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Postby Rhodesia » Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:58 am

The US certainly treats PR like a colony. I think the country ought to become either the 51st state or independent. The current status "associated free state" is just technical legal jargon for "colony".
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Postby Benomia 3 » Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:00 am

Rhodesia wrote:The US certainly treats PR like a colony. I think the country ought to become either the 51st state or independent. The current status "associated free state" is just technical legal jargon for "colony".


Why do you hate the population of Puerto Rico so much that you'd nullify their self-chosen status and replace it with one they don't want?
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:01 am

Rhodesia wrote:The US certainly treats PR like a colony. I think the country ought to become either the 51st state or independent. The current status "associated free state" is just technical legal jargon for "colony".


I'd prefer if we just stop letting them freely move to the US and give them independence. See how well they do.

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Postby Uxupox » Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:04 am

Rhodesia wrote:The US certainly treats PR like a colony. I think the country ought to become either the 51st state or independent. The current status "associated free state" is just technical legal jargon for "colony".


Nicely done ignoring the self-determination that the puertoricans have elected upon themselves numerous times.
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Postby Nelson R Mandela » Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:06 am

Rhodesia wrote:The US certainly treats PR like a colony. I think the country ought to become either the 51st state or independent. The current status "associated free state" is just technical legal jargon for "colony".

How about no?
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Postby Rhodesia » Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:24 am

Benomia 3 wrote:
Rhodesia wrote:The US certainly treats PR like a colony. I think the country ought to become either the 51st state or independent. The current status "associated free state" is just technical legal jargon for "colony".


Why do you hate the population of Puerto Rico so much that you'd nullify their self-chosen status and replace it with one they don't want?

The last referendum chose statehood. It was ignored by Washington and the incoming government on PR. So much for those self-determination polls, eh.
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Postby Benomia 3 » Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:49 am

Rhodesia wrote:
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Why do you hate the population of Puerto Rico so much that you'd nullify their self-chosen status and replace it with one they don't want?

The last referendum chose statehood. It was ignored by Washington and the incoming government on PR. So much for those self-determination polls, eh.


A minority of voters chose statehood. A minority of voters chose to remain a territory. A minority of voters chose independence. Of the three, the minority that chose to remain a territory was far larger than the other two minorities. So the status quo remained.
Anything else is revisionist and false. The referendum did not chose statehood.
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:51 am

Even if Puerto Rico voted to self-determine or whatever, we'd probably still be like "no fuck u we're keeping u".
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Postby Benomia 3 » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:04 am

Senkaku wrote:Even if Puerto Rico voted to self-determine or whatever, we'd probably still be like "no fuck u we're keeping u".


Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:08 am

Benomia 3 wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Even if Puerto Rico voted to self-determine or whatever, we'd probably still be like "no fuck u we're keeping u".


Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

I'm saying what I feel like the United States' attitude towards Puerto Rico is?
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Postby Benomia 3 » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:10 am

Senkaku wrote:
Benomia 3 wrote:
Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?

I'm saying what I feel like the United States' attitude towards Puerto Rico is?

Well if we're sharing our feelings now, I feel that royal purple is a fine color, but sadly underused in modern fashion.
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Postby Cymrea » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:16 am

Benomia 3 wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I'm saying what I feel like the United States' attitude towards Puerto Rico is?

Well if we're sharing our feelings now, I feel that royal purple is a fine color, but sadly underused in modern fashion.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:22 am

Cymrea wrote:
Benomia 3 wrote:Well if we're sharing our feelings now, I feel that royal purple is a fine color, but sadly underused in modern fashion.

Opinions are not permitted. Have the temerity to express one and be prepared to be mocked by the debate snobs. ;)

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Postby Cymrea » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:27 am

Ifreann wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Opinions are not permitted. Have the temerity to express one and be prepared to be mocked by the debate snobs. ;)

Opinions based on nothing are like empty cardboard boxes. Great fun for kids, disappointing for adults.

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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:52 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Rhodesia wrote:The US certainly treats PR like a colony. I think the country ought to become either the 51st state or independent. The current status "associated free state" is just technical legal jargon for "colony".


I'd prefer if we just stop letting them freely move to the US and give them independence. See how well they do.


PR. would do very well since South Korea, the EU. and China would jump to invest in PR. PR. could negotiate directly with those nations. Has it is now, the US has to give approval. And you know they will prefer any new foreign investment to go to a State on the mainland and not PR.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:53 am

Rio Cana wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
I'd prefer if we just stop letting them freely move to the US and give them independence. See how well they do.


PR. would do very well since South Korea, the EU. and China would jump to invest in PR. PR. could negotiate directly with those nations. Has it is now, the US has to give approval. And you know they will prefer any new foreign investment to go to a State on the mainland and not PR.

Wow, that is a thorough and comprehensive explanation of how Solicitor General Verrelli admitted that Puerto Rico is a colony of the United States.
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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:56 am

Benomia 3 wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I'm saying what I feel like the United States' attitude towards Puerto Rico is?

