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Postby Saiwania » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:37 pm

Jochistan wrote:Look on the bright side. If you let Salafis snuff out all dissidents in the Islamic community and then Europe, you'll finally have that far right Europe you wanted.


It is like you're being daft on purpose. The right and left do not mean the same thing in different countries. When I say "right wing" I obviously mean the European or American right which wants to ban Muslim immigration and go farther with tighter controls if they could manage. In any case, the European conservatives are diametrically opposed to Sharia law because it threatens the status quo in Europe. Conservatism at its heart is a steep resistance to change. The whole point is they do not want the Muslim immigrants changing European government, culture, or what have you. The far right in Europe can be said to be violently opposed to the immigrants coming in.
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Postby Pulau Singapura » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:40 pm

Jochistan wrote:Do you guys think most conservatives care about race mixing and race separatism? Do you think that's a mainstream or legitimate concern among conservatives?

As a conservative myself, I am pro-race mixing, pluralism, and multiculturalism.
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Postby Jochistan » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:42 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Look on the bright side. If you let Salafis snuff out all dissidents in the Islamic community and then Europe, you'll finally have that far right Europe you wanted.


It is like you're being daft on purpose. The right and left do not mean the same thing in different countries. When I say "right wing" I obviously mean the European or American right which wants to ban Muslim immigration and go farther with tighter controls if they could manage. In any case, the European conservatives are diametrically opposed to Sharia law because it threatens the status quo in Europe. Conservatism at its heart is a steep resistance to change. The whole point is they do not want the Muslim immigrants changing European government, culture, or what have you. The far right in Europe can be said to be violently opposed to the immigrants coming in.

And yet Salafis are extremely socially far-right in every definition of the concept. In the vast world of ideologies, that's where they fit. Very firmly.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:49 pm

Nordengrund wrote:I find that I generally side with paleoconservatives on most things except foreign policy. I am pro- Israel and I believe that we should have alliances with other nations but not be dependent on each other (as in one nation doing everything for the other or trample on sovereignty.) I also believe we have a moral responsibility to rid the world of monsters like terrorists and those who violate human rights.

However, I'm no fan of the UN and I think America should leave it and get the UN off US soil.

That is a frightening mix of militarism, moralist interventionism, and isolationism. Like, in the worst ways possible.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:53 pm

Pulau Singapura wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Do you guys think most conservatives care about race mixing and race separatism? Do you think that's a mainstream or legitimate concern among conservatives?

As a conservative myself, I am pro-race mixing, pluralism, and multiculturalism.

Then you need to quit claiming to be a fascist.
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Postby The Ben Boys » Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:36 am

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Private education easily comes to mind.

Private education is a traditional value?

With how broad the term "traditional values" are (if using "hatred", "sexism", and "homophobia") I considered it as much.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:41 am

Jochistan wrote:Do you guys think most conservatives care about race mixing and race separatism? Do you think that's a mainstream or legitimate concern among conservatives?


I think I speak for a majority of conservatives, when I say that I don't give a rat's ass about race mixing. It's not going to harm anyone.
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Postby Pulau Singapura » Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:42 am

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Do you guys think most conservatives care about race mixing and race separatism? Do you think that's a mainstream or legitimate concern among conservatives?


I think I speak for a majority of conservatives, when I say that I don't give a rat's ass about race mixing. It's not going to harm anyone.

As a conservative, I second that :) Not like physical appearance will somehow affect a nation.
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Postby Jochistan » Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:52 am

Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Do you guys think most conservatives care about race mixing and race separatism? Do you think that's a mainstream or legitimate concern among conservatives?


I think I speak for a majority of conservatives, when I say that I don't give a rat's ass about race mixing. It's not going to harm anyone.

But you still think multiculturalism is a problem when it occurs if I'm not mistaken. Doesn't seem too consistent.
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:22 am

Jochistan wrote:Do you guys think most conservatives care about race mixing and race separatism? Do you think that's a mainstream or legitimate concern among conservatives?

Here's the thing. If you mix the races, doesn't it get really hard to tell who came first?
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:24 am

Northern Freikur wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Do you guys think most conservatives care about race mixing and race separatism? Do you think that's a mainstream or legitimate concern among conservatives?


It really isn't. At least here in America it isn't...

We got (On the right side)
Ben Carson
Marco Rubio
Ted Cruz


That would imply there's a left side. Which there isn't.

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Postby Jochistan » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:26 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Northern Freikur wrote:
It really isn't. At least here in America it isn't...

