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Postby Sino nations » Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:07 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Sino nations wrote:Give me a source.A reliable one.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default ... eb2015.pdf
I suspect the Drug Policy Alliance is an NGO, but is you scroll to the bottom you will see the article is exceedingly well-sourced.

http://www.tdpf.org.uk/blog/drug-decrim ... d-straight
Transform Drug Policy Foundation points out that it's not just the mere act of decriminalisation - they followed through with the much-needed change in attitude to drugs, by making drug policy a health issue rather than a criminal issue.
Canada implemented steps toward this by providing facilities where persons could go and receive equipment to use drugs safely. I believe Canada saw similar results in usage rates and improved public health.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal
A general Wikipedia overview for completeness.

DPA is literrally Drug Policy Alliance.So its supporting Drugs.Also no increase in drug use is good, but many other people from other nations might be idiots that just dont care.
And decrase in HIV, hmm... just got bit smarter.
But seriously? wikipedia?
Also, some reasons why the policy faced slight improvement was limits of:

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:09 am

Hladgos wrote:What the feck. All drugs should be banned. They are a threat to the productivity of industrialized society.

Caffeine lol.
Aspirin lol.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:14 am

Sino nations wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:http://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default ... eb2015.pdf
I suspect the Drug Policy Alliance is an NGO, but is you scroll to the bottom you will see the article is exceedingly well-sourced.

http://www.tdpf.org.uk/blog/drug-decrim ... d-straight
Transform Drug Policy Foundation points out that it's not just the mere act of decriminalisation - they followed through with the much-needed change in attitude to drugs, by making drug policy a health issue rather than a criminal issue.
Canada implemented steps toward this by providing facilities where persons could go and receive equipment to use drugs safely. I believe Canada saw similar results in usage rates and improved public health.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Portugal
A general Wikipedia overview for completeness.

DPA is literrally Drug Policy Alliance.So its supporting Drugs.Also no increase in drug use is good, but many other people from other nations might be idiots that just dont care.
And decrase in HIV, hmm... just got bit smarter.
But seriously? wikipedia?
Also, some reasons why the policy faced slight improvement was limits of:

25 g Cannabis (herb)
10 g Opium
5 g Hashish
2.5 g Cannabis Oil
2 g Cocaine (Hydrochloride)
2 g Morphine
1 g MDMA
1 g Heroin
1 g Methadone
1 g Amphetamine
0.5 g Pure THC
0.3 g Cocaine (Benzoylecgonine)
0.1 g PCP
500 µg LSD

If your opinion is that anyone who supports relaxing drug regulations is wrong "because", then you are pathetically closed-minded and should really do something about that.
If you read what I posted, I admitted the bias of that site, but emphasised the sources of that document. Which are what you should be paying attention to.
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Postby Krosana » Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:30 am

Of course this moron made this post. Why am I not surprised?

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Postby Krosana » Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:55 am

Hellpop wrote:It's an important issue, but not important enough to warrant a revolution of any kind, though I assume you meant a violent revolution. Definitely not.

Krosana wrote:Of course this moron made this post. Why am I not surprised?

Now now, let's not start personal attacks and such.

Okay, well first if a revolution were to happen, simply on the basis of drug legalisation, the new government, if it didn't fall apart immediatley, would likely just flop around for a little while before collapsing. Not only that, drugs should simply not be legalised in the first place. Even moderate cannibis use over number of years causes psychosis, and other mental health issues. People need to do research on the actual scientfic consenssus and stop listening to TYT. Now may I attack him?
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Postby The Mediterranean Republic » Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:52 am

Lemme get this straight...you want us, to start a violent bloody insurrection just so we can smoke weed everyday?

Kinda a waste of human life and overly violent?
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Postby Novaja Zemlja » Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:52 am

I see no reason for a revolution as a market that exists outside of the law of the state already exists. What people can do is have a bigger role inside that very market, ie black labor, non-documented contracts, illegal trade etcetera.

When the revenue of the state is brought to a minimum it is forced to legalize.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:57 am

The Mediterranean Republic wrote:Lemme get this straight...you want us, to start a violent bloody insurrection just so we can smoke weed everyday?

Kinda a waste of human life and overly violent?

It's not a baseless suggestion, obviously IM has latched onto completely the wrong point.
The grievance would be the fact that such a basic human freedom is not permitted. Not "because drugs".
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:32 am

San Lumen wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Nope.


they do. I've seen the effects in my own community. What purpose do cocaine, PCP, meth and heroin serve? do tell

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Hladgos wrote:What the feck. All drugs should be banned. They are a threat to the productivity of industrialized society.


So you're going to fight to make coffee illegal?

People would be a lot more productive if they weren't spending so much time on coffee breaks.

