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Edmund Burke
63
15%
William F. Buckley
39
9%
Dostoevsky
34
8%
Evola
41
10%
De Maistre
15
4%
Disraeli
39
9%
Other
187
45%
 
Total votes : 418

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Val Halla
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Postby Val Halla » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:13 pm

White European States wrote:
Val Halla wrote:You'll be reported for advocating death

Well, have


Go to hell!

If homophobic people go to heaven then shit, I will go to hell
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Nova Populi
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Postby Nova Populi » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:13 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Nova Populi wrote:
Maybe I'm moderate too. Fascism seems rather incompatible with my anti-government libertarianism.


"Seems"
Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity


Pretty much the core of it's philosophy is incompatible with libertarianism or anti-statism.


Aye. And union coal miners fund the party that shuts down coal mines. It's a weird world.

If fascists are right-wing, and libertarians are right-wing, what is the commonality that makes them right-wing?

The fact that fascists want government to do something other than referee a clean game puts them out of my own personal definition of right-wing.
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White European States
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Postby White European States » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:14 pm

White European States wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
So you support rape and bestiality of people who don't share your opinion?


It varies


I would support rape for a guy who watches Pain Olympics

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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:14 pm

White European States wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:Why the hell would someone support Pinochet, a man who's regime committed brutal atrocities such as raping women with dogs?


I support! (yes, i voted for him in the poll)

Why? Putting aside the needless brutality, there are far more successful right-wing dictators.
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:16 pm

Nova Populi wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
"Seems"


Pretty much the core of it's philosophy is incompatible with libertarianism or anti-statism.


Aye. And union coal miners fund the party that shuts down coal mines. It's a weird world.

If fascists are right-wing, and libertarians are right-wing, what is the commonality that makes them right-wing?

The fact that fascists want government to do something other than referee a clean game puts them out of my own personal definition of right-wing.

You're excluding a lot of right wingers from your definition then. Most of whom are far more unambiguously right wing than libertarians. Don't get me wrong, there are legitimate reasons to doubt how right wing fascists are, but "they're not minarchists" is not one of them.
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The Grey Wolf
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:16 pm

White European States wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
So you support rape and bestiality of people who don't share your opinion?


It varies


Thank you for proving that no civilized human being should take your views seriously.

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White European States
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Postby White European States » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:17 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
White European States wrote:
It varies


Thank you for proving that no civilized human being should take your views seriously.



I would support rape for a guy who watches Pain Olympics

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Bermon
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Postby Bermon » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:17 pm

Diopolis wrote:
White European States wrote:
Go to hell!

I think democracy is a bunch of claptrap

That would put you on the far left of the spectrum.
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The Grey Wolf
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:17 pm

White European States wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Thank you for proving that no civilized human being should take your views seriously.



I would support rape for a guy who watches Pain Olympics


See my post you quoted.

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Nova Populi
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Postby Nova Populi » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:19 pm

Val Halla wrote:
White European States wrote:
Go to hell!

If homophobic people go to heaven then shit, I will go to hell


What if I told you there is no heaven or hell?
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:19 pm

Bermon wrote:
Diopolis wrote: I think democracy is a bunch of claptrap

That would put you on the far left of the spectrum.

What? Are you one of those guys who thinks "right" doesn't go past thomas jefferson? I want to bring back feudalism, and I'm far left?
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Jochistan
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Postby Jochistan » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:19 pm

Diopolis wrote:
White European States wrote:
Go to hell!

See, stop that. I'm as anti-liberal as they come- I openly support Franco, theocracy, and believe in a masonic conspiracy. .

What do the Freemasons even do/beleive?
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White European States
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Postby White European States » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:19 pm

Nova Populi wrote:
Val Halla wrote:If homophobic people go to heaven then shit, I will go to hell


What if I told you there is no heaven or hell?


What if I say Anarchism is a failed theory?

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Italios
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Postby Italios » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:23 pm

White European States wrote:
Nova Populi wrote:
What if I told you there is no heaven or hell?


What if I say Anarchism is a failed theory?

What if I say where's your evidence?
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White European States
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Postby White European States » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:24 pm

Italios wrote:
White European States wrote:
What if I say Anarchism is a failed theory?

What if I say where's your evidence?

Everyone doing what their wanna.

How can this be good?

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Italios
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Postby Italios » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:25 pm

White European States wrote:
Italios wrote:What if I say where's your evidence?

Everyone doing what their wanna.

How can this be good?

