Right-Wing Discussion Thread

[Kelinfort]

Cultural Marxism isn't a problem. Marxism and socialism are potent and real threats.

[Diopolis]

Dues Vult we must retake the holy land and restore the kingdom of heaven and blow up the dome of the rock and make Islam pay!

GOD WILLS IT!

https://youtu.be/49lw0lD7zcA

I disagree. Let the Jews and Mohammedans kill each other; once we have the relics we need, it's not our fight, and won't be until the great Catholic monarch comes.

[Jochistan]

Cultural Marxism isn't a problem. Marxism and socialism are potent and real threats.

Yeah. But Keynsian economics are the closest things to actual "socialism" that have an active role in government. As much as that can still be worrisome.

[Kelinfort]

Cultural Marxism isn't a problem. Marxism and socialism are potent and real threats.

Yeah. But Keynsian economics are the closest things to actual "socialism" that have an active role in government. As much as that can still be worrisome.

In the United States, perhaps. Not so internationally.

[Unnamed island state]

Cultural Marxism isn't a problem. Marxism and socialism are potent and real threats.

Not really. Marxism and Socialism aren't really that popular anymore. And third world revolutionary Marxist groups are mostly dormant now.

[Jochistan]

Cultural Marxism isn't a problem. Marxism and socialism are potent and real threats.

Not really. Marxism and Socialism aren't really that popular anymore. And third world revolutionary Marxist groups are mostly dormant now.

Well, revolutionary groups in Colombia and other parts of Latin America still cause a considerable amount of problems to people in the wrong place at the wrong time.

But I think he means the generally socialist policies of the EU.

[Unnamed island state]

European groups throughout America's history have been:

These groups did not share the same values and cultures and had numerous troubles finding their place in America.

And yet they found the same values and integrated while keeping some of their customs and language.

Everyone has to accept or abide by certain values to coexist in a society. The important thing to notice is that none of these immigrant minorities had to necessarily give up their identities to become American, which is why the United States is considered multicultural. Immigrants retaining their identity is much more controversial in Europe.

Not really. Marxism and Socialism aren't really that popular anymore. And third world revolutionary Marxist groups are mostly dormant now.

Well, revolutionary groups in Colombia and other parts of Latin America still cause a considerable amount of problems to people in the wrong place at the wrong time.

But I think he means the generally socialist policies of the EU.

FARC just went into negotiations with the government. Their ideological relevance is fading as most Latin American countries experience economic growth.

How does the EU employ socialist policies?

[Jochistan]

I mean I'm against Salad Bowl Multiculturalism because it separates communities and isn't done out of equality, respect or anything like that. it's basically segregation based on political correctness and guilt. Being permissive enough, sometimes, to allow unacceptable practices such as abuse of women and "rival" peoples. basically it does nothing to solve the "ghetto mentality" that tears communities apart.

But I don't think Cultural Marxism exists or is a legitimate issue. Because the people who make it up and "combat" it target "race mixing" (of any kind), completely reject all forms of multiculturalism, encourage race hatred and violence, and dehumanize people at their core.

[Donald Trumptopia]

Thank you my good sir, this election is gonna be huge!!! I'm gonna quickscope the life right out of that washed out pig named Hilary.

Are you going to build a wall around voting booths and make them pay for it?

EXACTLY! It's gonna be amazing.

[The Kievan People]

Hell, Trump doesn't even really fall under a 'right-wing' label very well. Dude fits more of a centre-right American populist niche more than anything. His rhetoric just seems to attract the right-wing...Bizarrely.

There is nothing especially bizarre about it.

Most people do not confine themselves to rigid ideological boxes.

[Jochistan]

Hell, Trump doesn't even really fall under a 'right-wing' label very well. Dude fits more of a centre-right American populist niche more than anything. His rhetoric just seems to attract the right-wing...Bizarrely.

There is nothing especially bizarre about it.

Most people do not confine themselves to rigid ideological boxes.

People usually remain on a certain fixed Ideology with a few deviations of their own. They at least "orbit" a point on the political spectrum.

[The Kievan People]

People usually remain on a certain fixed Ideology with a few deviations of their own. They at least "orbit" a point on the political spectrum.

They do not. Most peoples policy positions are generally internally inconsistent, change with time and place, and heavily influenced by external factors. Ideologies are inherently artificial. In reality how we as a society ranks different issues and what is considered acceptable or unacceptable is constantly changing. Ideology tries to command the waves by fixing a certain set of values and priorities; which is likely why the are constantly going in out of fashion, being created and forgotten.

