Renewed Crusade?

[Atelia]

That city is my nations capital. I have stood in it, and I can feel it in my soul calling out to me. I see it in my dreams. The Turks are not content with conquest they have now sunken to supporting the ISlamic State in order to further murder and rape Christians. Taking back the city is a rather tame response honestly.

I don't see any method that would turn the place back to a Christian stronghold without violating international law several times over.

International law is purely shackles. Shackles must be broken for true liberty. 'Freedom or Death' comes to mind.

[Quokkastan]

Because the crusades against Christians such as the Albigenses or the Hussites weren't actual crusades. Uh uh.

Disgusting heretics. Im annoyed that I have to tolerate Protestants.

Cathars are Protestant now?

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Now what to do with the Europeans who have been Muslim for Centuries?

If you refer to Bosnians and Albanians, I dont care as long as they arent spreading their Islamic values.

Yeah, it is only okay when you spread YOUR values, and it is only okay to advocate religious conflict when it is your religion. That excuses everything. Atrocities just have to happen in the name of the right faith is all.

[Jochistan]

Now what to do with the Europeans who have been Muslim for Centuries?

If you refer to Bosnians and Albanians, I dont care as long as they arent spreading their Islamic values.

What are you talking about? They aren't the same "Islamic Values" that Middle easterners or pretty much anyone else in the Muslim world has. Different way of practicing Shariah.

[Great Carlistan]

If you refer to Bosnians and Albanians, I dont care as long as they arent spreading their Islamic values.

You should be ashamed of yourself. It is this sort of thing why there is death all over the world. Whatever happened to many paths leading to the one and true God as we were taught in school?

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I don't see any method that would turn the place back to a Christian stronghold without violating international law several times over.

International law is purely shackles. Shackles must be broken for true liberty. 'Freedom or Death' comes to mind.

So violating a multitude of laws in the name of a fanatical religious mission. Doesn't sound familiar at all.

[Zachary Nichols]

I don't see any method that would turn the place back to a Christian stronghold without violating international law several times over.

International law is purely shackles. Shackles must be broken for true liberty. 'Freedom or Death' comes to mind.

Nuking each other is true liberty, sure.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

I don't see any method that would turn the place back to a Christian stronghold without violating international law several times over.

Conquest is not against international law because it is the very creator of nations. The countries we recognize now did not magically appear. They conquered and attacked and plundered everyone and themselves. Theya re hypocrites to criticize other nations doing it. Might makes right. If they can take it, they can keep it. If someone doesn't like taking it, they can force it to be handed back.

The only international law that matters to me is the Geneva Conventions and the protection of hospitals/medics/aid workers. The rest is not worth the paper it's printed on because no one but the civilized world follows it.

I do not advocate war and certainly don't think anyone could take on Turkey (etc.), but we're living in a fantasy world if we're claiming it's illegal.

[Risottia]

If you refer to Bosnians and Albanians, I dont care as long as they arent spreading their Islamic values.

What are you talking about? They aren't the same "Islamic values" that Middle easterners have.

Islamic values such as algebra, coffee and sugar.

OH FUCK TOO LATE.

[Vistulange]

Since when was the Republic of Turkey "Islamist" and "terrorist"?

https://global.tbmm.gov.tr/docs/constitution_en.pdf

I refer to you to page 18 of the PDF, to Article II of the Turkish Constitution.

Adorable.

So that's guarenteed just because it's written there? Ask the Kurds what they think about that. The Soviet Union's constitution guarenteed freedoms too, but that didn't work out.

I'll remind you of the current Shariah wannabe/terrorist running Turkey into the ground:

BBC source of quote

Quit the sarcasm. It's not helping you win me over - unless your purpose is not to debate, but something else...

One, it's spelled "Sharia" in English. At least learn to spell what you hate so much. Two, Erdoğan read that poem when he was with the Welfare Party back in 2000 or something. It's 2015 right now, the parties are different, the politics are different. If you want to argue Turkish politics for the last 25 years, sure. I'm game, and I'm pretty sure I can flip you upside down, but this is just not the thread for it. Also, you seem to have a problem distinguishing a conservative from a fundamentalist. Erdoğan is Turkey's Donald Trump. He is not a fundamentalist. However, Turkey is just not relevant to the thread, despite how much I would love to defend it with ease from religious-fundamentalist people like you. At least the other guys present some valid arguments I have to spend some time on for a logical response.

