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Edmund Burke
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White Chrobatia
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Postby White Chrobatia » Fri May 13, 2016 8:01 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Dinake wrote:I don't hate the GOP(well, maybe the national establishment). I view the national GOP with some distaste, but I think the same of earthworms, and they perform an important function.


*shrugs*
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri May 13, 2016 8:04 pm

White Chrobatia wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
*shrugs*
I bleed blue, so....

Image

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The American Democratic Party's color is blue, the Republicans are red.

Not everybody on here is European, ya know.

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Fri May 13, 2016 8:05 pm

White Chrobatia wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
*shrugs*
I bleed blue, so....

Image

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Postby The East Marches » Fri May 13, 2016 8:09 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
White Chrobatia wrote:Image

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Image



Image


They are basically the same. Just look at the winning candidate for the last 16 years. Its been the same guy really.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Fri May 13, 2016 8:10 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Image



Image


They are basically the same. Just look at the winning candidate for the last 16 years. Its been the same guy really.


That pic is totes creepy tho....
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Postby The East Marches » Fri May 13, 2016 8:10 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
The East Marches wrote:

Image


They are basically the same. Just look at the winning candidate for the last 16 years. Its been the same guy really.


That pic is totes creepy tho....


Yeah I know, it almost makes you think doesn't it?
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Fri May 13, 2016 8:11 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
That pic is totes creepy tho....


Yeah I know, it almost makes you think doesn't it?


Well, I mean, I'd say Obama is pretty different from George Bush.
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Postby The East Marches » Fri May 13, 2016 8:13 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Yeah I know, it almost makes you think doesn't it?


Well, I mean, I'd say Obama is pretty different from George Bush.


I say they were basically the same.

Interventionist foreign policy, support of NSA and Patriot Act, both lied through their teeth, crony capitalism, supported by big banks, huge bank bailouts for their friends, executive orders, still fighting the same wars.

The only difference I see is Obama switched his stance on gay/trans rights. Thats about it.
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Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby The Rich Port » Fri May 13, 2016 8:16 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Well, I mean, I'd say Obama is pretty different from George Bush.


I say they were basically the same.

Interventionist foreign policy, support of NSA and Patriot Act, both lied through their teeth, crony capitalism, supported by big banks, huge bank bailouts for their friends, executive orders, still fighting the same wars.

The only difference I see is Obama switched his stance on gay/trans rights. Thats about it.


It's the triumph of the right-wing in America.

All hail our new overlords, the corporations.

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Fri May 13, 2016 8:17 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Well, I mean, I'd say Obama is pretty different from George Bush.


I say they were basically the same.

Interventionist foreign policy, support of NSA and Patriot Act, both lied through their teeth, crony capitalism, supported by big banks, huge bank bailouts for their friends, executive orders, still fighting the same wars.

The only difference I see is Obama switched his stance on gay/trans rights. Thats about it.


Well I am an interventionist, so thats OK by me. Although I do believe Obama's motives are different. He doesn't have Dick Cheney whispering in his ear to get Halliburton contracts, now does he? And Obama fought different wars. I don't think you could point to a major land intervention that started during his tenure in office and say that its "his Iraq." And LGBT rights are damn important from my perspective :P
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Postby The East Marches » Fri May 13, 2016 8:17 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
I say they were basically the same.

Interventionist foreign policy, support of NSA and Patriot Act, both lied through their teeth, crony capitalism, supported by big banks, huge bank bailouts for their friends, executive orders, still fighting the same wars.

The only difference I see is Obama switched his stance on gay/trans rights. Thats about it.


It's the triumph of the right-wing in America.

All hail our new overlords, the corporations.


I'd like off Mr.Bones wild ride now. Anybody know when this thing ends?
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby The Rich Port » Fri May 13, 2016 8:18 pm

The East Marches wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
It's the triumph of the right-wing in America.

All hail our new overlords, the corporations.


