Left-Wing Discussion Thread

[Calimera II]

I think I have become centre-leftish... hi...

So have I...I don't even know what I consider myself, though.

I remember you being a very pro-market, somewhat conservative, guy.

[Arglorand]

centrists don't get a thread because the word centrist is completely meaningless

you're an american centrist? welcome to the european right-wing. you're a radical centrist? the fucking purple chakra sellers of politics. (or is that austrian economics?)

Unlike centrists, Austrian school economists know very damned well their economics are not meant to improve people's lives, so draw your own conclusions.

[Jochistan]

centrists don't get a thread because the word centrist is completely meaningless

you're an american centrist? welcome to the european right-wing. you're a radical centrist? the fucking purple chakra sellers of politics. (or is that austrian economics?)

The Radical Centrists are the purple Chakra sellers of Politics? Like how?

[Neo Rome Republic]

Ill participate, assuming there's something interesting to talk about. Haven't been on NSG in any meaningful way in a while.
Maybe this is how Ill get back into it. Also, good to see you Dejanic, long time no see.
I couldn't find an existing leftist ideology that fully fit me, so I kinda created my own variant of leftism. And it's found in my signature, you can't miss it(Hint: I also use my ideology in my RP's). For the poll I put down "other".

[Calimera II]

centrists don't get a thread because the word centrist is completely meaningless

you're an american centrist? welcome to the european right-wing. you're a radical centrist? the fucking purple chakra sellers of politics. (or is that austrian economics?)

'Left' and 'right' is also totally meaningless. For instance, place Peronism.

EDIT: Well, 'totally' is maybe a bit exaggerated.

[Talvezout]

centrists don't get a thread because the word centrist is completely meaningless

you're an american centrist? welcome to the european right-wing. you're a radical centrist? the fucking purple chakra sellers of politics. (or is that austrian economics?)

I'll admit that I'm pretty much a right-winger in Europe, but I stick with centrist mainly because I personally think it makes more sense

[Ashworth-Attwater]

So have I...I don't even know what I consider myself, though.

I remember you being a very pro-market, somewhat conservative, guy.

That was me a few months ago. I like to think I haven't changed much, but the truth is: I have. If you ask me: I'm still pro-market, at least in the context of a capitalist economy but not nearly as much as I was. That is to say, I'm not that big on the Chicago school anymore.

[Yuganesia]

*looks at thread*

Clearly leftism is a reactionary ideology.

Reactionaries are strictly rightwing mate.

[Hillary Clinton 2016-2024]

Socialist progressive
And...
HOLD ON TO YOUR BUTTCHEEKS FOR THE STORM OF RIGHT WINGERS

[Conscentia]

Why did you not enable people to change their poll answer?
What if someone changes their minds?
Or made a mistake?

[Jumalariik]

Welp, I dont consider myself to be right or left, so hello!
What do you folks think about the issue of national liberation?

[Dejanic]

*looks at thread*

Clearly leftism is a reactionary ideology.

Reactionaries are strictly rightwing mate.

Not really, look at Stalinists

[Alyakia]

centrists don't get a thread because the word centrist is completely meaningless

you're an american centrist? welcome to the european right-wing. you're a radical centrist? the fucking purple chakra sellers of politics. (or is that austrian economics?)

The Radical Centrists are the purple Chakra sellers of Politics? Like how?

i mean that it's a completely meaningless term. they probably deliberately use it because it's inherently contradictory, not realizing that basing something on something that is inherently contradictory that is in turn based on something that is in constant flux leaves you with absolutely shit all integrity.

[Calimera II]

I remember you being a very pro-market, somewhat conservative, guy.

That was me a few months ago. I like to think I haven't changed much, but the truth is: I have. If you ask me: I'm still pro-market, at least in the context of a capitalist economy but not nearly as much as I was. That is to say, I'm not that big on the Chicago school anymore.

