Left-Wing Discussion Thread

[Bojikami]

Not really. Simply arm the people and create militias to root out and destroy counterrevolutionaries.

His regime was authoritarian as the situation the Soviet Union was placed in required it. We cannot all hold hands and sing on the way to world revolution.

Killing counter-revolutionaries because they are against the revolution is silencing an opinion, that is pretty Authoritarian if I do say so my self.
As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Revolution is inherently authoritarian.

[Trotskylvania]

Surprisingly the tyrant know as Joseph Stalin wasn't overthrow.

Because he wasn't a tyrant.

Over one million party members were arrested, tortured, forced to sign confessions under extreme duress, and executed by the state security apparatus Stalin personally created and served as patron to. That is the sine qua none of tyranny

[Pandeeria]

You have a child's view of war and how it works. Fighting all the armies of Europe, with them being supported by the US, is not going to be simple, it would be even more bloody than the Korean War. And there's no way that the USSR was going to be able to invade the US, Great Britain, or even Canada.

I fully understand what the casualty counts would have been, both civilian and military. I still say the Soviet Union should have pushed for the complete eradication of capitalism regardless.

The Soviet Red Army was far larger as was the airforce. The reason the west in the early years of the cold war was so hesitant to do anything too serious against the Soviets. The US and it's allies would have been chased from mainland Europe and eventually Asia, this would mean only a matter of time before revolution spreads to South and North America, or the Soviets and their allies take down the west forcibly.

If the Soviets did that, we could never achieve Socialism.

[Bojikami]

Because he wasn't a tyrant.

He was a tyrant, a tyrant that killed millions so as to sate his own paranoia.

He was a leader that successfully industrialised his country and made it among the most powerful in the world, and he successfully spread socialism to eastern europe.

[Seylland]

Killing counter-revolutionaries because they are against the revolution is silencing an opinion, that is pretty Authoritarian if I do say so my self.
As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Revolution is inherently authoritarian.

The intention of revolution is to bring change, not replace one goddamn violent regime with another equally violent regime.

[Bakery Hill]

And they didn't. The last thing anybody wanted then was more fucking war.

Stalin was pushing for it before he died.

I doubt it, he wasn't that fucking dumb haha

[Pandeeria]

Killing counter-revolutionaries because they are against the revolution is silencing an opinion, that is pretty Authoritarian if I do say so my self.
As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Revolution is inherently authoritarian.

Revolution is to oppose the status quo and to crush those who oppress you.

Revolution is dissent. Revolution is freedom.

[Bojikami]

Because he wasn't a tyrant.

Over one million party members were arrested, tortured, forced to sign confessions under extreme duress, and executed by the state security apparatus Stalin personally created and served as patron to. That is the sine qua none of tyranny

Not at all. This is called rooting out the Trotskyite scourge.

[Pandeeria]

He was a tyrant, a tyrant that killed millions so as to sate his own paranoia.

He was a leader that successfully industrialised his country and made it among the most powerful in the world, and he successfully spread socialism to eastern europe.

The USSR wasn't socialist though.

[United Marxist Nations]

This borders on religious.

Stalin apologists aren't one for Scientific Socialism.

Actually, Stalin apologists are the only socialists I know who actually apply it. That said, I think Boji is wrong on several areas, but I don't want to read back through all of the pages I missed.

[Bojikami]

Revolution is inherently authoritarian.

Revolution is to oppose the status quo and to crush those who oppress you.

Revolution is dissent. Revolution is freedom.

Revolution is but one group imposing their ideas or beliefs on all.

[Pandeeria]

Over one million party members were arrested, tortured, forced to sign confessions under extreme duress, and executed by the state security apparatus Stalin personally created and served as patron to. That is the sine qua none of tyranny

Not at all. This is called rooting out the Trotskyite scourge.

Trotsky was politically dead by the 1930's.

