Seem the US just admitted they have a colony

[Eastern Equestria]

>presidential decree should force Puerto Rico to become something they don't want to
lol, ok

I am against america remaining an empire, in order to not be an empire we must get rid of are colonies whether they like it or not.

In that case you care much less for their autonomy than the US does.

[United Marxist Nations]

You understand what an empire is, right? It literally just means a multinational state ruled by a core nation. Almost every major state on the planet is an empire.

Sealand.

*jumps off bridge*

[Vassenor]

You understand what an empire is, right? It literally just means a multinational state ruled by a core nation. Almost every major state on the planet is an empire.

Sealand.

SEALAND STRONK

[Rio Cana]

I know that.

But seriously, Why would anyone vote to become a minority in there own nation. US record on the treatment of minorities has much to be desired.

...what, do you think that upon attaining statehood, the landmass and population of Puerto Rico would be raised out of the Caribbean and distributed equally between the other fifty states?

You know better then that. Has a whole, if we became part of the US with its over 300 million we would become instant minorities. Just look at Hawaii. From majority native Hawaiian to minority native Hawaiian.

If you could read Spanish you would find the sources.

I have already provided you with a link to the amicus curiae brief Verrelli filed with the Supreme Court, and I cannot imagine a better source for what Vernelli said in that document than the document itself. And it is, unsurprisingly, in English. Reading Spanish not required.

So where in that document did he say what you, and apparently some Spanish language media, claim he says? Quote the passage you believe constitutes him admitting that Puerto Rico is a colony of the United States.

According to our Governor and other political experts that is what he inferred.

People know it. Just watch this from last month from a US source -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPR1Ex8PbBs

[Rio Cana]

I know that.

But seriously, Why would anyone vote to become a minority in there own nation. US record on the treatment of minorities has much to be desired.

What exactly are you expecting to befall Puerto Ricans should they gain statehood? For their island to get overrun by gangs of rowdy white teenagers that liken themselves to a form of aircraft propulsion?

You want an answer then ask a Canadian why he does not want Canada to become part of the US. And Canada, except possibly for the French part, closely resembles US culture including language.

[Eastern Equestria]

What exactly are you expecting to befall Puerto Ricans should they gain statehood? For their island to get overrun by gangs of rowdy white teenagers that liken themselves to a form of aircraft propulsion?

You want an answer then ask a Canadian why he does not want Canada to become part of the US. And Canada, except possibly for the French part, closely resembles US culture including language.

What does Canada's presence as a sovereign neighbor have to do with Puerto Rican statehood? And unlike Canada, Puerto Rico would have a lot to gain from becoming a US state.

[Vassenor]

What exactly are you expecting to befall Puerto Ricans should they gain statehood? For their island to get overrun by gangs of rowdy white teenagers that liken themselves to a form of aircraft propulsion?

You want an answer then ask a Canadian why he does not want Canada to become part of the US. And Canada, except possibly for the French part, closely resembles US culture including language.

Except that Canada is a sovereign nation and not a self-governing territory of another nation.

[Noraika]

Okay...and? The States, and several other nations, have plenty of territories of various kinds. Nothing innately wrong with a country having them.

[Rio Cana]

You want an answer then ask a Canadian why he does not want Canada to become part of the US. And Canada, except possibly for the French part, closely resembles US culture including language.

Except that Canada is a sovereign nation and not a self-governing territory of another nation.

PR. was a war prize in which the so called people of this island were not even invited to the Paris treaty talks. Just like Cuba, both Cuba and the Philippines. Not a very democratic thing for a so called democratic nation to do.

[Barcelonetta]

Puerto Rico isn't a colony.

Do you prefer to call it "protectorate"?

In the US it's known as a Commonwealth, however on the Island. It's a Freely Associated State.

[Barcelonetta]

......

Puerto Rico isn't a colony.

And about the US Media not saying anything about this...I can't find any references in BBC, The Guardian or the Daily Mail, just for some example.

Also, Puerto Rico does have the option of becoming a State, like Crimea had a 'referendum' to be apart of Russia.

Congress has to approve statehood, which the current congress would never ever do. If the Democrats get control back it could happen however.

Even if congress were to approve statehood for Puerto Rico, surely its economy would have to go up. Right now it isn't even that good on the island. That's why there are so many gangs and drug shipments on the island, unemployment is also another issue.

[United Dependencies]

Considering that Puerto Rico can apply for statehood anytime they want, I wouldn't exactly call it a colony.

[Barcelonetta]

Considering that Puerto Rico can apply for statehood anytime they want, I wouldn't exactly consider them a colony.

Yeah. Puerto Rico is often considered for statehood, than other US territories like Guam or the US Virgin Islands.

[Eastern Equestria]

Except that Canada is a sovereign nation and not a self-governing territory of another nation.

PR. was a war prize in which the so called people of this island were not even invited to the Paris treaty talks. Just like Cuba, both Cuba and the Philippines. Not a very democratic thing for a so called democratic nation to do.