Well if we're sharing our feelings now, I feel that royal purple is a fine color, but sadly underused in modern fashion.


Speaking about colors, that is the color of the "Working People's Party" which is a new political party in PR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_P ... uerto_Rico
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:58 am

Rio Cana wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
I'd prefer if we just stop letting them freely move to the US and give them independence. See how well they do.


PR. would do very well since South Korea, the EU. and China would jump to invest in PR. PR. could negotiate directly with those nations. Has it is now, the US has to give approval. And you know they will prefer any new foreign investment to go to a State on the mainland and not PR.


And do you have any evidence that this is guaranteed to happen?
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Postby Cymrea » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:00 am

Vassenor wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:
PR. would do very well since South Korea, the EU. and China would jump to invest in PR. PR. could negotiate directly with those nations. Has it is now, the US has to give approval. And you know they will prefer any new foreign investment to go to a State on the mainland and not PR.


And do you have any evidence that this is guaranteed to happen?

Puerto Rico would need to be independent first, and there's no evidence to even guarantee that will happen anytime soon.
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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:23 am

Ifreann wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:
PR. would do very well since South Korea, the EU. and China would jump to invest in PR. PR. could negotiate directly with those nations. Has it is now, the US has to give approval. And you know they will prefer any new foreign investment to go to a State on the mainland and not PR.

Wow, that is a thorough and comprehensive explanation of how Solicitor General Verrelli admitted that Puerto Rico is a colony of the United States.


I think we have an unbeliever here. :lol:

The following is an article from Fox Latino (you know Fox news Latino service) -

El Ejecutivo puertorriqueño hizo pública hoy la carta enviada a Ban, una iniciativa que sigue a un pronunciamiento del procurador general de EE.UU., Donald Verrilli, en el que este señaló que Puerto Rico no tiene soberanía propia para juzgar a una persona que ya había sido juzgada en el ámbito federal de EE.UU.

Translated using Yahoo translator -
The Puerto Rican Executive made public today a letter sent to Ban, an initiative that follows a statement by the US attorney general, Donald Verrilli, which this indicated that Puerto Rico does not own sovereignty to judge a person already he had been tried at the federal level US


If you have no sovereignty then you are a colony. He was inferring that PR. was a colony .

The entire article from Fox Latino - http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/espano ... e-la-isla/

From the Daily The Americas newspaper which is an old and well respected newspaper located in Miami -
http://www.diariolasamericas.com/4851_e ... -eeuu.html

From Noticel but this time an island legislator is supporting the Governor who sent a letter to the UN and US leader on this controversy. -
http://www.noticel.com/noticia/184894/c ... tatus.html
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Postby Uxupox » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:32 am

Rio Cana wrote:
Benomia 3 wrote:Well if we're sharing our feelings now, I feel that royal purple is a fine color, but sadly underused in modern fashion.


Speaking about colors, that is the color of the "Working People's Party" which is a new political party in PR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_P ... uerto_Rico


That is a non-existent party that nobody will vote for anyway.
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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:49 am

Vassenor wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:
PR. would do very well since South Korea, the EU. and China would jump to invest in PR. PR. could negotiate directly with those nations. Has it is now, the US has to give approval. And you know they will prefer any new foreign investment to go to a State on the mainland and not PR.


And do you have any evidence that this is guaranteed to happen?


Portek International out of Singapore is going to run the Port of the Americas in Southern Puerto Rico. The Port can handle those new huge container ships. Portek while being a Singapore company was bought by Mitsui & Co. a major Japanese company with business all around the world.

Story on the Port of the Americas and Portek - http://newsismybusiness.com/internation ... e-operate/
This on Portek - https://www.portek.com/
This on Mitsu - https://www.mitsui.com/jp/en/index.html

Then we have Lufthansa which has already set up in PR.
The following is old news on what Lufthansa would be doing in PR.
http://www.onlineamd.com/article/luftha ... ico-112514

Edit - Puma a Swiss company bought out Texaco in PR. And Esso PR. sold out to TOTAL from France.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:51 am

Rio Cana wrote:PR. would do very well since South Korea, the EU. and China would jump to invest in PR. PR. could negotiate directly with those nations. Has it is now, the US has to give approval. And you know they will prefer any new foreign investment to go to a State on the mainland and not PR.

DOES such investment have to go through the State Department? Because that's not the case for the States; foreign interests buy shit here all the time.

To be sure, we can't negotiate our own trade deals, but the States are pretty much completely open to foreign investment.
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Postby Rio Cana » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:51 am

Uxupox wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:
Speaking about colors, that is the color of the "Working People's Party" which is a new political party in PR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_P ... uerto_Rico


That is a non-existent party that nobody will vote for anyway.

That party exists. And people do vote for it.
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:52 am

Benomia 3 wrote:Have we seriously reached the level of historical ignorance in which people are wholly unaware that Puerto Rico is an American territory?

What next, are people are going to be surprised that China is a country and not an abstract concept that produces products?

Won't they really be surprised when they find out Taiwan is just a figment of their imagination? /nods

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