[Seylland]

He was a tyrant, a tyrant that killed millions so as to sate his own paranoia.

He was a leader that successfully industrialised his country and made it among the most powerful in the world, and he successfully spread socialism to eastern europe.

If you call state bureaucrats owning the means of production socialism, then sure, go on ahead.

[Bakery Hill]

No, he didn't. If he did, he would've fucking declared war on South Korea and the United States outright, would occupy all of mainland Europe, which would bring some of the world's most advanced economies under the yolk of the Communist Party.

Stalin was rather a pussy that was afraid to lose just after winning World War Two, or he was ok just with what he had and was ultimately more content living out the rest of his days in luxury rather than spreading the revolution.

Completely and utterly incorrect. Stalin waited several years so that he could develop his own nuclear arms and to allow the Soviet Union and it's allies to slightly recover. I maintain that had he not died, World War 3 would have begun in the mid to late 50s.

Aren't we lucky then?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Killing counter-revolutionaries because they are against the revolution is silencing an opinion, that is pretty Authoritarian if I do say so my self.
As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Revolution is inherently authoritarian.

No it isn't, the silencing dissenting opinions however, is Authoritarian. Stalin participated in the purges of these people, people he classified as counter-revolutionaries.

[United Marxist Nations]

Because he wasn't a tyrant.

Over one million party members were arrested, tortured, forced to sign confessions under extreme duress, and executed by the state security apparatus Stalin personally created and served as patron to. That is the sine qua none of tyranny

IIRC, only 600,000 people were executed under Stalin. Of course, "only" is a terrible word to use for such a high figure. But, still, let's not exaggerate.

[Pandeeria]

Stalin apologists aren't one for Scientific Socialism.

Actually, Stalin apologists are the only socialists I know who actually apply it. That said, I think Boji is wrong on several areas, but I don't want to read back through all of the pages I missed.

Considering he is ignoring material facts and not suing any empirical standards, I doubt Boji is for a Scientific Socialist approach. He's probably just a nasty Utopian Socialist with a Stalinist tint.

[Ganonsyoni]

Revolution is to oppose the status quo and to crush those who oppress you.

Revolution is dissent. Revolution is freedom.

Revolution is but one group imposing their ideas or beliefs on all.

Revolution is destruction of oppressive structures.

[Bojikami]

He was a leader that successfully industrialised his country and made it among the most powerful in the world, and he successfully spread socialism to eastern europe.

If you call state bureaucrats owning the means of production socialism, then sure, go on ahead.

Giving the state the means of production temporarily was necessary for the conditions of which the USSR faced.

[Bakery Hill]

It wouldn't be at first, but over time the wounds would heal. Nations rebuilt, populations restored, etc. all under the fraternity of Socialism.

This is your brain on Posadism.

This is an amazing day in my life, I've finally seen one.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Revolution is to oppose the status quo and to crush those who oppress you.

Revolution is dissent. Revolution is freedom.

Revolution is but one group imposing their ideas or beliefs on all.

So...Totalitarian.

[Dagashi Shojo]

Best socialist by far:

[United Marxist Nations]

Revolution is inherently authoritarian.

No it isn't, the silencing dissenting opinions however, is Authoritarian. Stalin participated in the purges of these people, people he classified as counter-revolutionaries.

Revolution is authoritarian. Read Engels.

[Pandeeria]

If you call state bureaucrats owning the means of production socialism, then sure, go on ahead.

Giving the state the means of production temporarily was necessary for the conditions of which the USSR faced.

It wasn't going to be temporary. It wasn't at all.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Over one million party members were arrested, tortured, forced to sign confessions under extreme duress, and executed by the state security apparatus Stalin personally created and served as patron to. That is the sine qua none of tyranny

IIRC, only 600,000 people were executed under Stalin. Of course, "only" is a terrible word to use for such a high figure. But, still, let's not exaggerate.

The rest of the deaths, to my knowledge, were indirect results however.