Drug Legalisation too Slow: Cause for Revolution?

[Krosana]

Hey now, illegal drugs do better the culture. Breaking Bad wouldn't have been so outstanding if it was about making caffeine drinks rather than meth.

Well, the back of a monster can does mention a lab...

*Ahem*...

[Imperializt Russia]

So we shouldn't legalize illegal drugs?
You do realize that once we legalize them, they won't be illegal, right?

Then people will die for overdoses, people will be mugged and murdered, the consequences will be horrible. I know of people who were once nice people, who have become shit because of drugs, that's right Ben Richardson, I am looking at you.

Because no-one overdoses on prescription medication, over the counter medication, or alcohol.

[Benomia 3]

So we shouldn't legalize illegal drugs?
You do realize that once we legalize them, they won't be illegal, right?

Then people will die for overdoses, people will be mugged and murdered, the consequences will be horrible. I know of people who were once nice people, who have become shit because of drugs, that's right Ben Richardson, I am looking at you.

You're making a great argument for why we should end prohibition. If we legalize and regulate most drugs, people won't be so desperate to find them that they'll resort to unsafe or illegal activity to acquire them.

[Novaja Zemlja]

So we shouldn't legalize illegal drugs?
You do realize that once we legalize them, they won't be illegal, right?

Then people will die for overdoses, people will be mugged and murdered, the consequences will be horrible. I know of people who were once nice people, who have become shit because of drugs, that's right Ben Richardson, I am looking at you.

On the other hand I know people who went crazy over bad prepared drugs. These drugs are illegal, but people still used them, and because they are illegal and ill-prepared it proved fatal for most.

That said, drugs will still do some sort of harm, but I guess it will do less when producing drugs is legal and set to certain norms (for an acceptable price).

[Socialist Tera]

Then people will die for overdoses, people will be mugged and murdered, the consequences will be horrible. I know of people who were once nice people, who have become shit because of drugs, that's right Ben Richardson, I am looking at you.

You're making a great argument for why we should end prohibition. If we legalize and regulate most drugs, people won't be so desperate to find them that they'll resort to unsafe or illegal activity to acquire them.

Then people will them more and more. A lot of the negative behavior comes from drug use.

Then people will die for overdoses, people will be mugged and murdered, the consequences will be horrible. I know of people who were once nice people, who have become shit because of drugs, that's right Ben Richardson, I am looking at you.

On the other hand I know people who went crazy over bad prepared drugs. These drugs are illegal, but people still used them, and because they are illegal and ill-prepared it proved fatal for most.

That said, drugs will still do some sort of harm, but I guess it will do less when producing drugs is legal and set to certain norms (for an acceptable price).

Depends on the person and the drugs. With LSD it depends on the person for example.

[Benomia 3]

You're making a great argument for why we should end prohibition. If we legalize and regulate most drugs, people won't be so desperate to find them that they'll resort to unsafe or illegal activity to acquire them.

Then people will them more and more. A lot of the negative behavior comes from drug use.

A lot of negative behaviour comes from having to wake up at five in the morning to go to a white collar job, but we aren't banning that.

[Imperializt Russia]

You're making a great argument for why we should end prohibition. If we legalize and regulate most drugs, people won't be so desperate to find them that they'll resort to unsafe or illegal activity to acquire them.

Then people will them more and more. A lot of the negative behavior comes from drug use.

Because American society collapsed when prohibition was lifted.

[Novaja Zemlja]

On the other hand I know people who went crazy over bad prepared drugs. These drugs are illegal, but people still used them, and because they are illegal and ill-prepared it proved fatal for most.

That said, drugs will still do some sort of harm, but I guess it will do less when producing drugs is legal and set to certain norms (for an acceptable price).

Depends on the person and the drugs. With LSD it depends on the person for example.

Yes exactly, it depends on the quality of the drugs. Good branded spirit is a lot less dangerous than bad branded one, and I mean that not in the context of taste.