Right, again,letting loose a bunch of fanatic rabble surely will have no negatives whatsoever, and certainly wont do any harm from good.

It was 500 years ago, and now is culturally Turkish. Making up some sort of delusion of the city living under a reign of terror and fear does not make it any more viable of an idea. Get over it.

That city is my nations capital. I have stood in it, and I can feel it in my soul calling out to me. I see it in my dreams. The Turks are not content with conquest they have now sunken to supporting the ISlamic State in order to further murder and rape Christians. Taking back the city is a rather tame response honestly.

Yada yada, emotional bullshit. I can feel Istanbul in my soul, calling out to me as well, but alas, I am forced to go through higher education in Ankara. How sad, is it not?

Spare us the emotional shit. Give us some real, substantial stuff, please.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

International law is purely shackles. Shackles must be broken for true liberty. 'Freedom or Death' comes to mind.

Nuking each other is true liberty, sure.

Implying we need to use WMDs in war in order to win or accomplish our goals. We don't.

[Great Carlistan]

I don't see any method that would turn the place back to a Christian stronghold without violating international law several times over.

Conquest is not against international law because it is the very creator of nations. The countries we recognize now did not magically appear. They conquered and attacked and plundered everyone and themselves. Theya re hypocrites to criticize other nations doing it. Might makes right. If they can take it, they can keep it. If someone doesn't like taking it, they can force it to be handed back.

The only international law that matters to me is the Geneva Conventions and the protection of hospitals/medics/aid workers. The rest is not worth the paper it's printed on because no one but the civilized world follows it.

I do not advocate war and certainly don't think anyone could take on Turkey (etc.), but we're living in a fantasy world if we're claiming it's illegal.

Sorry to burst your bubble but of all international conventions its the Geneva Conventions which remain greatly unratified, even if signed.

[Atelia]

If you refer to Bosnians and Albanians, I dont care as long as they arent spreading their Islamic values.

What, the exact same values as Christian values?

I applaud the Muslims on their conservativeness I really do. But I mean values unique to Islam like pedophilia.

[Threlizdun]

I trust the Jews and Christians with the Middle East more than anyone else (excluding the Kurds). Besides, we already have a recognized ISIL terrorist heck hole in the international community, called Saudi Arabia. One ISIL is enough, so let's carpet bomb the other.

If we don't call a Crusade on radical Islamic terrorism and the Pope doesn't grow a pair, we'll be in a lifetime of pain, as we've been since 2001 AD. Pope Francis is an amazing Christian, but an awfully weak Pope. He's too busy advocating for coddling potential terrorists of breeding age that are flooding Europe with rapid birth rates, and peddling a misinterpretation of climatology to actually put actions behind his wordy speeches against ISIL.

An united front of all civilized Christendom against ISIL, in the form of voluntary militiamen collaborating with the nations to remove Islamic terror at its source

It's very simple. We must shed the notions of rules of engagement and fight ISIL like we fought Japan and Germany in WWII (except, you know, the nukes) and like we fought Vietnam, with indiscriminate takedowns of their hostile governments by napalm, B-52 carpet bombing, and all conventional weapons at our disposal. No war has topped civilian deaths than WWII, and that was a just fight then and now.

We can always rebuild the ashes if we want to, but frankly, the Middle East is largely too stupid to govern itself (radical Islamic extremism being the polar opposite of humanity) and it'd have been better if the colonists either never came, or never left. Syria wouldn't be in civil war under the British Mandate or the Ottoman Empire. (As always, I must note we shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place!)

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Absent a Crusade, there is still a means to combat ISIL without a ground war.

The operations are simple. I am no soldier, but based on what I've read in history and the doctrines of "total war", we need to start with these tactics.

