed to have authority over the lands of DC and around military bases, all other public land is supposed to belong to the state government(according to their interpretation of Article 4, Section 3, Clause 2)

some ranchers are just annoyed by grazing fees, at least having to pay them to the feds, whereas some have said they have no problem paying them to their local state government. I'm not a rancher, nor do I live in Oregon so technically this isn't my fight, not yet anyways.

Then they can go and give all that land back to the people from whom the land was bought by the federal government (that would be much of the center of the US).

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

We've spent twenty gun control threads establishing that one does not need to kill, wound or even fire upon someone to "use" a firearm.

The excuse "they haven't fired so they haven't used their guns" now lies smashed and broken at your feet.

The building was empty (no people inside) and there is no siege as of now (as I understand) so I don't get what you're trying to say.

So why do you think that Vanilla ISIS here showed up with guns in the first place, and then set up roadblocks and defensive positions around the headquarters?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The only thing is, the US government isn't a giant monolith. That's why the legislative, judicial and executive branches are separated.Their only job is to run the country, and look after each other's conduct. See it as three rivalling companies each checking each other's ethical conduct.

that's a good idea in theory, but when it comes to the power of political parties effectively running each branch of government, suddenly I'm not so optimistic.

Political parties in the judicial system? Where?

[Ifreann]

Ah yes, the trigger happy, racist police hivemind.

I'm having fun with this.
What that officer did however is simply unacceptable, not saying that it's not.

The point is that the judiciary said that killing was lawful. So, if killing a kid who LOOKED LIKE wielding a gun was A-OK, how come lethal force isn't being used against an organisation of EVIDENTLY ARMED criminals?

Fear, apparently, for their safety.

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Don't play fucking coy.
They're being used.

How?

To threaten people into staying off the land they're occupying. To make the authorities fear for their lives should they try to remove these people.

[Roski]

How long would it take to rebuild the refuge building?

[Teemant]

The building was empty (no people inside) and there is no siege as of now (as I understand) so I don't get what you're trying to say.

So why do you think that Vanilla ISIS here showed up with guns in the first place, and then set up roadblocks and defensive positions around the headquarters?

Eventhough what they are doing is not legal I don't think you can compare them with ISIS.

But I have to say that this forum is very consistent and care about following laws only according to their political positions. When it comes to drugs nobody even cares here that they are illegal, when anarchists and lefties throw stones and molotovs at police officers then it is a peaceful protest, whistleblowers showed as some kind of heroes. Go figure.

[Kauthar]

Yeah! They're upholding the Constitution by....breaking....the law....?

A constitution that they have stated they do not recognise.

The government can't just say they don't recognize the constitution. That's like a civilian shooting up a place then saying "lol i don't recognize the laws fam you can't do shit about it"

[Imperializt Russia]

How long would it take to rebuild the refuge building?

Well it's described as a "wildlife refuge" building so it sounds like a conservation scheme, and it's owned by the federal government, so probably about 300 years.

[Agritum]

Seize their homes and assorted private property and make it become a federal asset.

Let them have free reign over the wildlife refuge and nearby surroundings.

I'd like to see if they can build a succesful patriot commune down there. They've already got the "governance through violence" part sorted out, haven't they?

[Washington Resistance Army]

The building was empty (no people inside) and there is no siege as of now (as I understand) so I don't get what you're trying to say.

So why do you think that Vanilla ISIS here showed up with guns in the first place, and then set up roadblocks and defensive positions around the headquarters?

There is practically nothing these morons and Daesh have in common.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

So why do you think that Vanilla ISIS here showed up with guns in the first place, and then set up roadblocks and defensive positions around the headquarters?

Eventhough what they are doing is not legal I don't think you can compare them with ISIS.

But I have to say that this forum is very consistent and care about following laws only according to their political positions. When it comes to drugs nobody even cares here that they are illegal, when anarchists and lefties throw stones and molotovs at police officers then it is a peaceful protest, whistleblowers showed as some kind of heroes. Go figure.

I'll take this as an admission that you do recognize that carrying the guns had a purpose, and further acknowledge your attempt to win the gold medal in the 500m backpedal.

[Imperializt Russia]

So why do you think that Vanilla ISIS here showed up with guns in the first place, and then set up roadblocks and defensive positions around the headquarters?

Eventhough what they are doing is not legal I don't think you can compare them with ISIS.

But I have to say that this forum is very consistent and care about following laws only according to their political positions. When it comes to drugs nobody even cares here that they are illegal, when anarchists and lefties throw stones and molotovs at police officers then it is a peaceful protest, whistleblowers showed as some kind of heroes. Go figure.

Certain laws are unjust. Drug prohibition (which are also detrimental to society for existing to boot, feeding a cycle of crime, so it's just nonsensical moral grandstanding, ie, a poor excuse for a law), whistleblowing etc.
No-one says that people who throw stones and molotovs are peaceful protesters. They're evidently not, they're assaulting security forces.

These people do, however, attend intended peaceful protests almost universally.
People who intend to actually peacefully protest do not show up with weapons "just because". Which is what the Bundy Brigade has done.
One feels the need to question their motives.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

So why do you think that Vanilla ISIS here showed up with guns in the first place, and then set up roadblocks and defensive positions around the headquarters?

There is practically nothing these morons and Daesh have in common.

Would you prefer 'Y'all Qaeda', then?

[Ifreann]

So why do you think that Vanilla ISIS here showed up with guns in the first place, and then set up roadblocks and defensive positions around the headquarters?

Eventhough what they are doing is not legal I don't think you can compare them with ISIS.

But I have to say that this forum is very consistent and care about following laws only according to their political positions. When it comes to drugs nobody even cares here that they are illegal, when anarchists and lefties throw stones and molotovs at police officers then it is a peaceful protest, whistleblowers showed as some kind of heroes. Go figure.

Gross misrepresentation and generalisation of a wide variety of people and political positions and outright lies. Top criticism.

[Imperializt Russia]

So why do you think that Vanilla ISIS here showed up with guns in the first place, and then set up roadblocks and defensive positions around the headquarters?

There is practically nothing these morons and Daesh have in common.

Not even being misguided armed eejits?

[Agritum]

There is practically nothing these morons and Daesh have in common.

Not even being misguided armed eejits?

Probably, though they also probably use Dodge pickups rather than Toyota ones. Gotta preserve 'Merican labour.

[Teemant]

Eventhough what they are doing is not legal I don't think you can compare them with ISIS.

But I have to say that this forum is very consistent and care about following laws only according to their political positions. When it comes to drugs nobody even cares here that they are illegal, when anarchists and lefties throw stones and molotovs at police officers then it is a peaceful protest, whistleblowers showed as some kind of heroes. Go figure.

Gross misrepresentation and generalisation of a wide variety of people and political positions and outright lies. Top criticism.

The generalisation is based on my own experiences using this forum for almost 1.5 years.