[Socialist Tera]

Then people will them more and more. A lot of the negative behavior comes from drug use.

Because American society collapsed when prohibition was lifted.

Let's look at Ice:
Ice affects everyone differently, but effects may include:

Feelings of pleasure and confidence
Increased alertness and energy
Repeating simple things like itching and scratching
Enlarged pupils and dry mouth
Teeth grinding and excessive sweating
Fast heart rate and breathing
Reduced appetite
Increased sex drive3,4,5

Overdose

If a large amount or a strong batch is taken, it could also cause an overdose. If any of the following effects are experienced an ambulance should be called straight away by dialling triple zero (000). Ambulance officers don’t need to involve the police.

Racing heart beat and chest pain
Breathing problems
Fits or uncontrolled jerking
Extreme agitation, confusion, clumsiness
Sudden, severe headache
Unconsciousness
Stroke, heart attack and death4,5,8
Coming down

It can take several days to ‘come down’ from using ice. The following effects may be experienced during this time:

Difficulty sleeping and exhaustion
Headaches, dizziness and blurred vision
Paranoia, hallucinations and confusion
Irritability and feeling ‘down’5,7

Using a depressant drug such as alcohol, benzodiazepines or cannabis to help with the ‘come down’ effects may result in a cycle of dependence on both types of drugs.

Long term effects

With regular use, ice may eventually cause:

Extreme weight loss due to reduced appetite
Restless sleep
Dry mouth and dental problems
Regular colds or flu
Trouble concentrating
Breathlessness
Muscle stiffness
Anxiety, paranoia and violence
Depression
Heart and kidney problems
Increased risk of stroke
Needing to use more to get the same effect
Dependence on ice
Financial, work or social problems4


Ice psychosis

High doses of ice and frequent use may also cause ‘ice psychosis’. This condition is characterised by paranoid delusions, hallucinations and bizarre, aggressive or violent behaviour. These symptoms usually disappear a few days after the person stops using ice.4

Dependence

People who regularly use ice can quickly become dependent on the drug. They may feel they need ice to go about their normal activities like working, studying and socialising, or just to get through the day.8

Mental health problems

Some people who regularly use ice may start to feel less enjoyment with everyday activities. They can get stressed easily and their moods can go up and down quite quickly. These changes can lead to longer term problems with anxiety and depression. People may feel these effects for at least several weeks or months after they give up ice.9

Mixing ice with other drugs

The effects of taking ice with other drugs − including over-the-counter or prescribed medications − can be unpredictable and dangerous, and could cause:

Ice + speed or ecstasy: enormous strain on the heart and other parts of the body, which can lead to stroke.5

Ice + alcohol, cannabis or benzodiazepines: enormous strain on the body, and more likely to overdose. The stimulant effects of ice may mask the effects of depressant drugs like benzodiazepines and can increase the risk of overdose.6

Withdrawal

Giving up ice after using it for a long time is challenging because the body has to get used to functioning without it. Withdrawal symptoms generally settle down after a week and will mostly disappear after a month. Symptoms can include:

Cravings for ice
Increased appetite
Confusion and irritability
Aches and pains
Exhaustion
Restless sleep and nightmares
Anxiety, depression and paranoia

You don't want those kinds of drugs in society...

[Socialist Tera]

Then people will them more and more. A lot of the negative behavior comes from drug use.

A lot of negative behaviour comes from having to wake up at five in the morning to go to a white collar job, but we aren't banning that.

Tell me what is the positives effects of these drugs- Heroin
- Cocaine
-Ice
-Ketamine

[Novaja Zemlja]

A lot of negative behaviour comes from having to wake up at five in the morning to go to a white collar job, but we aren't banning that.

Tell me what is the positives effects of these drugs- Heroin
- Cocaine
-Ice
-Ketamine

It's whether a person wants to use it, or not.