• We target and destroy all mines and natural resources being used by ISIL, including its oil reserves and infrastructure. We drone every truck on the road, and we could even warn them to get out. We bomb them intil the very caves and ground collapses under them.
• We bomb all infrastructure excluding schools and hospitals.
• We bomb anything of value excluding the Heritage Sites.
• We inject pig's blood, taken from a live pig as they watch, into all captured ISIL POWs (no torture needed for this is torture enough) and execute them using female soldiers with pig-laced bullets as a propaganda attack, because they belive both of those deeds will damn their subhuman "souls" to Hell. This will weaken their resolve, and it has been done before by American soldiers to great effect.
• We carpet bomb Raqqa (their capital) indiscriminately and force them to scatter. Civilians be darned, because they're not going to get out of the capital alive anyway. (Have you SEEN the rape dungeons they built in Raqqa?)
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• Instead of sending American and Western boots on the ground, we directly arm the Kurds with the guarentee of full independent statehood for their people and let them kill as they wish.
• We officially back Syria's government and help Assad destroy the terrorists fighting him until he is the undisputed controller of Syria. Most of the Syrian rebels are as extreme as ISIL. Assad may be a dictator, but he has protected the Kurds and Christians and Druze time and time again from genocide (unlike Saddam, who should have stayed in power).
• We pressure the Arabian states to take all these migrants through sanctions and trade. If they want us to buy their oil, they need to take every Islamic migrant they can. They want an Islamic society and they want to practice their faith over all others, so let's give them exactly what they asked for. Those states are rich and can afford it without having the cultural tensions Europe is getting from importing an alien religion and culture en masse. There are many other places to buy oil, including from Russia, Canada, the Asian states and Oceania islands in the region, China, and even the USA.
• The Christian and religious minority migrants from Syria can either settle in the newly free Kurdistan or can move to any Western country, because neither their religion nor their values are a threat or at risk of eclipsing the native populations by birth alone.

There will be no peace in the Middle East until ISIL is terminated, Assad is in power, and every subhuman in their ranks is four feet underground and injected with the blood of swine.

Deus vult.

Brilliant, let's justify everything Daesh says about the West.

[Farnhamia]

I trust the Jews and Christians with the Middle East more than anyone else (excluding the Kurds). Besides, we already have a recognized ISIL terrorist heck hole in the international community, called Saudi Arabia. One ISIL is enough, so let's carpet bomb the other.

If we don't call a Crusade on radical Islamic terrorism and the Pope doesn't grow a pair, we'll be in a lifetime of pain, as we've been since 2001 AD. Pope Francis is an amazing Christian, but an awfully weak Pope. He's too busy advocating for coddling potential terrorists of breeding age that are flooding Europe with rapid birth rates, and peddling a misinterpretation of climatology to actually put actions behind his wordy speeches against ISIL.

An united front of all civilized Christendom against ISIL, in the form of voluntary militiamen collaborating with the nations to remove Islamic terror at its source

It's very simple. We must shed the notions of rules of engagement and fight ISIL like we fought Japan and Germany in WWII (except, you know, the nukes) and like we fought Vietnam, with indiscriminate takedowns of their hostile governments by napalm, B-52 carpet bombing, and all conventional weapons at our disposal. No war has topped civilian deaths than WWII, and that was a just fight then and now.

We can always rebuild the ashes if we want to, but frankly, the Middle East is largely too stupid to govern itself (radical Islamic extremism being the polar opposite of humanity) and it'd have been better if the colonists either never came, or never left. Syria wouldn't be in civil war under the British Mandate or the Ottoman Empire. (As always, I must note we shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place!)

---

Absent a Crusade, there is still a means to combat ISIL without a ground war.

The operations are simple. I am no soldier, but based on what I've read in history and the doctrines of "total war", we need to start with these tactics.

• We target and destroy all mines and natural resources being used by ISIL, including its oil reserves and infrastructure. We drone every truck on the road, and we could even warn them to get out. We bomb them intil the very caves and ground collapses under them.
• We bomb all infrastructure excluding schools and hospitals.
• We bomb anything of value excluding the Heritage Sites.
• We inject pig's blood, taken from a live pig as they watch, into all captured ISIL POWs (no torture needed for this is torture enough) and execute them using female soldiers with pig-laced bullets as a propaganda attack, because they belive both of those deeds will damn their subhuman "souls" to Hell. This will weaken their resolve, and it has been done before by American soldiers to great effect.
• We carpet bomb Raqqa (their capital) indiscriminately and force them to scatter. Civilians be darned, because they're not going to get out of the capital alive anyway. (Have you SEEN the rape dungeons they built in Raqqa?)
  ---------------------------------------------------------
• Instead of sending American and Western boots on the ground, we directly arm the Kurds with the guarentee of full independent statehood for their people and let them kill as they wish.
• We officially back Syria's government and help Assad destroy the terrorists fighting him until he is the undisputed controller of Syria. Most of the Syrian rebels are as extreme as ISIL. Assad may be a dictator, but he has protected the Kurds and Christians and Druze time and time again from genocide (unlike Saddam, who should have stayed in power).
• We pressure the Arabian states to take all these migrants through sanctions and trade. If they want us to buy their oil, they need to take every Islamic migrant they can. They want an Islamic society and they want to practice their faith over all others, so let's give them exactly what they asked for. Those states are rich and can afford it without having the cultural tensions Europe is getting from importing an alien religion and culture en masse. There are many other places to buy oil, including from Russia, Canada, the Asian states and Oceania islands in the region, China, and even the USA.
• The Christian and religious minority migrants from Syria can either settle in the newly free Kurdistan or can move to any Western country, because neither their religion nor their values are a threat or at risk of eclipsing the native populations by birth alone.

