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What kind of Leftist are you?

Centrist/Moderate/Third wayer (Centrists usually reside within Leftist parties, so I thought I'd include them).
279
13%
Social Liberal
259
12%
Social Democrat
338
16%
Green Progressive
188
9%
Democratic Socialist
433
20%
Marxist Communist
246
12%
Anarchist Communist
202
10%
Other (please state)
176
8%
 
Total votes : 2121

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Postby Serenvia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:59 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:Were the Original Young Turks Leftists?

I say Yes. Yes they were. Congratulations.

No they weren't they had a boner for nationalism and modernism.
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Postby Serenvia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:00 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Serenvia wrote:I got heart palpations reading that.


Want a full on heat attack? Read this classic from r/shittankiessay http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/ ... revisited/

idek what you're trying to do but im p sure you're tryna kill me
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:01 pm

Serenvia wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Were the Original Young Turks Leftists?

I say Yes. Yes they were. Congratulations.

No they weren't they had a boner for nationalism and modernism.

Left Wing Nationalists exist. And most Leftism is Modernist.

I would be hesitent in calling Modernism itself leftist, as that obviously isn't always the case. But I think the Young Turks would count.
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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:03 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Serenvia wrote:I got heart palpations reading that.


Want a full on heat attack? Read this classic from r/shittankiessay http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/ ... revisited/


"Surprisingly, Cambodians have no bad memories of that period. This is quite an amazing discovery for an infrequent visitor. I did not come to reconstruct “the truth”, whatever it is, but rather to find out what is the collective memory of the Cambodians, how do they perceive the events of the late 20th century, what narrative has been filtered down by time gone by."

this coming from an article that features zero actual Cambodians speaking. Suure author dude, suuure.
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Postby Mattopilos » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:04 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Serenvia wrote:No they weren't they had a boner for nationalism and modernism.

Left Wing Nationalists exist. And most Leftism is Modernist.

I would be hesitent in calling Modernism itself leftist, as that obviously isn't always the case. But I think the Young Turks would count.


Nationalism is just... bad.
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Postby Serenvia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:04 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Serenvia wrote:No they weren't they had a boner for nationalism and modernism.

Left Wing Nationalists exist.

/sweats loudly/

(ʘ‿ʘ ; )

I'd really say calling The Young Turks 'Left wing Nationalists' is really pushing the term to its limits. They were western trained (not in the west but the military style) and wanted to emulate the western powers, Germany in particular iirc.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:05 pm

Mattopilos wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Left Wing Nationalists exist. And most Leftism is Modernist.

I would be hesitent in calling Modernism itself leftist, as that obviously isn't always the case. But I think the Young Turks would count.


Nationalism is just... bad.

But Muh Glorious Motherland Amirite?
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Postby Daburuetchi » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:05 pm

Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
Daburuetchi wrote:
Want a full on heat attack? Read this classic from r/shittankiessay http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/ ... revisited/


"Surprisingly, Cambodians have no bad memories of that period. This is quite an amazing discovery for an infrequent visitor. I did not come to reconstruct “the truth”, whatever it is, but rather to find out what is the collective memory of the Cambodians, how do they perceive the events of the late 20th century, what narrative has been filtered down by time gone by."

this coming from an article that features zero actual Cambodians speaking. Suure author dude, suuure.


Did I mention that the author of this article does in fact unironically supports the restoration of the Ottoman Empire? http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Ottomans.htm

Cenk opened the floodgates

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:06 pm

Serenvia wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Left Wing Nationalists exist.

/sweats loudly/

(ʘ‿ʘ ; )

I'd really say calling The Young Turks 'Left wing Nationalists' is really pushing the term to its limits. They were western trained (not in the west but the military style) and wanted to emulate the western powers, Germany in particular iirc.

It is a stretch. But I say it reaches that territory.
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Postby Mattopilos » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:06 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:
Nationalism is just... bad.

