Right-Wing Discussion Thread

[Jumalariik]

I agree. The Nazis were so bad when they killed 6000 Poles in Katyn forest. The Nazis were so bad when they starved 3-7 million Ukrainians in 1932-33. The Nazis were so bad when they illegally occupied Eastern European nations for 50 years.

Oh.... wait....

And the nazis were the ones who sent Destruction Battalions to kill Baltic people.

Oh.... Wait....

I understand though. Clearly your best friend's grandparents matter more than the millions of people who dealt with Soviet occupation until 1991. They must be the most important people in the world.

Have you ever heard of Generalplan Ost? Because that's what she was talking about.

I have, it was not implemented though. Also, judging by the fact that in the Baltic states the germans did not commit atrocities but instead got good recruitment, I don't know how much proof there is that it would have happened there. It was just an on-paper policy. Not to say of course that the Germans didn't commit atrocities.

[Jumalariik]

I agree. The Nazis were so bad when they killed 6000 Poles in Katyn forest. The Nazis were so bad when they starved 3-7 million Ukrainians in 1932-33. The Nazis were so bad when they illegally occupied Eastern European nations for 50 years.
Oh.... wait....
And the nazis were the ones who sent Destruction Battalions to kill Baltic people.
Oh.... Wait....
I understand though. Clearly your best friend's grandparents matter more than the millions of people who dealt with Soviet occupation until 1991. They must be the most important people in the world.

Are you seriously saying that the influence of the Soviet Union was worse than Nazi plans for Eastern Europe? Really? You realise the Nazi plan was essentially the complete extermination of the populations not exiled during the conquest?

The Nazi plan didn't happen. The Soviet one did. I have family relatives killed by the Soviets, not the Nazis.
I mean boo hoo the Russian spirit was harmed by the Germans boo hoo, boo hoo. Some more boo hoo.
Then again, Buzzfeed-Bolshevism is in vogue, so we may as well say the Soviets were nice Ushanka-Fedora wearing teddy bears.

[Conscentia]

Are you seriously saying that the influence of the Soviet Union was worse than Nazi plans for Eastern Europe? Really? You realise the Nazi plan was essentially the complete extermination of the populations not exiled during the conquest?

The Nazi plan didn't happen. The Soviet one did. I have family relatives killed by the Soviets, not the Nazis.
I mean boo hoo the Russian spirit was harmed by the Germans boo hoo, boo hoo. Some more boo hoo.
Then again, Buzzfeed-Bolshevism is in vogue, so we may as well say the Soviets were nice Ushanka-Fedora wearing teddy bears.

Were not paying attention to the context of this discussion?

Kauthar said "We should've let Hitler win in the Eastern Front" - which would mean letting the Nazi plan happen. All you relatives would've been eventually killed or exiled, assuming they weren't of German descent.

[Urmanian]

Are you seriously saying that the influence of the Soviet Union was worse than Nazi plans for Eastern Europe? Really? You realise the Nazi plan was essentially the complete extermination of the populations not exiled during the conquest?

The Nazi plan didn't happen. The Soviet one did. I have family relatives killed by the Soviets, not the Nazis.
I mean boo hoo the Russian spirit was harmed by the Germans boo hoo, boo hoo. Some more boo hoo.
Then again, Buzzfeed-Bolshevism is in vogue, so we may as well say the Soviets were nice Ushanka-Fedora wearing teddy bears.

Nobody in this thread said Soviets were good. The original statement was "we should have let Hitler win in the Eastern Front", this is what we take offence with.

The Stalinist regime was a dark omnicidal rapeotropolis of evil. Hitler was in no way better, however. If the Allies had turned on the USSR after the war, I would cheer. But Hitler winning in the East would result in millions more exterminated, enslaved and starved to death - even if your family could have been relatively better off for it.

[Jumalariik]

The Nazi plan didn't happen. The Soviet one did. I have family relatives killed by the Soviets, not the Nazis.
I mean boo hoo the Russian spirit was harmed by the Germans boo hoo, boo hoo. Some more boo hoo.
Then again, Buzzfeed-Bolshevism is in vogue, so we may as well say the Soviets were nice Ushanka-Fedora wearing teddy bears.

Were not paying attention to the context of this discussion?

Kauthar said "We should've let Hitler win in the Eastern Front" - which would mean letting the Nazi plan happen. All you relatives would've been eventually killed or exiled, assuming they weren't of German descent.

Well, I am aware. My point is that they didn't even to start to implement the policy in Estonia. They got 30000 troops and did not do any genocide.
Stalin did far more damage to the people.

[Dinake]

Democrats aren't even left wing, they're center-right for the most part.