There will be no peace in the Middle East until ISIL is terminated, Assad is in power, and every subhuman in their ranks is four feet underground and injected with the blood of swine.

Deus vult.

For this and your other posts in this thread, *** 1 day ban for trolling. ***

[Great Carlistan]

What, the exact same values as Christian values?

I applaud the Muslims on their conservativeness I really do. But I mean values unique to Islam like pedophilia.

Still sitting here waiting for reference from the Quran

[Sunken Island of Rhinomuraena]

What, the exact same values as Christian values?

I applaud the Muslims on their conservativeness I really do. But I mean values unique to Islam like pedophilia.

-_-
That's a christian value...

[Planita]

What, the exact same values as Christian values?

I applaud the Muslims on their conservativeness I really do. But I mean values unique to Islam like pedophilia.

What do you mean by their "conservativeness?"

[Quokkastan]

What, the exact same values as Christian values?

I applaud the Muslims on their conservativeness I really do. But I mean values unique to Islam like pedophilia.

Yes. Your Greeks have definitely never done that.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

What, the exact same values as Christian values?

I applaud the Muslims on their conservativeness I really do. But I mean values unique to Islam like pedophilia.

Which is not a value or tenant of the religion at all. And of course, Catholicism and other sects of Christianity surely are 100% innocent from such incidents.

[Planita]

I applaud the Muslims on their conservativeness I really do. But I mean values unique to Islam like pedophilia.

Yes. Your Greeks have definitely never done that.

Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty#The_Greeks

Don't look at the pictures.

[Risottia]

I don't see any method that would turn the place back to a Christian stronghold without violating international law several times over.

Conquest is not against international law .

Ever heard about "waging war of aggression" and "principle of self-determination"?

[Salus Maior]

No. A Crusade would be the least helpful thing in restoring "peace and order".

*sigh* It's winter. So why do people act like it's summer?

It is Winter Break.

[Atelia]

If you refer to Bosnians and Albanians, I dont care as long as they arent spreading their Islamic values.

You should be ashamed of yourself. It is this sort of thing why there is death all over the world. Whatever happened to many paths leading to the one and true God as we were taught in school?

I wasnt taught that in School and if I was, I certainly wouldnt have kept going to it.

International law is purely shackles. Shackles must be broken for true liberty. 'Freedom or Death' comes to mind.

So violating a multitude of laws in the name of a fanatical religious mission. Doesn't sound familiar at all.

One mans Terrorist is anothers Freedom fighter comes to mind.

Disgusting heretics. Im annoyed that I have to tolerate Protestants.

Cathars are Protestant now?

No Cathars are far worse.

If you refer to Bosnians and Albanians, I dont care as long as they arent spreading their Islamic values.

Yeah, it is only okay when you spread YOUR values, and it is only okay to advocate religious conflict when it is your religion. That excuses everything. Atrocities just have to happen in the name of the right faith is all.

Yes something that is true does beat something that is false afterall.

If you refer to Bosnians and Albanians, I dont care as long as they arent spreading their Islamic values.

What are you talking about? They aren't the same "Islamic Values" that Middle easterners or pretty much anyone else in the Muslim world has. Different way of practicing Shariah.

Im aware, that doesnt mean their any better.

[Salus Maior]

I applaud the Muslims on their conservativeness I really do. But I mean values unique to Islam like pedophilia.

-_-
That's a christian value...[/quote]

....No....?