In the American context, which we are all familiar with, it is quite evident when you look at Democrats rapidly "evolving" views on gay marriage or Republicans endless gyrations about what is an acceptable position on healthcare, that no set of fixed precepts can adequately define either the right or left. Positions can be embraced, celebrated and discarded in the span of just a few years by the same people. This is even more evident when begin comparing between different regions and countries.

There is, broadly speaking, a right and a left. But it is not an ideological divide, ideologies merely express the divide that already exists between them.

[Constantinopolis]

You know... I wish right-wing conspiracy theories about "Cultural Marxism" were true. You guys make us sound so badass. Like we're actually winning right now.

Unfortunately, we are in fact losing. And so are you (assuming I am speaking to social conservatives).

The ones who are winning are the libertarians and classical liberals. Since the 1980s, the world has been getting increasingly capitalist, and also increasingly liberal (culturally and socially). Maybe we should do something about that. I am personally an advocate of an alliance between socialists and cultural/social conservatives - an alliance directed against our mutual enemies.

I cannot understand how so many social conservatives support capitalism and free-market policies, which are the greatest force undermining traditional values in the present day.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Ladies and gentlemen, America does not want me, the American people NEED me!

You're not the hero America deserves, but you're the hero America needs!

America does not need a shitty businessman with the vocabulary of a fifth grader and the social attitudes of an 1890s nativist as its commander-in-chief.

[Jochistan]

You know... I wish right-wing conspiracy theories about "Cultural Marxism" were true. You guys make us sound so badass. Like we're actually winning right now.

Unfortunately, we are in fact losing. And so are you (assuming I am speaking to social conservatives).

The ones who are winning are the libertarians and classical liberals. Since the 1980s, the world has been getting increasingly capitalist, and also increasingly liberal (culturally and socially). Maybe we should do something about that. I am personally an advocate of an alliance between socialists and cultural/social conservatives - an alliance directed against our mutual enemies.

I cannot understand how so many social conservatives support capitalism and free-market policies, which are the greatest force undermining traditional values in the present day.

over lenience, social liberalism and general hedonism is what's undermining "traditional values". Allowance of private ownership and freedom to do what you will with what you own (within reason). Has nothing to do with it.

You think theres no morality involved in a system of free and fair trade?

[Constantinopolis]

You know... I wish right-wing conspiracy theories about "Cultural Marxism" were true. You guys make us sound so badass. Like we're actually winning right now.

Unfortunately, we are in fact losing. And so are you (assuming I am speaking to social conservatives).

The ones who are winning are the libertarians and classical liberals. Since the 1980s, the world has been getting increasingly capitalist, and also increasingly liberal (culturally and socially). Maybe we should do something about that. I am personally an advocate of an alliance between socialists and cultural/social conservatives - an alliance directed against our mutual enemies.

I cannot understand how so many social conservatives support capitalism and free-market policies, which are the greatest force undermining traditional values in the present day.

over lenience, social liberalism and general hedonism is what's undermining "traditional values". Allowance of private ownership and freedom to do what you will with what you own (within reason). Has nothing to do with it.

So multinational corporations, who produce all modern media, advertising and consumer products, and who are driven by the profit motive to encourage self-indulgence and sexual promiscuity in order to sell their products, have nothing to do with the aforementioned over lenience, social liberalism and general hedonism?

"Freedom to do what you will with what you own" leads directly and inevitably to hedonism.

[Constantinopolis]

You think theres no morality involved in a system of free and fair trade?

Of course there is. It's hedonistic morality: Each individual trying to achieve personal pleasure and satisfaction, and only caring about other people to the extent that those others can contribute to his individual pleasure. That is the morality of free trade.

There is no duty, altruism, or honour in it. There are no traditional values. There is only self-interest.

[Jochistan]

You think theres no morality involved in a system of free and fair trade?

Of course there is. It's hedonistic morality: Each individual trying to achieve personal pleasure and satisfaction, and only caring about other people to the extent that those others can contribute to his individual pleasure. That is the morality of free trade.

There is no duty, altruism, or honour in it. There are no traditional values. There is only self-interest.

For some maybe. it depends on the social system and morality emphasized around it. Freedom doesn't have to equal Hedonism. And self interest can be shaped by morality. Whether that's by individual experience or the morals upheld by a society.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Of course there is. It's hedonistic morality: Each individual trying to achieve personal pleasure and satisfaction, and only caring about other people to the extent that those others can contribute to his individual pleasure. That is the morality of free trade.

There is no duty, altruism, or honour in it. There are no traditional values. There is only self-interest.

