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What kind of Leftist are you?

Centrist/Moderate/Third wayer (Centrists usually reside within Leftist parties, so I thought I'd include them).
279
13%
Social Liberal
259
12%
Social Democrat
338
16%
Green Progressive
188
9%
Democratic Socialist
433
20%
Marxist Communist
246
12%
Anarchist Communist
202
10%
Other (please state)
176
8%
 
Total votes : 2121
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:15 pm

Mattopilos wrote:Why tf has the topic of this thread become "What is edgy"?


Because people are like that.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:16 pm

Mattopilos wrote:Why tf has the topic of this thread become "What is edgy"?


Testosterone.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:16 pm

Mattopilos wrote:Why tf has the topic of this thread become "What is edgy"?

The Internet?
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Postby Minzerland II » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:18 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:Good. You seem to fit both definitions of 'edgy' just fine.


I don't fit the definition that I linked to.

I beg to differ.
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:20 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
I don't fit the definition that I linked to.

I beg to differ.


Then you need to work on your read comprehension, Minzerland.

And I'm done with this discussion.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
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Postby Minzerland II » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:20 pm

Mattopilos wrote:Why tf has the topic of this thread become "What is edgy"?

Because someone said something astoundingly stupid and edgy.
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Postby Minzerland II » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:21 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:I beg to differ.


Then you need to work on your read comprehension, Minzerland.

And I'm done with this discussion.

I have a feeling that it is the other way around.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:21 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:I beg to differ.


Then you need to work on your read comprehension, Minzerland.

And I'm done with this discussion.

I'm pretty sure Minzerland would strongly disagree.
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Postby Pandeeria » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:29 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:Why tf has the topic of this thread become "What is edgy"?

Because someone said something astoundingly stupid and edgy.


How is wishing for a destruction of an ideology I find as bad to be stupid?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
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Postby Daburuetchi » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:30 pm

Right so that was an edifying display of saltiness. Anyhow the meme master Zizek has spoken again about Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Awx0qJM_I
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Postby Mattopilos » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:33 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:Right so that was an edifying display of saltiness. Anyhow the meme master Zizek has spoken again about Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Awx0qJM_I


It is in my self interest to never hear the words of that man. Ever.
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Postby Serenvia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:34 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:Right so that was an edifying display of saltiness. Anyhow the meme master Zizek has spoken again about Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Awx0qJM_I

Me at Zizek: E N O U G H
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Postby Daburuetchi » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:41 pm

Serenvia wrote:
Daburuetchi wrote:Right so that was an edifying display of saltiness. Anyhow the meme master Zizek has spoken again about Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Awx0qJM_I

Me at Zizek: E N O U G H


Tbh the only prominent leftist I wouldn't say that to is Noam Chomsky at this point. And that's probably because his only piece of practical advice is vote democrat in a swing state. Everyone else is a useless reformist
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Postby Mattopilos » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:42 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Serenvia wrote:Me at Zizek: E N O U G H


Tbh the only prominent leftist I wouldn't say that to is Noam Chomsky at this point. And that's probably because his only piece of practical advice is vote democrat in a swing state. Everyone else is a useless reformist


It is hard to know whether accelarationism (Zizek) or "lesser evilism" (Chomsky) will bring about a better result for leftists at this point.
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Postby Daburuetchi » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:48 pm

Mattopilos wrote:
Daburuetchi wrote:
Tbh the only prominent leftist I wouldn't say that to is Noam Chomsky at this point. And that's probably because his only piece of practical advice is vote democrat in a swing state. Everyone else is a useless reformist


It is hard to know whether accelarationism (Zizek) or "lesser evilism" (Chomsky) will bring about a better result for leftists at this point.


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Postby Serenvia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:49 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Serenvia wrote:Me at Zizek: E N O U G H


Tbh the only prominent leftist I wouldn't say that to is Noam Chomsky at this point. And that's probably because his only piece of practical advice is vote democrat in a swing state. Everyone else is a useless reformist

Even then that's pretty damn moderate, even if he is correct.

Daburuetchi wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:
It is hard to know whether accelarationism (Zizek) or "lesser evilism" (Chomsky) will bring about a better result for leftists at this point.


Support independent media and the restoration of the Ottoman Empire! Subscribe to the Young Turk Network and bring on the political revolution! Enver Pasha/Bernie 2020!

/has a heart attack/
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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:49 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:Right so that was an edifying display of saltiness. Anyhow the meme master Zizek has spoken again about Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Awx0qJM_I


Watching it now. Yeah it's easy for you to say that old dude, you'll be dead soon. What about the rest of us who have to go through all that political chaos to create that 'more authentic left'? Not to mention the uncomfortableness of you defining a new leftist paradigm in terms of purity, not innovation or adaptation.
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Postby Mattopilos » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:50 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:
It is hard to know whether accelarationism (Zizek) or "lesser evilism" (Chomsky) will bring about a better result for leftists at this point.


Support independent media and the restoration of the Ottoman Empire! Subscribe to the Young Turk Network and bring on the political revolution! Enver Pasha/Bernie 2020!


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Pros:Anarchy, Communism (not that of Stalin or Mao), abortion rights, LGBTI rights, secularism i.e. SOCAS, Agnostic atheism, free speech (within reason), science, most dark humor, dialectic egoism, anarcha-feminism.
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Postby Serenvia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:53 pm

Mattopilos wrote:
Daburuetchi wrote:
Support independent media and the restoration of the Ottoman Empire! Subscribe to the Young Turk Network and bring on the political revolution! Enver Pasha/Bernie 2020!


F U C K P L S N O

I got heart palpations reading that.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:55 pm

Daburuetchi wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:
It is hard to know whether accelarationism (Zizek) or "lesser evilism" (Chomsky) will bring about a better result for leftists at this point.


Support independent media and the restoration of the Ottoman Empire! Subscribe to the Young Turk Network and bring on the political revolution! Enver Pasha/Bernie 2020!

>Young Turks
>Ottomanist

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Postby Serenvia » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:57 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Daburuetchi wrote:
Support independent media and the restoration of the Ottoman Empire! Subscribe to the Young Turk Network and bring on the political revolution! Enver Pasha/Bernie 2020!

>Young Turks
>Ottomanist

SUDHKJBALK;alw'ql

This kills the Jochitm
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:57 pm

Bogdanov Vishniac wrote:
Daburuetchi wrote:Right so that was an edifying display of saltiness. Anyhow the meme master Zizek has spoken again about Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7Awx0qJM_I


Watching it now. Yeah it's easy for you to say that old dude, you'll be dead soon. What about the rest of us who have to go through all that political chaos to create that 'more authentic left'? Not to mention the uncomfortableness of you defining a new leftist paradigm in terms of purity, not innovation or adaptation.

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Postby Daburuetchi » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:58 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Daburuetchi wrote:
Support independent media and the restoration of the Ottoman Empire! Subscribe to the Young Turk Network and bring on the political revolution! Enver Pasha/Bernie 2020!

>Young Turks
>Ottomanist

SUDHKJBALK;alw'ql


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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:58 pm

Were the Original Young Turks Leftists?

I say Yes. Yes they were. Congratulations.
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Postby Daburuetchi » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:59 pm

Serenvia wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:
F U C K P L S N O

I got heart palpations reading that.


Want a full on heat attack? Read this classic from r/shittankiessay http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/ ... revisited/
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