I'd like off Mr.Bones wild ride now. Anybody know when this thing ends?


It ends when Trump gets voted into office.

Which is to say, it's never going to end if you vote Trump into office.

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Postby The East Marches » Fri May 13, 2016 8:24 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
I say they were basically the same.

Interventionist foreign policy, support of NSA and Patriot Act, both lied through their teeth, crony capitalism, supported by big banks, huge bank bailouts for their friends, executive orders, still fighting the same wars.

The only difference I see is Obama switched his stance on gay/trans rights. Thats about it.


Well I am an interventionist, so thats OK by me. Although I do believe Obama's motives are different. He doesn't have Dick Cheney whispering in his ear to get Halliburton contracts, now does he? And Obama fought different wars. I don't think you could point to a major land intervention that started during his tenure in office and say that its "his Iraq." And LGBT rights are damn important from my perspective :P


He doesn't need Dick Cheney, he had Hillary shilling for her favorite military industrial complex firms. He was very similar to Bush in his offensive that got launch in Afghanistan. That was a "surge" campaign. Infact, you could argue that Obama has toppled more governments than Bush. Iraq and Afghanstan? Hell, he managed to get Egypt, Libya, Yemen and is in the process of nailing Syria. (Tunisia was one of the few "people's" risings") I mean, he even managed one of those without approval from Congress dressed up as a "limited humanitarian intervention". You know, with hellfires, to deliver aid to children. I could even point to the fact that we're back in Iraq and had to almost reinvade the place. Though, we're not doing the majority of combat ops with ground troops. Instead, we're using cannon fodder shia militias and Kurds with special forces. Totally different from a huge land intervention.

LGBT rights may be important so should your right to privacy and your right to fair trial. Both of which he promised to restore by ending the whole illegal wiretaps and search & seizure thing from Patriot act/NSA. Too bad he lied about that and expanded the programs. Meanwhile swearing up and down that he did end them to get re-elected.

Such a great guy, totally different from Bush. A real class act.
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Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby The East Marches » Fri May 13, 2016 8:25 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
I'd like off Mr.Bones wild ride now. Anybody know when this thing ends?


It ends when Trump gets voted into office.

Which is to say, it's never going to end if you vote Trump into office.


Is there a suicide booth open for use right now? Anybody know of a good one?
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby White Chrobatia » Fri May 13, 2016 8:28 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
White Chrobatia wrote:Image

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The American Democratic Party's color is blue, the Republicans are red.

Not everybody on here is European, ya know.

I'm Canadian :) But I was making a joke, I know the Dems are blue.
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White Chrobatia wrote:Are we humans?

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Postby Devon Teyson » Fri May 13, 2016 8:29 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
I say they were basically the same.

Interventionist foreign policy, support of NSA and Patriot Act, both lied through their teeth, crony capitalism, supported by big banks, huge bank bailouts for their friends, executive orders, still fighting the same wars.

The only difference I see is Obama switched his stance on gay/trans rights. Thats about it.


It's the triumph of the right-wing in America.

All hail our new overlords, the corporations.

Butlerian Jihad is more inevitable than ever, it looks like.
The East Marches wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Well I am an interventionist, so thats OK by me. Although I do believe Obama's motives are different. He doesn't have Dick Cheney whispering in his ear to get Halliburton contracts, now does he? And Obama fought different wars. I don't think you could point to a major land intervention that started during his tenure in office and say that its "his Iraq." And LGBT rights are damn important from my perspective :P


He doesn't need Dick Cheney, he had Hillary shilling for her favorite military industrial complex firms. He was very similar to Bush in his offensive that got launch in Afghanistan. That was a "surge" campaign. Infact, you could argue that Obama has toppled more governments than Bush. Iraq and Afghanstan? Hell, he managed to get Egypt, Libya, Yemen and is in the process of nailing Syria. (Tunisia was one of the few "people's" risings") I mean, he even managed one of those with approval from Congress dressed up as a "limited humanitarian intervention". You know, with hellfires, to deliver aid to children. I could even point to the fact that we're back in Iraq and had almost reinvade the place. Though, we're not doing the majority of combat ops with ground troops. Instead, we're using cannon fodder shia militias and Kurds with special forces. Totally different from a huge land intervention.

