Honestly I would love Constantinople back in Greek hands.
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by The Republic of American Freedom » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:58 pm

by Unnamed island state » Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:59 pm

by Ciliath » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:00 pm
The Republic of American Freedom wrote:Unnamed island state wrote:
what?
I'm hoping that the conflict with the PKK will get rid of Erdogan, but it's not going to destabilize the country to that extent. If Russia attacks they'll actually get the punishment they deserve, so they are not going to conquer Istanbul. It confuses me that you'd think that's a positive thing.
Restore Constantinople! Remove Kebab!

by The Republic of American Freedom » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:01 pm

by Unnamed island state » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:03 pm
The Republic of American Freedom wrote:Unnamed island state wrote:In the times when the population was over 50% non Turk, that might have been acceptable. Now it isn't.
We can always have a population exchange just like in the 1920's. The Turks go back to their Central Asian homeland and the Greeks take back their old territory.

by The Republic of American Freedom » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:05 pm
Unnamed island state wrote:The Republic of American Freedom wrote:We can always have a population exchange just like in the 1920's. The Turks go back to their Central Asian homeland and the Greeks take back their old territory.
First of all you don't understand the ethnic identity of most Turks living in Turkey. They're actually more related to native "Anatolians" (whether that be Greek or whatever) than they are Asian. So no.
And anyway that sounds very much like a Dominican Republic type policy.

by Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:06 pm

by Morr » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:07 pm
Unnamed island state wrote:You're really buying in to the Russian mentality of "the people whose countries we annex love us."
Russia is not stronk enough to go against NATO though.
And what are they trying to accomplish?...

by The Republic of American Freedom » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:08 pm
Unnamed island state wrote:The Republic of American Freedom wrote:We can always have a population exchange just like in the 1920's. The Turks go back to their Central Asian homeland and the Greeks take back their old territory.
First of all you don't understand the identity of most Turks living in Turkey. They're actually more related to native "Anatolians" (whether that be Greek or whatever) than they are Asian. So no. Turks living in Turkey are the least related to the original "Turks" out of any other group claiming to be Turks.
Secondly that's ridiculous and cruel.

by Morr » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:09 pm
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Morr wrote:Do you support the PKK? Seeing as how they are virtually anarchists and belittle the idea of a Kurdish state as "Kurdish Zionism".
I do support the PKK, and am quite open to their ideology. I am totally fine with the idea of a Kurdish state, but due to my general disdain for nationalism, I would also be all right with fully guaranteed rights for Kurds in all respective nations.
I also fully support the Rojava Revolution.

by Unnamed island state » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:10 pm
Morr wrote:Unnamed island state wrote:You're really buying in to the Russian mentality of "the people whose countries we annex love us."
No, I strongly oppose Russia's actions in the Ukraine, and I'm sure the people of the Ukraine don't love them. But it is true that the majority aren't nationalists, judging by their election results.
Morr wrote:And what are they trying to accomplish?...
Strengthening Wahhabist hegemony in the Middle East.

by Morr » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:11 pm

by Unnamed island state » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:12 pm
Morr wrote:Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I do support the PKK, and am quite open to their ideology. I am totally fine with the idea of a Kurdish state, but due to my general disdain for nationalism, I would also be all right with fully guaranteed rights for Kurds in all respective nations.
I also fully support the Rojava Revolution.
Why do you think the U.S. is so hostile toward Rojava?

by The Republic of American Freedom » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:13 pm

by Morr » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:14 pm
Unnamed island state wrote:Are you referring to the polls in Crimea?
Nevertheless Donbass is a different situation.
No they are not. Nobody gains from destabilizing the Middle East, many NATO member countries have been hurt by it a lot.

by Unnamed island state » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:18 pm
Morr wrote:Yet Saudi Arabia and Turkey both openly back Jaish al-Fatah. And Saudi Arabia is the major exporter of Wahhabism, and NATO is lovebirds with them.

by The Republic of American Freedom » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:19 pm

by Morr » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:19 pm

by Unnamed island state » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:26 pm
Morr wrote:The Republic of American Freedom wrote:They oppose the partitioning of Syria (and Iraq)
Also, the U.S. will back the Iraq partition that Turkey is setting up under Barzani, I guarantee you. Barzani is Sunni and will be friendly to NATO, whereas Iraq is Shia and is getting much more chummy with Iran.

by The Republic of American Freedom » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:28 pm
Unnamed island state wrote:Morr wrote:Also, the U.S. will back the Iraq partition that Turkey is setting up under Barzani, I guarantee you. Barzani is Sunni and will be friendly to NATO, whereas Iraq is Shia and is getting much more chummy with Iran.
And there's nothing wrong with Barzani.Morr wrote:Yes. And I do not support their increasing influence and cancerous ideology gaining ground. Therefore I oppose them, Turkey and NATO in the Middle East. ISIS is their fault to begin with.
No, ISIS is the fault of NATO not Turkey.

by Morr » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:29 pm
Unnamed island state wrote:And there's nothing wrong with Barzani.
Fault of NATO not Turkey.

by Unnamed island state » Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:32 pm
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