Right-Wing Discussion Thread

[Jochistan]

Problem is, no one's Center right. Hillary, Fucking Hillary is closer to being center right than any of the GOP candidated

[Dinake]

Except the ones who are bought out enough to not matter.
Santorum has his head on his shoulders, but he doesn't see that Washington is unfixable. Huckabee is crazy, the Donald and Cruz are madmen, Carson is even crazier and utterly unsuited for the job, Bush is the most bought out, artificial thing this side of Hilary Clinton. Did I miss anyone?

In what world does Santorum have his head on his shoulders?

Or did he stop being fucking insane since the last time he tried to run for president.

I don't know of any other presidential candidate who opposes the twin scourges of contraceptives and credential inflation.

[Jochistan]

In what world does Santorum have his head on his shoulders?

Or did he stop being fucking insane since the last time he tried to run for president.

I don't know of any other presidential candidate who opposes the twin scourges of contraceptives and credential inflation.

Contraceptives are a scourge?

Plus, his views on Homosexuality are...a tad extreme. As in, sort of obsessive about it being a legitimate social issue.

[Russo-Byzantine Empire]

It's almost like none of the candidates are suited for the job of being head of state. If only there was a form of government that could fix that.

We don't have nobility in the US, and there's no good candidate for the universal monarch of the US.

Well, except for Elizabeth II. In my mind America should have a similar relationship with Britain to that of Canada.

[Italios]

We don't have nobility in the US, and there's no good candidate for the universal monarch of the US.

Well, except for Elizabeth II. In my mind America should have a similar relationship with Britain to that of Canada.

But they don't, and I don't think Americans would be very keen on that idea. They didn't have a revolutionary war just to have the monarchs of their mother country be their monarch, too.

[The Grey Wolf]

We don't have nobility in the US, and there's no good candidate for the universal monarch of the US.

Well, except for Elizabeth II. In my mind America should have a similar relationship with Britain to that of Canada.

We burnt that boat years ago.

After Washington used it to cross the Delaware.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, except for Elizabeth II. In my mind America should have a similar relationship with Britain to that of Canada.

But they don't, and I don't think Americans would be very keen on that idea. They didn't have a revolutionary war just to have the monarchs of their mother country be their monarch, too.

That would be akin to asking Latin America to see Spain as their legitimate ruler.

<pauses>

Which would be a very, very stupid idea.

[Russo-Byzantine Empire]

The American Revolution was not just about opposing the British monarchy. It was mostly about opposing the rule of Parliament; taxation without representation. America wouldn't be a part of Britain, it would have its legitimate monarch on the throne, and thereby have close ties with Britain, which it already has. To be clear, I don't consider this something feasible, it's just a pipe dream of mine.

[Arkolon]

What does a ceremonial head of state bring to a country? They exert little power and only make sense in countries with the right history and cultural attitudes. It's an exercise in futility to drool over bringing in a ceremonial monarchy, and an exercise in absurdity to hope an absolute monarchy would solve the problems of democracy without creating many new problems instead. It's policy that guides countries, not ceremony. It's practice that gets things done, not clinging to tradition. Being right-wing means believing in right-wing policies, and having a monarchist appreciation society usurp the thread has as much to do with right-wing policies and theory as the left-wing thread debating the hexadecimal code for the shade of red they'd use on their revolutionary flag.

[Conscentia]

What does a ceremonial head of state bring to a country? They exert little power and only make sense in countries with the right history and cultural attitudes. It's an exercise in futility to drool over bringing in a ceremonial monarchy, and an exercise in absurdity to hope an absolute monarchy would solve the problems of democracy without creating many new problems instead. It's policy that guides countries, not ceremony. It's practice that gets things done, not clinging to tradition. Being right-wing means believing in right-wing policies, and having a monarchist appreciation society usurp the thread has as much to do with right-wing policies and theory as the left-wing thread debating the hexadecimal code for the shade of red they'd use on their revolutionary flag.

Hello, Arkolon. Welcome back.

I don't see how a ceremonial monarchy can ever make sense. As you said "It's policy that guides countries, not ceremony".

[Dinake]

I don't know of any other presidential candidate who opposes the twin scourges of contraceptives and credential inflation.

Contraceptives are a scourge?

Plus, his views on Homosexuality are...a tad extreme. As in, sort of obsessive about it being a legitimate social issue.

Yes, they are. His views are a bit extreme, but for an American politician, he's practically reasonable and right.

[Russo-Byzantine Empire]

What does a ceremonial head of state bring to a country? They exert little power and only make sense in countries with the right history and cultural attitudes. It's an exercise in futility to drool over bringing in a ceremonial monarchy, and an exercise in absurdity to hope an absolute monarchy would solve the problems of democracy without creating many new problems instead. It's policy that guides countries, not ceremony. It's practice that gets things done, not clinging to tradition. Being right-wing means believing in right-wing policies, and having a monarchist appreciation society usurp the thread has as much to do with right-wing policies and theory as the left-wing thread debating the hexadecimal code for the shade of red they'd use on their revolutionary flag.

For one thing, it means the head of state isn't tied to politics. This is important because they make better symbols in times of crisis. Also, in theory the vast majority of constitutional monarchs do have actual power; not absolute power, though. I am aware that this is not true in practice; this should change. I am not a monarchist because I am a traditionalist, I am a monarchist because Constitutional Monarchy has consistently been the system that has lead to and maintained democracy the best, with the least violence. You are right that monarchism does not have to be right wing, however the Poll equates it with right wing thought and that means it is a valid point of discussion.