Socialism has a better chance of succeeding than Austrian school economics. "Rothbardean capitalist," lol.

This is hilarious!!! Democrats are pretty much full of radical leftists from Obama (Fabian socialist) to Bernie Sanders (30's style street radical).
They used to be center-right, sort of, but those days are long gone and all the Blue Dog Democrats have been run out of the party.

Both major parties in America were run by prog-cons until quite recently. The dems still are; the Republicans are turning into populists with an FN style who's who of the far right attached.

[Jumalariik]

The Nazi plan didn't happen. The Soviet one did. I have family relatives killed by the Soviets, not the Nazis.
I mean boo hoo the Russian spirit was harmed by the Germans boo hoo, boo hoo. Some more boo hoo.
Then again, Buzzfeed-Bolshevism is in vogue, so we may as well say the Soviets were nice Ushanka-Fedora wearing teddy bears.

Nobody in this thread said Soviets were good. The original statement was "we should have let Hitler win in the Eastern Front", this is what we take offence with.

The Stalinist regime was a dark omnicidal rapeotropolis of evil. Hitler was in no way better, however. If the Allies had turned on the USSR after the war, I would cheer. But Hitler winning in the East would result in millions more exterminated, enslaved and starved to death - even if your family could have been relatively better off for it.

Well, fine. I think that if we did just then go against the Soviets that would have been even better. Of course the many Buzzfeed-clicking members of liberal NSG would disagree. "Stalin was a hero."




Funny how over time this thread has become a liberal-dominated one. :/

[Dinake]

Are you seriously saying that the influence of the Soviet Union was worse than Nazi plans for Eastern Europe? Really? You realise the Nazi plan was essentially the complete extermination of the populations not exiled during the conquest?

It's probably pointless to argue with Kautharr or Jumalariik. Their logic is that they'd be find under Nazi occupation, so the whole Nazi occupation is fine.

What Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité.

You're in the right wing discussion thread. None of us care about those.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

It's probably pointless to argue with Kautharr or Jumalariik. Their logic is that they'd be find under Nazi occupation, so the whole Nazi occupation is fine.

What Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité.

You're in the right wing discussion thread. None of us care about those.

Yeah. You should.

[Old Tyrannia]

You're in the right wing discussion thread. None of us care about those.

Yeah. You should.

Why should we? Revolutionaries certainly never have. You can have liberty- so long as you obey the Committee/Party. You can have equality- but you'll never be as equal as the great leaders of the revolution. You can have fraternity- but step out of line and just watch how quickly your national "brothers" will turn on you.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Yeah. You should.

Why should we? Revolutionaries certainly never have. You can have liberty- so long as you obey the Committee/Party. You can have equality- but you'll never be as equal as the great leaders of the revolution. You can have fraternity- but step out of line and just watch how quickly your national "brothers" will turn on you.

I am not a revolutionary communist. I look at those Che Guevara types as negatively as I do the far right.

[Aelex]

You're in the right wing discussion thread. None of us care about those.

Well, given that what follow said quote (but people usually forget to mention) is "ou la mort" (litteraly "or Death"), you don't have much choice as you simply can't refuse the "freedom" we're bringing.

[Old Tyrannia]

Why should we? Revolutionaries certainly never have. You can have liberty- so long as you obey the Committee/Party. You can have equality- but you'll never be as equal as the great leaders of the revolution. You can have fraternity- but step out of line and just watch how quickly your national "brothers" will turn on you.

I am not a revolutionary communist. I look at those Che Guevara types as negatively as I do the far right.

But you're quite happy to trot out the motto of the French Revolution like some sort of sacred mantra, and arrogantly insist that we accept your values. I don't accept your values. Your values are shitty and caused thousands of deaths in revolutionary France alone.

[The Kievan People]

You do not get to heap that shit on us now that you've realized how awful they are.

Now? The last time I had any positive feelings towards big business or the wealthy, you didn't know me.

The modern left and big business both completely agree that globalism is good, globalism is great. They are natural allies. There is no particular tension between the business models of big finance and big tech and the leftist program either, more often than not there is synergy.

[Dinake]

I am not a revolutionary communist. I look at those Che Guevara types as negatively as I do the far right.

But you're quite happy to trot out the motto of the French Revolution like some sort of sacred mantra, and arrogantly insist that we accept your values. I don't accept your values. Your values are shitty and caused thousands of deaths in revolutionary France alone.

Plus another half million in that world war it kicked off.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

I am not a revolutionary communist. I look at those Che Guevara types as negatively as I do the far right.

But you're quite happy to trot out the motto of the French Revolution like some sort of sacred mantra, and arrogantly insist that we accept your values. I don't accept your values. Your values are shitty and caused thousands of deaths in revolutionary France alone.