We got (On the right side)
Ben Carson
Marco Rubio
Ted Cruz


That would imply there's a left side. Which there isn't.

There isnt a fully socialist side (cept for Sanders). But the Democratic party is firmly (socially) leftist.
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Postby The Ben Boys » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:26 am

Jochistan wrote:
Liberty and Linguistics wrote:
I think I speak for a majority of conservatives, when I say that I don't give a rat's ass about race mixing. It's not going to harm anyone.

But you still think multiculturalism is a problem when it occurs if I'm not mistaken. Doesn't seem too consistent.


"Don't have sex with a black man" and "speak Spanish because immigrants do" are entirely different.

Yes it is consistent. People tend to forget that it's OK not to agree with the extreme.
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Postby Zottistan » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:27 am

Jochistan wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
That would imply there's a left side. Which there isn't.

There isnt a fully socialist side (cept for Sanders). But the Democratic party is firmly (socially) leftist.

Not really. It's just left of far right.
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Postby Jochistan » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:48 am

The Ben Boys wrote:
Jochistan wrote:But you still think multiculturalism is a problem when it occurs if I'm not mistaken. Doesn't seem too consistent.


"Don't have sex with a black man" and "speak Spanish because immigrants do" are entirely different.

Yes it is consistent. People tend to forget that it's OK not to agree with the extreme.

I don't think too many people demand everyone to conform to customs of immigrants so much as tolerate their existence as long as they don't collectively try to hurt people.
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Postby Jochistan » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:49 am

Zottistan wrote:
Jochistan wrote:There isnt a fully socialist side (cept for Sanders). But the Democratic party is firmly (socially) leftist.

Not really. It's just left of far right.

Uh. Well, economically. Socially, Democrats and Republicans are usually far apart on the spectrum.
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Postby Othelos » Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:18 am

The Ben Boys wrote:
Jochistan wrote:But you still think multiculturalism is a problem when it occurs if I'm not mistaken. Doesn't seem too consistent.


"Don't have sex with a black man" and "speak Spanish because immigrants do" are entirely different.

Yes it is consistent. People tend to forget that it's OK not to agree with the extreme.

Learning spanish is a good idea because it is good for business and enables communication with spanish-speaking newcomers. I don't really see how that's an issue.

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Postby Othelos » Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:20 am

Jochistan wrote:Do you guys think most conservatives care about race mixing and race separatism? Do you think that's a mainstream or legitimate concern among conservatives?

I don't think many conservatives are in favor of apartheid/segregation.

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Postby Jochistan » Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:35 am

Othelos wrote:
Jochistan wrote:Do you guys think most conservatives care about race mixing and race separatism? Do you think that's a mainstream or legitimate concern among conservatives?

I don't think many conservatives are in favor of apartheid/segregation.

Several, several people here seem to be in favor of it. Not just here. Practically everywhere. Disagreeing with them gets you labeled a "cuck" or a "progressive" or something.
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Postby Othelos » Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:39 am

Jochistan wrote:
Othelos wrote:I don't think many conservatives are in favor of apartheid/segregation.

Several, several people here seem to be in favor of it. Not just here. Practically everywhere. Disagreeing with them gets you labeled a "cuck" or a "progressive" or something.

well, those people aren't really conservative by definition, then. Reactionaries maybe

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Respect for Family members?

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Postby Kauthar » Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:52 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Pulau Singapura wrote:As a conservative myself, I am pro-race mixing, pluralism, and multiculturalism.

Then you need to quit claiming to be a fascist.

If you aren't aware already, Fascism isn't focused on race like National Socialism. But never the less, race mixing isn't a good idea, it's betraying your race.
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Postby Kauthar » Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:54 am

Jochistan wrote:
Othelos wrote:I don't think many conservatives are in favor of apartheid/segregation.

Several, several people here seem to be in favor of it. Not just here. Practically everywhere. Disagreeing with them gets you labeled a "cuck" or a "progressive" or something.

I just got it. You met a closet homo on twitter who had AltRight and 14/88 in his bio. That or you watched a Ramzpaul or Common Filth video and read the comments
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:55 am

Kauthar wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Then you need to quit claiming to be a fascist.

If you aren't aware already, Fascism isn't focused on race like National Socialism. But never the less, race mixing isn't a good idea, it's betraying your race.


>implying race is even slightly important
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:57 am

Kauthar wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Then you need to quit claiming to be a fascist.

If you aren't aware already, Fascism isn't focused on race like National Socialism. But never the less, race mixing isn't a good idea, it's betraying your race.

That would explain why neonazis always look like they're the product of fierce inbreeding.
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