Left-Wing Discussion Thread

[Jochistan]

The Radical Centrists are the purple Chakra sellers of Politics? Like how?

i mean that it's a completely meaningless term. they probably deliberately use it because it's inherently contradictory, not realizing that basing something on something that is inherently contradictory that is in turn based on something that is in constant flux leaves you with absolutely shit all integrity.

It should probably be called something else. But you can't deny the massive refutations it fundamentally has of Leftist and rightist political theory.

Basically defining itself as something outside of their reach.

[Lyras]

Greetings, all.

I just thought I'd drop by, in the spirit of interesting conversation, and put myself here if any of you folks have questions for the Right that don't involve mudslinging, but are based in genuine curiosity.
Fire me a telegram if you want a Right (fairly hard right) perspective on something, and I'm happy to put in my two cents.

Please try, again, to keep the nastiness down. I may disagree with much of what you assert, but will defend (and have defended) your right to assert it. Try to do me the same courtesy. Which isn't to say you aren't, put just putting that out there.

Regards,

Lyras

[Northern Davincia]

Socialist progressive
And...
HOLD ON TO YOUR BUTTCHEEKS FOR THE STORM OF RIGHT WINGERS

Thanks for inviting me.

[Val Halla]

Socialist progressive
And...
HOLD ON TO YOUR BUTTCHEEKS FOR THE STORM OF RIGHT WINGERS

Thanks for inviting me.

Can I hold your butt cheeks? X3

[Jochistan]

>right wing thread is made
>Multiple Leftists vandalize it
>Leftist thread is made
> Right wingers mostly leave it be.

[Arglorand]

I think social liberalism gives way to much freedom and possibilities for moral degeneracy. And is generally too Idealistic to be trusted with power in a government because of it's lenience.

Hell, because of their unwillingness to deal with cultural assimilation, female circumscision and discrimination towards homosexuals and other people liberalism in theory was supposed to be defined to protect is rampant in some of the migrant communities.

By Moral degeneracy I don't mean "muh traditional marriage" or "muh heritage" bullshit that flies around because of Same sex marriage and "multiculturalism" respectively.

I mean encouraging just general hedonism and viewing it as a completely moral thing to do with your life. Not to mention it's hypocritical reliance on materialism to spread those values. But morality is completely subjective, right?

And the fact that they hurt religious and ethnic minorities more than they help because of their refusal to deal with Wahhabiism in the Muslim community.

Maybe this is just bitter old me rambling on. But still. Liberalism has generally failed in it's policies because of it's oversensitivity and weakness.

I have never seen any convincing proof that social liberalism has failed in any way. I have however lived 18 years in a deeply reactionary Eastern European country and let me tell you this: I feel 90 times better now that I'm out of there in the hedonistic, multicultural West where you are SUPPOSEDLY always at risk of being killed by gay Jewish Muslims.

[Jochistan]

I think social liberalism gives way to much freedom and possibilities for moral degeneracy. And is generally too Idealistic to be trusted with power in a government because of it's lenience.

Hell, because of their unwillingness to deal with cultural assimilation, female circumscision and discrimination towards homosexuals and other people liberalism in theory was supposed to be defined to protect is rampant in some of the migrant communities.

By Moral degeneracy I don't mean "muh traditional marriage" or "muh heritage" bullshit that flies around because of Same sex marriage and "multiculturalism" respectively.

I mean encouraging just general hedonism and viewing it as a completely moral thing to do with your life. Not to mention it's hypocritical reliance on materialism to spread those values. But morality is completely subjective, right?

And the fact that they hurt religious and ethnic minorities more than they help because of their refusal to deal with Wahhabiism in the Muslim community.

Maybe this is just bitter old me rambling on. But still. Liberalism has generally failed in it's policies because of it's oversensitivity and weakness.

I have never seen any convincing proof that social liberalism has failed in any way. I have however lived 18 years in a deeply reactionary Eastern European country and let me tell you this: I feel 90 times freer now that I'm out of there in the hedonistic, multicultural West where you are SUPPOSEDLY always at risk of being killed by gay Jewish Muslims.

Yeah? Muslims aren't exactly so safe.

Wahhabis are fucking everywhere because Liberals refused to smash them.

[Arglorand]

I have never seen any convincing proof that social liberalism has failed in any way. I have however lived 18 years in a deeply reactionary Eastern European country and let me tell you this: I feel 90 times freer now that I'm out of there in the hedonistic, multicultural West where you are SUPPOSEDLY always at risk of being killed by gay Jewish Muslims.

Yeah? Muslims aren't exactly so safe.

When has Abbas from the chip shop down the road ever threatened your life in any way?

Because I certainly as fuck know that 99.999% оf Muslims will never pose any threat to me. Ever.

[New Giliberafta]

Greetings, all.

I just thought I'd drop by, in the spirit of interesting conversation, and put myself here if any of you folks have questions for the Right that don't involve mudslinging, but are based in genuine curiosity.
Fire me a telegram if you want a Right (fairly hard right) perspective on something, and I'm happy to put in my two cents.

Please try, again, to keep the nastiness down. I may disagree with much of what you assert, but will defend (and have defended) your right to assert it. Try to do me the same courtesy. Which isn't to say you aren't, put just putting that out there.

Regards,

Lyras

I like when rightist put there two cents into a conversation

I may end up wanting to kill them, but at least it open up my mind a bit

[Arglorand]

Wahhabis are fucking everywhere because Liberals refused to smash them.