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:37 am

Ifreann wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So you're going to fight to make coffee illegal?

People would be a lot more productive if they weren't spending so much time on coffee breaks.


Pumpkin Spice Latte? Now that there is a drug.
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Postby Krosana » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:15 am

Hellpop wrote:Would you care to source that?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/
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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:16 am

Don't be ridiculous, drugs destroy society. There are no benefits in legalizing drugs other than weed.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:22 am

Socialist Tera wrote:Don't be ridiculous, drugs destroy society. There are no benefits in legalizing drugs other than weed.

Caffeine.
Aspirin.
Penicillin.
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Postby Krosana » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:23 am

Socialist Tera wrote:Don't be ridiculous, drugs destroy society. There are no benefits in legalizing drugs other than weed.

Oh look, we were founded on the same day.

Also, we agree. Cool.

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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:27 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Don't be ridiculous, drugs destroy society. There are no benefits in legalizing drugs other than weed.

Caffeine.
Aspirin.
Penicillin.

Drugs and medicine are different words in Australia. Try again. Illegal drugs then. :P

Krosana wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Don't be ridiculous, drugs destroy society. There are no benefits in legalizing drugs other than weed.

Oh look, we were founded on the same day.

Also, we agree. Cool.

We must be the borg.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:28 am

Socialist Tera wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Caffeine.
Aspirin.
Penicillin.

Drugs and medicine are different words in Australia. Try again. Illegal drugs then. :P

Krosana wrote:Oh look, we were founded on the same day.

Also, we agree. Cool.

We must be the borg.


Hey now, illegal drugs do better the culture. Breaking Bad wouldn't have been so outstanding if it was about making caffeine drinks rather than meth.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:31 am

Gauthier wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Drugs and medicine are different words in Australia. Try again. Illegal drugs then. :P


We must be the borg.


Hey now, illegal drugs do better the culture. Breaking Bad wouldn't have been so outstanding if it was about making caffeine drinks rather than meth.

I guess so, but it does destroy people's life, it should be kept just to TV.
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Postby Striton » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:37 am

In addition to the fact that drugs lower productivity in an industrialized society like ours, I would also like to point out that while we have basic freedoms, the freedom to take drugs, alcohol, and smoking is not really a basic civil freedom as others have said because you do not have the right to hurt innocents. Many innocents die to drunk driving and drunk murder, a lot of drug addicts rob innocents to raise money to buy more drugs, and innocents can get lung cancer and other diseases from second hand smoking (poor Michaela Odone). Honestly, it doesn't make sense for any of these harmful products, including drugs, to be legal in my opinion.

I feel that cigarettes and alcohol are still in our society because of harmful traditions that have gone on for at least a century, but we shouldn't be allowing even more harmful products to enter our society in my opinion.
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Postby Stormaen » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:40 am

I'm personally in favour of decriminalising all drugs. If, knowing they're detrimental to health, you still wish to use them then go ahead but be prepared to pay the consequences. We know the risks when we go for a drive in our cars or when we drink or smoke excessively, etc, etc.

If gubmint really wanted to ban substances that were either detrimental to human health or were otherwise bad for the general wellbeing of society, they'd have banned alcohol, tobacco, sugar and petrochemicals long, long ago.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:41 am

Stormaen wrote:I'm personally in favour of decriminalising all drugs. If, knowing they're detrimental to health, you still wish to use them then go ahead but be prepared to pay the consequences. We know the risks when we go for a drive in our cars or when we drink or smoke excessively, etc, etc.

If gubmint really wanted to ban substances that were either detrimental to human health or were otherwise bad for the general wellbeing of society, they'd have banned alcohol, tobacco, sugar and petrochemicals long, long ago.


Because we've seen that bath salts are only detrimental to the users' health.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:45 am

Socialist Tera wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Caffeine.
Aspirin.
Penicillin.

Drugs and medicine are different words in Australia. Try again. Illegal drugs then. :P

The difference is wholly arbitrary.
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Postby Benomia 3 » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:46 am

Socialist Tera wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Caffeine.
Aspirin.
Penicillin.

Drugs and medicine are different words in Australia. Try again. Illegal drugs then. :P


So we shouldn't legalize illegal drugs?
You do realize that once we legalize them, they won't be illegal, right?
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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:47 am

Benomia 3 wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Drugs and medicine are different words in Australia. Try again. Illegal drugs then. :P


So we shouldn't legalize illegal drugs?
You do realize that once we legalize them, they won't be illegal, right?

Then people will die for overdoses, people will be mugged and murdered, the consequences will be horrible. I know of people who were once nice people, who have become shit because of drugs, that's right Ben Richardson, I am looking at you.
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