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Tierra Prime wrote:

Internationalist Bastard wrote:I think on the basis that dark skin was evolved to deal eith sunlight better, it'd make sense for early humans to be black

Re-read my post, the "out of Africa" theory isn't the only hypothesis.

It's just the only one that can be taken seriously at this point.

I guess this discovery is going to give a whole new meaning to the term "whigger"...

You should have uploaded this during summer.

Tierra Prime wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
You realise we all started as blacks, right ?
Though I am certain Magneto would understand your "mutant pride"

We don't know the skin colour of early humans, or really were they started. There are other theories other than the Africa hypothesis.

We actually do. White skin was shown to be a mutation several years ago. Which of course nicely supports the "out of Africa" hypothesis; but is independent of it.

The Tungsten Horde wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:Re-read my post, the "out of Africa" theory isn't the only hypothesis.

It's just the only one that can be taken seriously at this point.

It is likely correct, but there is always the chance another skeleton will turn up somewhere else. There's too much we still don't know to be able to say for sure that modern humans were originally all black-skinned. They could have very well been Mediterranean skinned, with darker skinned people emerging from those who remained in Africa, and lighter skinned people emerging from those who left.

Wisconsin9 wrote:That website is sketchy as fuck. I direct you here, to their article on a thing

I love the comments where people took that story at face value.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:We don't know the skin colour of early humans, or really were they started. There are other theories other than the Africa hypothesis.

We actually do. White skin was shown to be a mutation several years ago. Which of course nicely supports the "out of Africa" hypothesis; but is independent of it.

That depends on what you consider to be "white." The earliest known human whose appearance is known was olive-skinned. Does that mean he was white, then.

WHAAAAAAT??

The next thing you know it, the South would want to get their hands on that.

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:I guess this discovery is going to give a whole new meaning to the term "whigger"...

So much win in this post.

Tierra Prime wrote:

The Tungsten Horde wrote:It's just the only one that can be taken seriously at this point.

It is likely correct, but there is always the chance another skeleton will turn up somewhere else. There's too much we still don't know to be able to say for sure that modern humans were originally all black-skinned. They could have very well been Mediterranean skinned, with darker skinned people emerging from those who remained in Africa, and lighter skinned people emerging from those who left.

Actually, your theory may very wel be true. Some records say first civilisations arose in the Middle East area

Tierra Prime wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
We actually do. White skin was shown to be a mutation several years ago. Which of course nicely supports the "out of Africa" hypothesis; but is independent of it.

That depends on what you consider to be "white." The earliest known human whose appearance is known was olive skinned. Does that mean he was white, then?

We are talking about genetics; not about looking at the earliest remains we have

Tierra Prime wrote:

The Tungsten Horde wrote:It's just the only one that can be taken seriously at this point.

It is likely correct, but there is always the chance another skeleton will turn up somewhere else. There's too much we still don't know to be able to say for sure that modern humans were originally all black-skinned. They could have very well been Mediterranean skinned, with darker skinned people emerging from those who remained in Africa, and lighter skinned people emerging from those who left.

Well, we have their DNA, and it has been shown that light skin is a mutation, so...

Yeah, you're pretty much wrong.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:That depends on what you consider to be "white." The earliest known human whose appearance is known was olive skinned. Does that mean he was white, then?

We are talking about genetics; not about looking at the earliest remains we have

And does genetics prove that early humans were dark-skinned or olive-skinned?

Geographically, the out of Africa theory includes the Middle East in "Africa" - so it is very possible that the first humans were olive-skinned, as Middle Eastern types tend to be.

Tierra Prime wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
We are talking about genetics; not about looking at the earliest remains we have

And does genetics prove that early humans were dark-skinned or olive-skinned?

Geographically, the out of Africa theory includes the Middle East in "Africa" - so it is very possible that the first humans were olive-skinned, as Middle Eastern types tend to be.

No it doesn't.

In fact, the cross from Africa to Yemen is one of the major events in the Out of Africa theory.

The Tungsten Horde wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:It is likely correct, but there is always the chance another skeleton will turn up somewhere else. There's too much we still don't know to be able to say for sure that modern humans were originally all black-skinned. They could have very well been Mediterranean skinned, with darker skinned people emerging from those who remained in Africa, and lighter skinned people emerging from those who left.

Well, we have their DNA, and it has been shown that light skin is a mutation, so...

Yeah, you're pretty much wrong.

