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USS Monitor wrote:I love how this story isn't even true and it still gets everyone arguing. Just goes to show what an unhealthy obsession with race our society has.

Napkiraly wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:We don't know the skin colour of early humans, or really were they started. There are other theories other than the Africa hypothesis.

The earliest known human whose appearance we were able to reconstruct was actually Mediterranean skinned and had bright blue eyes.

You mean Turkana Boy?

Or do you mean the hunter-gatherer whose remains they found in a cave in northern Spain nearly 10 years ago? Because iirc, that guy was alive 7000-8000 years ago, leading to the hypothesis that lighter skin developed later than they had previously thought. Which would be perfectly compatible with the OOA theory.

And even the multiregional theory has Africa as essentially the birthplace of Homo sapiens, just that they migrated earlier than the OOA theory suggests. And rather than replacing Homo erectus and Homo neanderthalensis, they interbreed with them in multiple regions across the globe.

Tierra Prime wrote:

The Tungsten Horde wrote:I'm sure there was variation.

Here:

All of these girls belong to the same ethnic group. I don't care if you want to call them black or white.

That doesn't prove that their skin colour was the norm.

To be honest, a lot of these articles that I've looked at don't define what they consider light or dark skin to be. In one article, Inuits are given as an example of a dark-skinned people, but their skin isn't actually that dark. Their skin colour is more similar to the Mediterranean type than to the African type. If I'm honest, I'm betting on olive colour skin being the norm, and both dark and light skin being the evolutionary variations.

Pulau Singapura wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:It is likely correct, but there is always the chance another skeleton will turn up somewhere else. There's too much we still don't know to be able to say for sure that modern humans were originally all black-skinned. They could have very well been Mediterranean skinned, with darker skinned people emerging from those who remained in Africa, and lighter skinned people emerging from those who left.

Actually, your theory may very wel be true. Some records say first civilisations arose in the Middle East area

The Tungsten Horde wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:That doesn't prove that their skin colour was the norm.

It wasn't trying to. It was pointing out what variation looks like.

To be honest, a lot of these articles that I've looked at don't define what they consider light or dark skin to be. In one article, Inuits are given as an example of a dark-skinned people, but their skin isn't actually that dark. Their skin colour is more similar to the Mediterranean type than to the African type. If I'm honest, I'm betting on olive colour skin being the norm, and both dark and light skin being the evolutionary variations.

Yes, you've made it quite clear that you desperately want that to be true.

Napkiraly wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:We don't know the skin colour of early humans, or really were they started. There are other theories other than the Africa hypothesis.

The earliest known human whose appearance we were able to reconstruct was actually Mediterranean skinned and had bright blue eyes.

You mean Turkana Boy?

Or do you mean the hunter-gatherer whose remains they found in a cave in northern Spain nearly 10 years ago? Because iirc, that guy was alive 7000-8000 years ago, leading to the hypothesis that lighter skin developed later than they had previously thought. Which would be perfectly compatible with the OOA theory.

And even the multiregional theory has Africa as essentially the birthplace of Homo sapiens, just that they migrated earlier than the OOA theory suggests. And rather than replacing Homo erectus and Homo neanderthalensis, they interbreed with them in multiple regions across the globe.

Tierra Prime wrote:

The Tungsten Horde wrote:It wasn't trying to. It was pointing out what variation looks like.


Yes, you've made it quite clear that you desperately want that to be true.

There's no evidence against it, so there's no need to pretend as if I'm grasping at something ridiculous.

Tierra Prime wrote:

Napkiraly wrote:You mean Turkana Boy?

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Or do you mean the hunter-gatherer whose remains they found in a cave in northern Spain nearly 10 years ago? Because iirc, that guy was alive 7000-8000 years ago, leading to the hypothesis that lighter skin developed later than they had previously thought. Which would be perfectly compatible with the OOA theory.

And even the multiregional theory has Africa as essentially the birthplace of Homo sapiens, just that they migrated earlier than the OOA theory suggests. And rather than replacing Homo erectus and Homo neanderthalensis, they interbreed with them in multiple regions across the globe.

The Northern Spain guy is who I meant, never heard of the other fellow.

Zaldakki wrote:

Napkiraly wrote:You mean Turkana Boy?