That's... Not good evidence. Not even evidence.
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:26 pm

Nova Populi wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
"Seems"


Pretty much the core of it's philosophy is incompatible with libertarianism or anti-statism.


Aye. And union coal miners fund the party that shuts down coal mines. It's a weird world.

If fascists are right-wing, and libertarians are right-wing, what is the commonality that makes them right-wing?

The fact that fascists want government to do something other than referee a clean game puts them out of my own personal definition of right-wing.


"Right wing" has always been defined by the narrow clique that is called the "left" is opposed.

I share more opinions and feelings with the left, but because this clique has already branded me as right-wing, I can therefore no longer identify with it. It doesn't help that this clique has slowly taken upon the attributes of it's old enemies, either.

So I choose not to label myself.
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Nova Populi
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Postby Nova Populi » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:27 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Nova Populi wrote:
Aye. And union coal miners fund the party that shuts down coal mines. It's a weird world.

If fascists are right-wing, and libertarians are right-wing, what is the commonality that makes them right-wing?

The fact that fascists want government to do something other than referee a clean game puts them out of my own personal definition of right-wing.

You're excluding a lot of right wingers from your definition then. Most of whom are far more unambiguously right wing than libertarians. Don't get me wrong, there are legitimate reasons to doubt how right wing fascists are, but "they're not minarchists" is not one of them.


I would say "they're not monarchists" doesn't make people left-wing either. Just put me in the "down-wing" of the excluded middle.

As I said before, I lean rightward, but, if fascism is the last stop on the right-wing train, I'm off way before it gets there. Same with communism on the left train.
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Val Halla
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Postby Val Halla » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:28 pm

Nova Populi wrote:
Val Halla wrote:If homophobic people go to heaven then shit, I will go to hell


What if I told you there is no heaven or hell?

Hell exists. But they misspelled it as Hull.
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Bermon
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Postby Bermon » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:28 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Bermon wrote:That would put you on the far left of the spectrum.

What? Are you one of those guys who thinks "right" doesn't go past thomas jefferson? I want to bring back feudalism, and I'm far left?

Fuedalism doesn't go past "Thomas Jefferson", it's just different. Especially since it flies in the face of democratic principles and the notion of everyone being created equal. Tenets which Jefferson upheld. I called you left because you're against democracy, which is an ideal of the extreme left. Qq
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White European States
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Postby White European States » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:30 pm

Val Halla wrote:
Nova Populi wrote:
What if I told you there is no heaven or hell?

Hell exists. But they misspelled it as Hull.

Bad Joke

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Jochistan
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Postby Jochistan » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:30 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Nova Populi wrote:
Aye. And union coal miners fund the party that shuts down coal mines. It's a weird world.

If fascists are right-wing, and libertarians are right-wing, what is the commonality that makes them right-wing?

The fact that fascists want government to do something other than referee a clean game puts them out of my own personal definition of right-wing.


"Right wing" has always been defined by the narrow clique that is called the "left" is opposed.

I share more opinions and feelings with the left, but because this clique has already branded me as right-wing, I can therefore no longer identify with it. It doesn't help that this clique has slowly taken upon the attributes of it's old enemies, either.

So I choose not to label myself.

I thought you labeled yourself Libertarian?
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:31 pm

Bermon wrote:
Diopolis wrote:What? Are you one of those guys who thinks "right" doesn't go past thomas jefferson? I want to bring back feudalism, and I'm far left?

Fuedalism doesn't go past "Thomas Jefferson", it's just different. Especially since it flies in the face of democratic principles and the notion of everyone being created equal. Tenets which Jefferson upheld. I called you left because you're against democracy, which is an ideal of the extreme left. Qq

Favoring democracy is a property for moderates and most leftists. Extreme left, some rightists and almost all of the "neither left nor right, but batshit insane" ideologies oppose it, which makes opposing democracy not exclusive to the far left.
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Louis20
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Postby Louis20 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:31 pm

in order i vote here 1. Franco 2.Salazar 3.Pinochet 4.stroessner 5. putin

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:31 pm

Jochistan wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
"Right wing" has always been defined by the narrow clique that is called the "left" is opposed.

I share more opinions and feelings with the left, but because this clique has already branded me as right-wing, I can therefore no longer identify with it. It doesn't help that this clique has slowly taken upon the attributes of it's old enemies, either.

So I choose not to label myself.

I thought you labeled yourself Libertarian?


I do. But I refuse the left-right spectrum, it's outdated, but due to humanity's tendency to view things in black and white, it persists.

Besides I usually don't identify myself as anything stronger than independent irl. Here is different.
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