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by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:10 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:11 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Bojikami » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:11 pm
Pandeeria wrote:Bojikami wrote:We aren't discussing Stalin here. We are discussing the concept of revolution as a whole now.
No, I'm discussing Stalin with the Stalin apologist, which is you. You should just concede that the purges weren't to stop Trotsky, and that he never spreader Socialism at all.
by United Marxist Nations » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:12 pm
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by Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:13 pm
Bojikami wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
No, I'm discussing Stalin with the Stalin apologist, which is you. You should just concede that the purges weren't to stop Trotsky, and that he never spreader Socialism at all.
I won't because this is incorrect. The purge targeted Trotsky's remaining allies in the government. Did it get carried away and include most political foes? Yes, but this was the nature of the purge in the first place. Stalin also did infact fight to spread socialism, though yes, he could have been far more aggressive in doing so.
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:13 pm
Bojikami wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
No, I'm discussing Stalin with the Stalin apologist, which is you. You should just concede that the purges weren't to stop Trotsky, and that he never spreader Socialism at all.
I won't because this is incorrect. The purge targeted Trotsky's remaining allies in the government. Did it get carried away and include most political foes? Yes, but this was the nature of the purge in the first place. Stalin also did infact fight to spread socialism, though yes, he could have been far more aggressive in doing so.
United Marxist Nations wrote:Prove me wrong. Pro-tip, you can't.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Bojikami » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:13 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:Bojikami wrote:I won't because this is incorrect. The purge targeted Trotsky's remaining allies in the government. Did it get carried away and include most political foes? Yes, but this was the nature of the purge in the first place. Stalin also did infact fight to spread socialism, though yes, he could have been far more aggressive in doing so.
"Got carried away"
ahahahahahaha fucks sake
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:14 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by United Marxist Nations » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:15 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
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by Bojikami » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:16 pm
Pandeeria wrote:Bojikami wrote:I won't because this is incorrect. The purge targeted Trotsky's remaining allies in the government. Did it get carried away and include most political foes? Yes, but this was the nature of the purge in the first place. Stalin also did infact fight to spread socialism, though yes, he could have been far more aggressive in doing so.
No, because the USSR never practiced Socialism.United Marxist Nations wrote:Prove me wrong. Pro-tip, you can't.
by Greater Istanistan » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:16 pm
Bojikami wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
No, I'm discussing Stalin with the Stalin apologist, which is you. You should just concede that the purges weren't to stop Trotsky, and that he never spreader Socialism at all.
I won't because this is incorrect. The purge targeted Trotsky's remaining allies in the government. Did it get carried away and include most political foes? Yes, but this was the nature of the purge in the first place. Stalin also did infact fight to spread socialism, though yes, he could have been far more aggressive in doing so.
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:16 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:17 pm
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:17 pm
Bojikami wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
No, because the USSR never practiced Socialism.
That's where you're wrong, bucko. During the civil war and through much of the early half of the 20th century the Soviet Union actively practised socialism through it's policies. However, the experiences of World War 2 and the Cold War took it off of this path.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Mattopilos » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:18 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Mattopilos wrote:
Not always. Anarchy doesn't. Marxist-Leninist communism does, but not anarcho-collectivism or anarcho-communism, or anarcho-syndicalism. Or any anarchic systems, really (except AnCap, but we shall not talk of them).
Anarchist revolution in a nutshell
>make a state
>claim it isn't a state
Prove me wrong. Pro-tip, you can't.
by Minzerland II » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:18 pm
St Anselm of Canterbury wrote:[…]who ever heard of anything having two mothers or two fathers? (Monologion, pg. 63)
by United Marxist Nations » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:19 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
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by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:19 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Bojikami » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:20 pm
Greater Istanistan wrote:Bojikami wrote:I won't because this is incorrect. The purge targeted Trotsky's remaining allies in the government. Did it get carried away and include most political foes? Yes, but this was the nature of the purge in the first place. Stalin also did infact fight to spread socialism, though yes, he could have been far more aggressive in doing so.
I personally feel that his flaw was in overly centralizing control. He was putting out decrees completely irrelevant to actual situations overseas, whether it was the attacks on potential allies in Spain, the accelerationist nonsense in Germany, or the demand that the Japan Communists start active resistance when the party wasn't ready. He kept on peddling all this genuine idiocy that was ignorant of real conditions while monopolizing all power in the USSR due to the whole "socialism in one country" lark, which frankly I can't take seriously. Socialism in One Country wasn't about building it in the USSR, it was about turning all international Communist activity into defending the Soviet state and Stalinism instead of trying to actually build Communism worldwide.
Stalin was such a goof.
by Mattopilos » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:21 pm
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:21 pm
Bojikami wrote:Greater Istanistan wrote:
I personally feel that his flaw was in overly centralizing control. He was putting out decrees completely irrelevant to actual situations overseas, whether it was the attacks on potential allies in Spain, the accelerationist nonsense in Germany, or the demand that the Japan Communists start active resistance when the party wasn't ready. He kept on peddling all this genuine idiocy that was ignorant of real conditions while monopolizing all power in the USSR due to the whole "socialism in one country" lark, which frankly I can't take seriously. Socialism in One Country wasn't about building it in the USSR, it was about turning all international Communist activity into defending the Soviet state and Stalinism instead of trying to actually build Communism worldwide.
Stalin was such a goof.
I do disagree with Stalin and wish he did more to advance world socialism prior to World War 2. However, the Soviet Union was simply unable to partake in any overt armed struggle against the capitalist west without destroying itself and its army prior to the industrialisation of the 30s. World War 2 created conditions in Europe that, if not managed by a genuine socialist, could easily become social-imperialist. Which is what Khrushchev did.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by United Marxist Nations » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:22 pm
Mattopilos wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:How in the fuck were they not states? They had armies, conducted purges, had chains of command, and repressed various groups in society. Sounds like a state to me.
Armies don't make a state. Purges don't make a state. A chain of command does not make a state. Repression does not make a state.
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by United Marxist Nations » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:22 pm
Pandeeria wrote:Bojikami wrote:I do disagree with Stalin and wish he did more to advance world socialism prior to World War 2. However, the Soviet Union was simply unable to partake in any overt armed struggle against the capitalist west without destroying itself and its army prior to the industrialisation of the 30s. World War 2 created conditions in Europe that, if not managed by a genuine socialist, could easily become social-imperialist. Which is what Khrushchev did.
>Calls Stalin a genuine Socialist
My fucking sides mate, my fucking sides. Is this suppose to be a prank?
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