This might sounds like a cliché.. but.. just accept the way you are. The biggest problem most people have on NSG is that they lock themselves up and only focus on protecting the ideology they adhere to, that does not work. Read everything and than you can form your opinion, it's a process, you will eventually end up somewhere, or, float around.

[New Giliberafta]

I love him because, regardless of his flaws, he seems to be the only sane, passionate leftist (Hillary and Malley are debatable) that I can trust and think will do a decent job.

I would prefer Elizabeth Warren BUT NOOOO!! SHE DECIDED NOT TO RUN!

Oh, I don't question that at all. Like I said, he is the best option available.

Im just a little worried of how the hell he will get his proposals passed. Implying that the Republicans are still in power.

[Arlenton]

*looks at thread*

Clearly leftism is a reactionary ideology.

Reactionaries are strictly rightwing mate.

I'm 99% sure they were making a joke about how this is a reaction to the Right-Wing discussion thread.

[Arglorand]

Welp, I dont consider myself to be right or left, so hello!
What do you folks think about the issue of national liberation?

Depends on how you define national liberation.

I believe in the right of self-determination for all nations, and even in fact advocate for the independence of one I am currently resident in.

Don't know if that answer's sufficient.

[Conscentia]

centrists don't get a thread because the word centrist is completely meaningless
you're an american centrist? welcome to the european right-wing. you're a radical centrist? the fucking purple chakra sellers of politics. (or is that austrian economics?)

'Left' and 'right' is also totally meaningless. For instance, place Peronism.
EDIT: Well, 'totally' is maybe a bit exaggerated.

Depends on how you define "Peronism".

[Arglorand]

'Left' and 'right' is also totally meaningless. For instance, place Peronism.
EDIT: Well, 'totally' is maybe a bit exaggerated.

Depends on how you define "Peronism".

Yeah, that's a good point. Peronism as Kirchner defines it is quite different from Peronism as Peron defined it, for example.

[Calimera II]

'Left' and 'right' is also totally meaningless. For instance, place Peronism.
EDIT: Well, 'totally' is maybe a bit exaggerated.

Depends on how you define "Peronism".

Pure Peronism. Peronism from Perón and Evita.

[Napkiraly]

I'm centre-left. I guess I fall between social democrat and Rhine capitalist, with a lean towards the latter.

[Napkiraly]

*looks at thread*

Clearly leftism is a reactionary ideology.

Reactionaries are strictly rightwing mate.

No, they aren't actually. For example, a communist in Russia wishing to bring back the USSR is by all accounts a reactionary.

[Arglorand]

Reactionaries are strictly rightwing mate.

No, they aren't actually. For example, a communist in Russia wishing to bring back the USSR is by all accounts a reactionary.

TBF, "communists" in Russia are actually clericalist fascists.

[Conscentia]

Depends on how you define "Peronism".

Pure Peronism. Peronism from Perón and Evita.

That's still vague.

From what I've heard, Peron sounds clearly right-wing. Authoritarian, nationalist, corporatist, supported class-collaboration. Reminded me of fascism - though I don't think he was a totalitarian, so he doesn't go far enough to be a fascist.

[Jochistan]

I think social liberalism gives way to much freedom and possibilities for moral degeneracy. And is generally too Idealistic to be trusted with power in a government because of it's lenience.

Hell, because of their unwillingness to deal with cultural assimilation, female circumscision and discrimination towards homosexuals and other people liberalism in theory was supposed to be defined to protect is rampant in some of the migrant communities.

By Moral degeneracy I don't mean "muh traditional marriage" or "muh heritage" bullshit that flies around because of Same sex marriage and "multiculturalism" respectively.

I mean encouraging just general hedonism and viewing it as a completely moral thing to do with your life. Not to mention it's hypocritical reliance on materialism to spread those values. But morality is completely subjective, right?

And the fact that they hurt religious and ethnic minorities more than they help because of their refusal to deal with Wahhabiism in the Muslim community.

Maybe this is just bitter old me rambling on. But still. Liberalism has generally failed in it's policies because of it's oversensitivity and weakness.