[Socialist Tera]

Tell me what is the positives effects of these drugs- Heroin
- Cocaine
-Ice
-Ketamine

It's whether a person wants to use it, or not.

Who cares if they want to use it? If it damages society that badly, it should not be there. Don't be an ultraleftist.

[Imperializt Russia]

A lot of negative behaviour comes from having to wake up at five in the morning to go to a white collar job, but we aren't banning that.

Tell me what is the positives effects of these drugs- Heroin
- Cocaine
-Ice
-Ketamine

Heroin is basically just morphine, for starters.

[Socialist Tera]

I have a question, is legalization drugs include date rape drugs? Will there be penalties for spikers still?

[Novaja Zemlja]

It's whether a person wants to use it, or not.

Who cares if they want to use it? If it damages society that badly, it should not be there. Don't be an ultraleftist.

I'm definitely not left-wing nor right-wing.

What is society anyway?

[Socialist Tera]

Who cares if they want to use it? If it damages society that badly, it should not be there. Don't be an ultraleftist.

I'm definitely not left-wing nor right-wing.

What is society anyway?

From Oxford dictionaries- The aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community.

[Novaja Zemlja]

I'm definitely not left-wing nor right-wing.

What is society anyway?

From Oxford dictionaries- The aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community.

So how is it be damaging per se?

[Socialist Tera]

From Oxford dictionaries- The aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community.

So how is it be damaging per se?

People become addicted to the substance and they do act of violence that effects families, friends and random strangers.

[Benomia 3]

It's whether a person wants to use it, or not.

Who cares if they want to use it? If it damages society that badly, it should not be there. Don't be an ultraleftist.

So we should remove everything from society that doesn't benefit it in some way?

All right, time to bulldoze all the playgrounds and gardens, make way for the ultraefficient sardine-box-houses and cube shaped cars.

Because a productive society is a healthy society, right? Who needs fun when society needs you to work?

[Benomia 3]

I have a question, is legalization drugs include date rape drugs? Will there be penalties for spikers still?

That's like saying that legalizing euthanasia will let doctors kill patients they don't like.

[Socialist Tera]

Who cares if they want to use it? If it damages society that badly, it should not be there. Don't be an ultraleftist.

So we should remove everything from society that doesn't benefit it in some way?

All right, time to bulldoze all the playgrounds and gardens, make way for the ultraefficient sardine-box-houses and cube shaped cars.

Because a productive society is a healthy society, right? Who needs fun when society needs you to work?

It does, it provides a healthy physical entertainment for children. Playgrounds don't cause children to attack their mothers.

[Imperializt Russia]

I have a question, is legalization drugs include date rape drugs? Will there be penalties for spikers still?

Of course there will, because you will have maliciously poisoned and raped someone.
Debates work better when you don't invent absurd consequences.

[Socialist Tera]

I have a question, is legalization drugs include date rape drugs? Will there be penalties for spikers still?

Of course there will, because you will have maliciously poisoned and raped someone.
Debates work better when you don't invent absurd consequences.

It could happen and he might say "She wanted the drug".

[Imperializt Russia]

So we should remove everything from society that doesn't benefit it in some way?

All right, time to bulldoze all the playgrounds and gardens, make way for the ultraefficient sardine-box-houses and cube shaped cars.

Because a productive society is a healthy society, right? Who needs fun when society needs you to work?

It does, it provides a healthy physical entertainment for children. Playgrounds don't cause children to attack their mothers.

Have you never seen a temper tantrum?

[Benomia 3]

So we should remove everything from society that doesn't benefit it in some way?

All right, time to bulldoze all the playgrounds and gardens, make way for the ultraefficient sardine-box-houses and cube shaped cars.

Because a productive society is a healthy society, right? Who needs fun when society needs you to work?

It does, it provides a healthy physical entertainment for children. Playgrounds don't cause children to attack their mothers.

If you really believe that, you obviously have never actually seen a heroin den. Or a New Jersey playground, for that matter.