For some maybe. it depends on the social system and morality emphasized around it. Freedom doesn't have to equal Hedonism. And self interest can be shaped by morality. Whether that's by individual experience or the morals upheld by a society.

Freedom combined with capitalism pretty inevitably leads to a corporation-propagated hedonistic society.

[Constantinopolis]

Of course there is. It's hedonistic morality: Each individual trying to achieve personal pleasure and satisfaction, and only caring about other people to the extent that those others can contribute to his individual pleasure. That is the morality of free trade.

There is no duty, altruism, or honour in it. There are no traditional values. There is only self-interest.

For some maybe. it depends on the social system and morality emphasized around it. Freedom doesn't have to equal Hedonism. And self interest can be shaped by morality. Whether that's by individual experience or the morals upheld by a society.

As a Marxist, I believe that the economic base of society is the thing that largely determines its cultural and social structure. In other words, the economic system is the main factor that influences what kind of morals are upheld by the society in question. It's not the only factor, to be sure, but it is the main factor.

This is why, although I sympathize with social conservatives, I think they are going about their goals in the wrong way. If you want your society to uphold different morals than it does now, you have to change the economic system. Capitalism will always promote hedonism. If you want a society based on non-hedonistic morals, you have to act against capitalism.

[Jochistan]

For some maybe. it depends on the social system and morality emphasized around it. Freedom doesn't have to equal Hedonism. And self interest can be shaped by morality. Whether that's by individual experience or the morals upheld by a society.

Freedom combined with capitalism pretty inevitably leads to a corporation-propagated hedonistic society.

Again. Not if morality is encouraged in the society which the economic freedom is implemented in.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Freedom combined with capitalism pretty inevitably leads to a corporation-propagated hedonistic society.

Again. Not if morality is encouraged in the society which the economic freedom is implemented in.

How exactly would this righteous, restrained morality be "encouraged?"

And capitalism is not economic freedom. How can one be economically free if you must work or die, if the economy is run dictatorially, if nepotism and the like is allowed to flourish at its liberty?

[Jochistan]

Again. Not if morality is encouraged in the society which the economic freedom is implemented in.

How exactly would this righteous, restrained morality be "encouraged?"

And capitalism is not economic freedom. How can one be economically free if you must work or die, if the economy is run dictatorially, if nepotism and the like is allowed to flourish at its liberty?

And having ownership pooled in a collective is economic freedom?

The morality could be encouraged by Government emphasizing and encouraging policies in favor of family values, individual responsibility, reverence for tradition, compassion towards ones fellow person and moralism being used as a way to discourage loose and harmful behavior.

Nothing so heavy handedly enforced. Just guidelines. Harsh physical punishments should be reserved to serious breaches of contract such as fraud and abuses to workers and the poor.

Economic Liberalism isn't utter lack of humanity and altruism. No matter how many caricatures and stereotypes of "Capitalists" are raised. In fact, looking at the viewpoints of Friedman and other free market advocates, morality isnt just apparent, it's the core of the issue.

[Diopolis]

You know... I wish right-wing conspiracy theories about "Cultural Marxism" were true. You guys make us sound so badass. Like we're actually winning right now.

Unfortunately, we are in fact losing. And so are you (assuming I am speaking to social conservatives).

The ones who are winning are the libertarians and classical liberals. Since the 1980s, the world has been getting increasingly capitalist, and also increasingly liberal (culturally and socially). Maybe we should do something about that. I am personally an advocate of an alliance between socialists and cultural/social conservatives - an alliance directed against our mutual enemies.

I cannot understand how so many social conservatives support capitalism and free-market policies, which are the greatest force undermining traditional values in the present day.

It's because we allied with the libertarians in the 80's. The only thing to do is to wait until all of us realize it hasn't been working.

[Lordareon]

You know... I wish right-wing conspiracy theories about "Cultural Marxism" were true. You guys make us sound so badass. Like we're actually winning right now.

Unfortunately, we are in fact losing. And so are you (assuming I am speaking to social conservatives).

The ones who are winning are the libertarians and classical liberals. Since the 1980s, the world has been getting increasingly capitalist, and also increasingly liberal (culturally and socially). Maybe we should do something about that. I am personally an advocate of an alliance between socialists and cultural/social conservatives - an alliance directed against our mutual enemies.

I cannot understand how so many social conservatives support capitalism and free-market policies, which are the greatest force undermining traditional values in the present day.

It's because we allied with the libertarians in the 80's. The only thing to do is to wait until all of us realize it hasn't been working.

I support a more Imperial stly system like Britannia in the 1890s