But Muh Glorious Motherland Amirite?


#SovietsDidNothingWrong :^)
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Postby Serenvia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:07 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
"Surprisingly, Cambodians have no bad memories of that period. This is quite an amazing discovery for an infrequent visitor. I did not come to reconstruct “the truth”, whatever it is, but rather to find out what is the collective memory of the Cambodians, how do they perceive the events of the late 20th century, what narrative has been filtered down by time gone by."

this coming from an article that features zero actual Cambodians speaking. Suure author dude, suuure.


Did I mention that the author of this article does in fact unironically supports the restoration of the Ottoman Empire? http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Ottomans.htm

Cenk opened the floodgates

this is murder
Mattopilos wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:But Muh Glorious Motherland Amirite?


#SovietsDidNothingWrong :^)

tankie pls go ;^;
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Postby Daburuetchi » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:07 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:
Nationalism is just... bad.

But Muh Glorious Motherland Amirite?


But teh Permanent Revolution tho...

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:08 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
"Surprisingly, Cambodians have no bad memories of that period. This is quite an amazing discovery for an infrequent visitor. I did not come to reconstruct “the truth”, whatever it is, but rather to find out what is the collective memory of the Cambodians, how do they perceive the events of the late 20th century, what narrative has been filtered down by time gone by."

this coming from an article that features zero actual Cambodians speaking. Suure author dude, suuure.


Did I mention that the author of this article does in fact unironically supports the restoration of the Ottoman Empire? http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Ottomans.htm

Good. The Ottomans coming back would be great.
https://vimeo.com/1569826

The guy you quoted seems ah...suspicious in how he wants that to happen.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:12 pm

Mattopilos wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:But Muh Glorious Motherland Amirite?


#SovietsDidNothingWrong :^)

Ungern Sternberg was best Bolshevik Remover
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:14 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Ottomans.htm

I take it back, this guy sounds pretty based. Bravo.
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Postby Serenvia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:15 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Daburuetchi wrote:http://www.israelshamir.net/English/Ottomans.htm

I take it back, this guy sounds pretty based. Bravo.

>based
>basically went tankie with Pol Pot and Cambodia

why jochi
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:16 pm

Serenvia wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:I take it back, this guy sounds pretty based. Bravo.

>based
>basically went tankie with Pol Pot and Cambodia

why jochi

I didn't see that part. what?

Oh Allah have Mercy.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:17 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:But Muh Glorious Motherland Amirite?


But teh Permanent Revolution tho...

Image

Image
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Postby Serenvia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:19 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Serenvia wrote:>based
>basically went tankie with Pol Pot and Cambodia

why jochi

I didn't see that part. what?

Daburuetchi wrote:
Want a full on heat attack? Read this classic from r/shittankiessay http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/ ... revisited/
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Postby Daburuetchi » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:20 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:
#SovietsDidNothingWrong :^)

Ungern Sternberg was best Bolshevik Remover


I'm pretty sure you mean Genghis Khan II, slayer of syndicalist and Pu Yi

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:20 pm

Serenvia wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:I didn't see that part. what?

Daburuetchi wrote:
Want a full on heat attack? Read this classic from r/shittankiessay http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/ ... revisited/

I did not see that. wow.
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Postby Daburuetchi » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:23 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Serenvia wrote:

I did not see that. wow.


Did I mention that the same author denies the holocaust?

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:25 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:I did not see that. wow.


Did I mention that the same author denies the holocaust?

The what?

no yeah, okay that's pretty far.
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Postby Serenvia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:25 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:I did not see that. wow.


Did I mention that the same author denies the holocaust?

(ʘ‿ʘ )
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:26 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Ungern Sternberg was best Bolshevik Remover


I'm pretty sure you mean Genghis Khan II, slayer of syndicalist and Pu Yi

\m/

Also Avatar of Mahākāla, apparently.
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Muslim and Tengrist Clerical Fascist State. Not my rl views.

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