[Conscentia]

For one thing, it means the head of state isn't tied to politics.

Which doesn't matter, as they don't have any power.
Also, It's not true. It's tied to conservative politics, monarchism, etc.

This is important because they make better symbols in times of crisis.

How is an inherited title a good symbol in crisis?

Also, in theory the vast majority of constitutional monarchs do have actual power; not absolute power, though. I am aware that this is not true in practice; this should change. I am not a monarchist because I am a traditionalist, I am a monarchist because Constitutional Monarchy has consistently been the system that has lead to and maintained democracy the best, with the least violence. You are right that monarchism does not have to be right wing, however the Poll equates it with right wing thought and that means it is a valid point of discussion.

Can you demonstrate causation, not just correlation?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Problem is, no one's Center right. Hillary, Fucking Hillary is closer to being center right than any of the GOP candidated

She's not "close" to being center-right. That's all she is. She's quite obviously not left-wing, lol.

Every GOP candidate is firmly right-wing, if not far-right.

[The Grey Wolf]

Problem is, no one's Center right. Hillary, Fucking Hillary is closer to being center right than any of the GOP candidated

She's not "close" to being center-right. That's all she is. She's quite obviously not left-wing, lol.

Every GOP candidate is firmly right-wing, if not far-right.

Evola, Spengler, and Junger would be appalled at the state of the American Right.

[Morr]

In what world does Santorum have his head on his shoulders?

Or did he stop being fucking insane since the last time he tried to run for president.

I don't know of any other presidential candidate who opposes the twin scourges of contraceptives and credential inflation.

Please explain the problem with contraceptives while keeping in mind the Church Fathers were dealing with abortifacient contraceptives, not stuff like condoms.

Hard mode: don't use Aristotle.

[Dinake]

I don't know of any other presidential candidate who opposes the twin scourges of contraceptives and credential inflation.

Please explain the problem with contraceptives while keeping in mind the Church Fathers were dealing with abortifacient contraceptives, not stuff like condoms.

Hard mode: don't use Aristotle.

Sexuality is meant to be an act of total self-giving, a gift which includes the gift of fertility. Contraceptives(and there's pretty good evidence the Romans had non-abortifacient contraceptives- notably, sponges.) deny this gift, giving the lie to the gift of sexuality.

[Geilinor]

Please explain the problem with contraceptives while keeping in mind the Church Fathers were dealing with abortifacient contraceptives, not stuff like condoms.

Hard mode: don't use Aristotle.

Sexuality is meant to be an act of total self-giving, a gift which includes the gift of fertility. Contraceptives(and there's pretty good evidence the Romans had non-abortifacient contraceptives- notably, sponges.) deny this gift, giving the lie to the gift of sexuality.

Contraceptives allow people to experience said "gift" on their own time.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Please explain the problem with contraceptives while keeping in mind the Church Fathers were dealing with abortifacient contraceptives, not stuff like condoms.

Hard mode: don't use Aristotle.

1) Sexuality is meant to be an act of total self-giving, a gift which includes the gift of fertility. 2) Contraceptives(and there's pretty good evidence the Romans had non-abortifacient contraceptives- notably, sponges.) deny this gift, giving the lie to the gift of sexuality.

1. Source.
2. Sexual relations are used for pleasure, not just reproduction. Contraceptives ensure this.

[Morr]

Please explain the problem with contraceptives while keeping in mind the Church Fathers were dealing with abortifacient contraceptives, not stuff like condoms.

Hard mode: don't use Aristotle.

Sexuality is meant to be an act of total self-giving, a gift which includes the gift of fertility. Contraceptives(and there's pretty good evidence the Romans had non-abortifacient contraceptives- notably, sponges.) deny this gift, giving the lie to the gift of sexuality.

There's a lot more to erotic love than reproduction. Nibbling your spouse on the ear, for instance.

[Dinake]

Sexuality is meant to be an act of total self-giving, a gift which includes the gift of fertility. Contraceptives(and there's pretty good evidence the Romans had non-abortifacient contraceptives- notably, sponges.) deny this gift, giving the lie to the gift of sexuality.

There's a lot more to erotic love than reproduction. Nibbling your spouse on the ear, for instance.

I'm aware of that. But removing it from being a part of erotic love, as contraceptives do, gives a lie to an act of total self-giving.

[Jochistan]

Problem is, no one's Center right. Hillary, Fucking Hillary is closer to being center right than any of the GOP candidated

She's not "close" to being center-right. That's all she is. She's quite obviously not left-wing, lol.

Every GOP candidate is firmly right-wing, if not far-right.

Maybe economically she's center right. If you consider Keynesian economics to not be leftist.

Socially she's very firmly Left.

[Geilinor]

She's not "close" to being center-right. That's all she is. She's quite obviously not left-wing, lol.

Every GOP candidate is firmly right-wing, if not far-right.

Maybe economically she's center right. If you consider Keynesian economics to not be leftist.

Socially she's very firmly Left.

Keynesian economics would probably be centrist, like Keynes.

[Jochistan]

Maybe economically she's center right. If you consider Keynesian economics to not be leftist.

Socially she's very firmly Left.

Keynesian economics would probably be centrist, like Keynes.

Still, she's by no means center right. Any more than Obama is. They're both solidly liberal. Socially if not economically.

[Jochistan]

Maybe economically she's center right. If you consider Keynesian economics to not be leftist.

Socially she's very firmly Left.

Keynesian economics would probably be centrist, like Keynes.

And Keynesian economics haven't been a right wing value in America at all. for a pretty long time.