What? Was the working class and laborers too ignorant or untrustworthy for handling such means? That isn't socialism, that's just capitalism under the control of the state.
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by Seylland » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:59 pm
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:00 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:00 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:01 pm
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by Trotskylvania » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:02 pm
Bojikami wrote:Trotskylvania wrote:Over one million party members were arrested, tortured, forced to sign confessions under extreme duress, and executed by the state security apparatus Stalin personally created and served as patron to. That is the sine qua none of tyranny
Not at all. This is called rooting out the Trotskyite scourge.
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Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:02 pm
United Marxist Nations wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
Revolution is one of, if not, the greatest expressions of freedom, violently overthrowing a super structure. It is freedom.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/w ... hority.htm
>forgetting On Authority
Shiggy Diggy. You need a refresher course.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Bojikami » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:03 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:03 pm
Pandeeria wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/w ... hority.htm
>forgetting On Authority
Shiggy Diggy. You need a refresher course.
I don't consider myself a Marxist. I think Engrls considering revolution as authoritarian was a dumb statement on his part.
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:04 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by United Marxist Nations » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:05 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:06 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Bojikami » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:06 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:06 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:07 pm
Bojikami wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
It's not, it's stopping a group from imposing it's will on the people (the group in this context being states officials).
Socialist Revolution creates a dictatorship of the proletariat to impose the will of the proletariat as opposed to the traditional dictatorship of the bourgeois.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:07 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Bojikami » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:07 pm
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:07 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Trotskylvania » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:07 pm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Ultra - The Left Wing of the Impossible
Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
by United Marxist Nations » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:08 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Mattopilos » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:08 pm
by Pandeeria » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:09 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Bojikami » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:09 pm
Mattopilos wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:Revolution creates another state to destroy the existing state.
Not always. Anarchy doesn't. Marxist-Leninist communism does, but not anarcho-collectivism or anarcho-communism, or anarcho-syndicalism. Or any anarchic systems, really (except AnCap, but we shall not talk of them).
by United Marxist Nations » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:09 pm
Mattopilos wrote:United Marxist Nations wrote:Revolution creates another state to destroy the existing state.
Not always. Anarchy doesn't. Marxist-Leninist communism does, but not anarcho-collectivism or anarcho-communism, or anarcho-syndicalism. Or any anarchic systems, really (except AnCap, but we shall not talk of them).
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
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