Ah yes, but does it prove that dark-skinned people were the norm, or that olive-skinned people didn't exist at the time?

If olive or Mediterranean-skinned people existed at the time, then so did white-skinned people, technically, because olive-skinned people are considered white.

The Tungsten Horde wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:And does genetics prove that early humans were dark-skinned or olive-skinned?

Geographically, the out of Africa theory includes the Middle East in "Africa" - so it is very possible that the first humans were olive-skinned, as Middle Eastern types tend to be.

No it doesn't.

In fact, the cross from Africa to Yemen is one of the major events in the Out of Africa theory.

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html

From an article supporting the Out of Africa theory as the most likely model.

"Homo sapiens arose in one place, probably Africa (geographically this includes the Middle East)."

Tierra Prime wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
We are talking about genetics; not about looking at the earliest remains we have

And does genetics prove that early humans were dark-skinned or olive-skinned?

Dark. Lighter forms, including olive, are the mutations.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:And does genetics prove that early humans were dark-skinned or olive-skinned?

Dark. Lighter forms, including olive, are the mutations.

Source your claim.

The Alma Mater wrote:

Yuganesia wrote:I care, I care about the beauty of the white race. Call me a Nazi or racist whatever, but I will not turn my back on my European heritage that I am proud of.

You realise we all started as blacks, right ?
Though I am certain Magneto would understand your "mutant pride"

If I had the ability to, on my own, halt the advance of any military who dared challange me, I'd be rather proud.
Different skin tone? Meh.

Tierra Prime wrote:

The Tungsten Horde wrote:Well, we have their DNA, and it has been shown that light skin is a mutation, so...

Yeah, you're pretty much wrong.

Ah yes, but does it prove that dark-skinned people were the norm, or that olive-skinned people didn't exist at the time?

If olive or Mediterranean-skinned people existed at the time, then so did white-skinned people, technically, because olive-skinned people are considered white.

I'm sure there was variation.

Here:


All of these girls belong to the same ethnic group. I don't care if you want to call them black or white.

I love how this story isn't even true and it still gets everyone arguing. Just goes to show what an unhealthy obsession with race our society has.

Tierra Prime wrote:

The Tungsten Horde wrote:No it doesn't.

In fact, the cross from Africa to Yemen is one of the major events in the Out of Africa theory.

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html

From an article supporting the Out of Africa theory as the most likely model.

"Homo sapiens arose in one place, probably Africa (geographically this includes the Middle East)."

Well far be it from me to question "actionbioscience"

The Tungsten Horde wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:Ah yes, but does it prove that dark-skinned people were the norm, or that olive-skinned people didn't exist at the time?

If olive or Mediterranean-skinned people existed at the time, then so did white-skinned people, technically, because olive-skinned people are considered white.

I'm sure there was variation.

Here:

All of these girls belong to the same ethnic group. I don't care if you want to call them black or white.

That doesn't prove that their skin colour was the norm. To be honest, a lot of these articles that I've looked at don't define what they consider light or dark skin to be. In one article, Inuits are given as an example of a dark-skinned people, but their skin isn't actually that dark. Their skin colour is more similar to the Mediterranean type than to the African type. If I'm honest, I'm betting on olive colour skin being the norm, and both dark and light skin being the evolutionary variations.

The Tungsten Horde wrote:

Tierra Prime wrote:
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html

From an article supporting the Out of Africa theory as the most likely model.

"Homo sapiens arose in one place, probably Africa (geographically this includes the Middle East)."

Well far be it from me to question "actionbioscience"

Do you know anything about it? I don't, but it seems fine.

Tierra Prime wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
You realise we all started as blacks, right ?
Though I am certain Magneto would understand your "mutant pride"

We don't know the skin colour of early humans, or really were they started. There are other theories other than the Africa hypothesis.

The earliest known human whose appearance we were able to reconstruct was actually Mediterranean skinned and had bright blue eyes.

You mean Turkana Boy?

Or do you mean the hunter-gatherer whose remains they found in a cave in northern Spain nearly 10 years ago? Because iirc, that guy was alive 7000-8000 years ago, leading to the hypothesis that lighter skin developed later than they had previously thought. Which would be perfectly compatible with the OOA theory.

And even the multiregional theory has Africa as essentially the birthplace of Homo sapiens, just that they migrated earlier than the OOA theory suggests. And rather than replacing Homo erectus and Homo neanderthalensis, they interbreed with them in multiple regions across the globe.

In other news, the CDC has engineered a vaccine against death.