Or do you mean the hunter-gatherer whose remains they found in a cave in northern Spain nearly 10 years ago? Because iirc, that guy was alive 7000-8000 years ago, leading to the hypothesis that lighter skin developed later than they had previously thought. Which would be perfectly compatible with the OOA theory.

And even the multiregional theory has Africa as essentially the birthplace of Homo sapiens, just that they migrated earlier than the OOA theory suggests. And rather than replacing Homo erectus and Homo neanderthalensis, they interbreed with them in multiple regions across the globe.

Turkana Boy was 1.5 to 1.6 million years ago.

Zaldakki wrote:

Napkiraly wrote:You mean Turkana Boy?

Or do you mean the hunter-gatherer whose remains they found in a cave in northern Spain nearly 10 years ago? Because iirc, that guy was alive 7000-8000 years ago, leading to the hypothesis that lighter skin developed later than they had previously thought. Which would be perfectly compatible with the OOA theory.

And even the multiregional theory has Africa as essentially the birthplace of Homo sapiens, just that they migrated earlier than the OOA theory suggests. And rather than replacing Homo erectus and Homo neanderthalensis, they interbreed with them in multiple regions across the globe.

Turkana Boy was 1.5 to 1.6 million years ago.

Anima Gentem wrote:Sorry for the title as what I wanted to put would be too long but apparently Russian scientists have figured out how to remove the black layer of skin from black people http://nordpresse.be/russian-laboratory-invented-way-remove-black-skin-layer/. Personally, I'm alright with that. I don't think just anyone should just go having this process done since it would be irreversible. But if someone truly doesn't identify with being black then, after being educated that there's no going back, I think they should have the right to make themselves into what they wish to be. What do you think NS?

Tierra Prime wrote:

Zaldakki wrote:Turkana Boy was 1.5 to 1.6 million years ago.

Just to add to this, it's not exactly abnormal for someone from Northern Spain to have relatively dark skin, considering the climate. If a body of a person with the same skin colour was found in Denmark or Lithuania, then you'd have more or less conclusive evidence that light skin is a recent mutation (Which could be disproved if a body with light skin from an earlier time was found in the same region, so you can never really be 100% sure).

The Tungsten Horde wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:There's no evidence against it, so there's no need to pretend as if I'm grasping at something ridiculous.

Your only "evidence" for it was pointing to a European who was darker skinned then scientists were expecting for the time period he lived in.

The Tungsten Horde wrote:

USS Monitor wrote:I love how this story isn't even true and it still gets everyone arguing. Just goes to show what an unhealthy obsession with race our society has.

Just once I'd like for someone to get worked up over something equally inconsequential.

Like lactose tolerance.

"There's no way that my milk-drinking ancestors evolved from those primitive dairy-shiters!"

Napkiraly wrote:

Zaldakki wrote:Turkana Boy was 1.5 to 1.6 million years ago.

Which would make him an earlier human than Northern Spain guy.

Napkiraly wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:Just to add to this, it's not exactly abnormal for someone from Northern Spain to have relatively dark skin, considering the climate. If a body of a person with the same skin colour was found in Denmark or Lithuania, then you'd have more or less conclusive evidence that light skin is a recent mutation (Which could be disproved if a body with light skin from an earlier time was found in the same region, so you can never really be 100% sure).

...

You do realise that the discovery of the Northern Spain guy led to the hypothesis that light skin is an even more recent mutation than previously thought?

The Huskar Social Union wrote:So judging from the responses im going to go out on a limb and say the source is bullshit so eh.

Some of these comments on this thread though are very fucking sad, getting so worked up over skin colour come on.

The Huskar Social Union wrote:So judging from the responses im going to go out on a limb and say the source is bullshit so eh.

Some of these comments on this thread though are very fucking sad, getting so worked up over skin colour come on.

Tierra Prime wrote:

The Huskar Social Union wrote:So judging from the responses im going to go out on a limb and say the source is bullshit so eh.

Some of these comments on this thread though are very fucking sad, getting so worked up over skin colour come on.

What would you expect from a thread with such a title? People will argue about anything.

Ifreann wrote:

The Huskar Social Union wrote:So judging from the responses im going to go out on a limb and say the source is bullshit so eh.

Some of these comments on this thread though are very fucking sad, getting so worked up over skin colour come on.

But Huskar, the brown people are wiping us out. Wiping us out by being so sexy!

Ifreann wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:What would you expect from a thread with such a title? People will argue about anything.

No they won't.