You're purposefully ignoring the fact that PR has turned down every opportunity to go its separate ways from the US. In that last referendum, I believe less than 3% of Puerto Ricans expressed support for PR independence. So what's all this complaining about being non-democratic? The people of Puerto Rico have spoken, and they're not intent on leaving the clutches of Lady Liberty.

[Vassenor]

PR. was a war prize in which the so called people of this island were not even invited to the Paris treaty talks. Just like Cuba, both Cuba and the Philippines. Not a very democratic thing for a so called democratic nation to do.

You're purposefully ignoring the fact that PR has turned down every opportunity to go its separate ways from the US. In that last referendum, I believe less than 3% of Puerto Ricans expressed support for PR independence. So what's all this complaining about being non-democratic? The people of Puerto Rico have spoken, and they're not intent on leaving the clutches of Lady Liberty.

Self-determination is only self-determination when they self-determine a way a given person wants them too. Otherwise it's all a trick designed to reinforce imperialism.

[Traxa]

Puerto Rico hasn't applied for statehood.

As for the OP, it looks like much ado about nothing.

That's the point. To a US mainlander or someone from around the world, it is considered nothing. But we are the ones on the Ship SS PR. which is heading toward the reefs while the US is more interested in places like Ukraine or Afghanistan. They send millions to Ukraine and they have spent One trillion in Afghanistan with nothing really to show for it and they will not even let the island government here exercise the right of Chapter 9 bankruptcy which is needed because of the possible bond default that is expected next year.

so you're mad because the US wont give you a bailout.

Muchado about nothing indeed

[Uxupox]

If we are a colony it's because the people here are the ones who want to be in this state of affairs. We have been given plenty of times to elect our own self-determination and every time (Except that last time where supposedly the statehood option) and we have refused to part with the United States and allowed things to stay as they were. Less than 3% of the population want independence, the two big political parties here are the PPD and the PNP (And the only ones worth of note anyway) who opt for a continued relationship with the United States.

[Risottia]

Yeah, same. I just can't really figure WHY. I mean, why should Hawaii be a State but Puerto Rico shouldn't?

PR. can never be a US State since no-US nuke can be stationed in PR. Now does the US want a Nuke Free State. I do not think so.

If PR becomes a State it's the federal gov't that gets to choose where weapons of the US military are placed.

[Benomia 3]

You're purposefully ignoring the fact that PR has turned down every opportunity to go its separate ways from the US. In that last referendum, I believe less than 3% of Puerto Ricans expressed support for PR independence. So what's all this complaining about being non-democratic? The people of Puerto Rico have spoken, and they're not intent on leaving the clutches of Lady Liberty.

Self-determination is only self-determination when they self-determine a way a given person wants them too. Otherwise it's all a trick designed to reinforce imperialism.

3%

[Ifreann]

I have already provided you with a link to the amicus curiae brief Verrelli filed with the Supreme Court, and I cannot imagine a better source for what Vernelli said in that document than the document itself. And it is, unsurprisingly, in English. Reading Spanish not required.

So where in that document did he say what you, and apparently some Spanish language media, claim he says? Quote the passage you believe constitutes him admitting that Puerto Rico is a colony of the United States.

According to our Governor and other political experts that is what he inferred.

Where did he imply it? What words of his make this implication?

People know it. Just watch this from last month from a US source -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPR1Ex8PbBs

Not pushed about watching youtube videos as sources.

[Nelson R Mandela]

......

Puerto Rico isn't a colony.

And about the US Media not saying anything about this...I can't find any references in BBC, The Guardian or the Daily Mail, just for some example.

Also, Puerto Rico does have the option of becoming a State, like Crimea had a 'referendum' to be apart of Russia.

US Media wouldn't even mention it to begin with.

[Mike the Progressive]

Here's an idea, how about we modify the current treaty and have it where if you are from PR, you can't just migrate over here. And honestly, if PR's government is going to be butthurt, they can worry about their economic collapse themselves (which we will most likely end up taking care of next year).

[Benomia 3]

Here's an idea, how about we modify the current treaty and have it where if you are from PR, you can't just migrate over here. And honestly, if PR's government is going to be butthurt, they can worry about their economic collapse themselves (which we will most likely end up taking care of next year).

I have a better idea. Let's completely dissolve the federal government, and have each state and territory just become totally independent countries.

[Mike the Progressive]

Here's an idea, how about we modify the current treaty and have it where if you are from PR, you can't just migrate over here. And honestly, if PR's government is going to be butthurt, they can worry about their economic collapse themselves (which we will most likely end up taking care of next year).

I have a better idea. Let's completely dissolve the federal government, and have each state and territory just become totally independent countries.

I have an even better idea. Let's bomb Russia.

[Nelson R Mandela]

I have a better idea. Let's completely dissolve the federal government, and have each state and territory just become totally independent countries.

I have an even better idea. Let's bomb Russia.

Best idea if you want Earth to be a nuclear wasteland