And? The right has caused millions of deaths in Germany, Italy, across Europe. As if your values are bloodless.

[Aelex]

Plus another half million in that world war it kicked off.

One hundred and twenty years after it happened?

[Dushan]

But you're quite happy to trot out the motto of the French Revolution like some sort of sacred mantra, and arrogantly insist that we accept your values. I don't accept your values. Your values are shitty and caused thousands of deaths in revolutionary France alone.

And? The right has caused millions of deaths in Germany, Italy, across Europe. As if your values are bloodless.

I wouldn blame either the right or the left but rather Mass-Movements such as National Socialism, Bolshevism and other forms of totalitarian Ideologies.

And the Robbespierre Government that formed during French Revolution was a early prototype of the modern totalitarian State. It also bought Nationalism into Politics big time.

[Old Tyrannia]

But you're quite happy to trot out the motto of the French Revolution like some sort of sacred mantra, and arrogantly insist that we accept your values. I don't accept your values. Your values are shitty and caused thousands of deaths in revolutionary France alone.

And? The right has caused millions of deaths in Germany, Italy, across Europe. As if your values are bloodless.

My values are not the same as those of the Nazis, or the Italian Fascists. In fact, those regimes had more in common with the philosophy of the French Revolution than with traditionalist conservatism and monarchism.

[Old Tyrannia]

Plus another half million in that world war it kicked off.

One hundred and twenty years after it happened?

I think Dinake is referring to the Napoleonic Wars.

[Aelex]

But you're quite happy to trot out the motto of the French Revolution like some sort of sacred mantra, and arrogantly insist that we accept your values. I don't accept your values. Your values are shitty and caused thousands of deaths in revolutionary France alone.

Meh. French Nationalism was 'bout as much the cause of everything that happened in France as the République itself and it was definitely as right wing as one could be at the time.

[Aelex]

I think Dinake is referring to the Napoleonic Wars.

Fair enough. I have to admit that they bleeded out Europe big time with France recovering the population it had prior to the Révolution only by the start of the XXth century.

[Old Tyrannia]

But you're quite happy to trot out the motto of the French Revolution like some sort of sacred mantra, and arrogantly insist that we accept your values. I don't accept your values. Your values are shitty and caused thousands of deaths in revolutionary France alone.

Meh. French Nationalism was 'bout as much the cause of everything that happened in France as the République itself and it was definitely as right wing as one could be at the time.

I don't recall mentioning whether the French Revolution was right-wing or left-wing. I'd say it's pretty hard to consider it anything other than left-wing considering that the very phrase originated as an appellation for the French revolutionaries in the National Convention, but obviously the French Republic's ideology was rather different to the left-wing of today. It's ultimately irrelevant because I was attacking the ethos of Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité, which was certainly the motto of the Revolution regardless of whether you choose to categorise the Revolution as "left-wing" or "right-wing" in modern terms, and which RIC insisted that we should care about for some reason.

[Conscentia]

Nobody in this thread said Soviets were good. The original statement was "we should have let Hitler win in the Eastern Front", this is what we take offence with.
The Stalinist regime was a dark omnicidal rapeotropolis of evil. Hitler was in no way better, however. If the Allies had turned on the USSR after the war, I would cheer. But Hitler winning in the East would result in millions more exterminated, enslaved and starved to death - even if your family could have been relatively better off for it.

Well, fine. I think that if we did just then go against the Soviets that would have been even better. Of course the many Buzzfeed-clicking members of liberal NSG would disagree. "Stalin was a hero."
Funny how over time this thread has become a liberal-dominated one. :/

I doubt you interact much with liberals. No liberal I've spoken to would hold the position that "Stalin was a hero".
This thread isn't liberal-dominated. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal - especially when you side with total rubbish like 'It would've been better if the Nazis won the Eastern Front'.

[Jumalariik]

Well, fine. I think that if we did just then go against the Soviets that would have been even better. Of course the many Buzzfeed-clicking members of liberal NSG would disagree. "Stalin was a hero."
Funny how over time this thread has become a liberal-dominated one. :/

I doubt you interact much with liberals. No liberal I've spoken to would hold the position that "Stalin was a hero".
This thread isn't liberal-dominated. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal - especially when you side with total rubbish like 'It would've been better if the Nazis won the Eastern Front'.

I deal with liberals on a daily basis actually, not that it matters to the discussion. You would be surprised at how accepting of communists liberals are in comparison to the nazis. Communism is seen as a joke, Ushankas and Vodka. Nazism is a different kettle of fish. Look at NS itself, if you have hammers and sickles or Stalin faces that is ok, but Swastikas are not. So liberals are a but more pro-communist than one would like.