When was the last time you saw a wahhabi?

[Jochistan]

Yeah? Muslims aren't exactly so safe.

When has Abbas from the chip shop down the road ever threatened your life in any way?

Abbas Hasn't.

Now Ahmed. He's a fucking asshole.

[Arglorand]

When has Abbas from the chip shop down the road ever threatened your life in any way?

Abbas Hasn't.

Now Ahmed. He's a fucking asshole.

So is John, and Andrzej, and fucking Ciaran, all of them are fucking assholes.

It has nothing to do with their religion or ethnicity.

[Jochistan]

Wahhabis are fucking everywhere because Liberals refused to smash them.

When was the last time you saw a wahhabi?

Last Thursday, I think.

[Arglorand]

When was the last time you saw a wahhabi?

Last Thursday, I think.

How did the precise interaction go? I'm curious.

[Northern Davincia]

Thanks for inviting me.

Can I hold your butt cheeks? X3

[Geilinor]

>right wing thread is made
>Multiple Leftists vandalize it
>Leftist thread is made
> Right wingers mostly leave it be.

The right-wing thread was disturbed because of the Stormfront-level racism of some of its participants.

[Kraylandia]

>right wing thread is made
>Multiple Leftists vandalize it
>Leftist thread is made
> Right wingers mostly leave it be.

Asking questions and debating is now vandalism. Well fuck me, NSG is a bunch of criminals then. Damn Vandals!

[Yuganesia]

Reactionaries are strictly rightwing mate.

I'm 99% sure they were making a joke about how this is a reaction to the Right-Wing discussion thread.

Ah, gotcha

[Arglorand]

>right wing thread is made
>Multiple Leftists vandalize it
>Leftist thread is made
> Right wingers mostly leave it be.

The right-wing thread was disturbed because of the Stormfront-level racism of some of its participants.

You just wait until the radical trotskyists come here to tell us all that we aren't actually leftists

[Val Halla]

I live in a 98.5% white area. It's dry and boring and I don't like how bland it is.

[Calimera II]

Pure Peronism. Peronism from Perón and Evita.

That's still vague.

From what I've heard, Peron sounds clearly right-wing. Authoritarian, nationalist, corporatist, supported class-collaboration. Reminded me of fascism - though I don't think he was a totalitarian, so he doesn't go far enough to be a fascist.

The definition of Peronism is vague for sure. A little while ago I wrote the following:

In the 30s Argentina was basically controlled by a greedy, corrupt oligarchy which rigged elections. This oligarchy continuously tried to destabilise Perón's government, this also fostered political division. Perón brought change to the corrupted system and paved the way to a more inclusive government, taking care of the - in the previous decade - ignored working class. During his government trade unions were formed, social security was made universal, education made free, housing schemes created, free medical care was garantued for many people and a lot more. Furthermore, with the influence of Evita Perón women were given the right to vote. I like the inclusive part of the Perón legacy. However, I really dislike the sometimes too authoritarian aspect of his presidency: For instance, opponents of his government were sometimes displaced.

Moreover, I don't think Justicialism/Peronism is fascist whatsoever (although his sometimes authoritarian behaviour may seem fascist), it's a kind of 'third way' ideology that tries to steer between capitalism and socialism. Perón himself called it 'humanism in action.'
Eva Perón, his wife, wrote:

“I remember well that I was sad for many days when I discovered there were wealthy people as well as poor people in the world; and the strange fact is that I didn’t resent so much the existence of poor people as I did to discover there were also rich. The theme of rich against the poor, has been, since then, my sole concern in my deepest solitude.”

So, is peronism authoritarian? Only when needed. Is peronism nationalistic? Hell yea. Corporatist? Somewhat, it was for sure better for the working class. Peronism must be looked at through a ''history-conscious spectrum.'' Peron and Evita disliked Capitalism, but they also disliked Communism, they liked the third way: Peronism. Peronism may seem very opportunistic at times, but all its action steer in one direction: the creation of one class, the working class. Evita wrote this (one class, working class) down in one of her books.

[The Black Forrest]

The right-wing thread was disturbed because of the Stormfront-level racism of some of its participants.

You just wait until the radical trotskyists come here to tell us all that we aren't actually leftists

Nahh. Trots hasn't much time these days.....

[Arglorand]

You just wait until the radical trotskyists come here to tell us all that we aren't actually leftists

Nahh. Trots hasn't much time these days.....

Wasn't Trotskylvania not actually a trotskyist

because in any event I didn't mean him

[Jochistan]

Abbas Hasn't.

Now Ahmed. He's a fucking asshole.

So is John, and Andrzej, and fucking Ciaran, all of them are fucking assholes.

It has nothing to do with their religion or ethnicity.

You have no Idea. Salafi-Wahhabiism is a huge thing the Islamic community.

Granted I don't see them as much now that I don't go to the big ass "Traditional Sunni" Masjid anymore. But they don't integrate and do away with their terrible ideology. They value holding their repulsive sira and traditions of the "Sunnah" above the laws of their home country and they need to be dealt with before this turns into something much more serious.

I'm not saying "Oh, boo hoo, Merslims destroyin muh country". And the "Islamization of the west" conspiracy is total shit. But you gotta deal with the problem of Salafism before we're all really, really, sorry.

[Geilinor]

But you gotta deal with the problem of Salafism before we're all really, really, sorry.

It's a problem, no doubt, but it's hard to talk to them unless you're Muslim or they're not going to reveal their views to you.