LGBT rights may be important so should your right to privacy and your right to fair trial. Both of which he promised to restore by ending the whole illegal wiretaps and search & seizure thing from Patriot act/NSA. Too bad he lied about that and expanded the programs. Meanwhile swearing up and down that he did end them to get re-elected.

Such a great guy, totally different from Bush. A real class act.

The way you portray the American path doesn't sound like a great one.
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Postby The East Marches » Fri May 13, 2016 8:34 pm

Devon Teyson wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
It's the triumph of the right-wing in America.

All hail our new overlords, the corporations.

Butlerian Jihad is more inevitable than ever, it looks like.
The East Marches wrote:
He doesn't need Dick Cheney, he had Hillary shilling for her favorite military industrial complex firms. He was very similar to Bush in his offensive that got launch in Afghanistan. That was a "surge" campaign. Infact, you could argue that Obama has toppled more governments than Bush. Iraq and Afghanstan? Hell, he managed to get Egypt, Libya, Yemen and is in the process of nailing Syria. (Tunisia was one of the few "people's" risings") I mean, he even managed one of those with approval from Congress dressed up as a "limited humanitarian intervention". You know, with hellfires, to deliver aid to children. I could even point to the fact that we're back in Iraq and had almost reinvade the place. Though, we're not doing the majority of combat ops with ground troops. Instead, we're using cannon fodder shia militias and Kurds with special forces. Totally different from a huge land intervention.

LGBT rights may be important so should your right to privacy and your right to fair trial. Both of which he promised to restore by ending the whole illegal wiretaps and search & seizure thing from Patriot act/NSA. Too bad he lied about that and expanded the programs. Meanwhile swearing up and down that he did end them to get re-elected.

Such a great guy, totally different from Bush. A real class act.

The way you portray the American path doesn't sound like a great one.


It is better than what is faced in the rest of the world. That is a small comfort in a way. The American people know what they wanted. They just got conned out of it by a well dressed articulate person. These things happen unfortunately.

I am not sure what will happen next. Hillary and Trump aren't even doing the courtesy of lying to us as for what they want. That has me worried that this is truly going to be the status quo.
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Devon Teyson » Fri May 13, 2016 8:40 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Devon Teyson wrote:Butlerian Jihad is more inevitable than ever, it looks like.

The way you portray the American path doesn't sound like a great one.


It is better than what is faced in the rest of the world. That is a small comfort in a way. The American people know what they wanted. They just got conned out of it by a well dressed articulate person. These things happen unfortunately.

I am not sure what will happen next. Hillary and Trump aren't even doing the courtesy of lying to us as for what they want. That has me worried that this is truly going to be the status quo.

I hope it's not. The implications are potentially catastrophic.
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good job sacto, keep it up

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Postby The Rich Port » Fri May 13, 2016 8:42 pm

The East Marches wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
It ends when Trump gets voted into office.

Which is to say, it's never going to end if you vote Trump into office.


Is there a suicide booth open for use right now? Anybody know of a good one?


I don't think suicide is a right-wing thing. XD

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Fri May 13, 2016 8:45 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Is there a suicide booth open for use right now? Anybody know of a good one?


I don't think suicide is a right-wing thing. XD


Yeah the right tends to be against Euthanasia.
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Postby The East Marches » Fri May 13, 2016 8:50 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Is there a suicide booth open for use right now? Anybody know of a good one?


I don't think suicide is a right-wing thing. XD


Shit, we haven't hit Futurama stage yet. :(
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Chinese Peoples » Fri May 13, 2016 9:01 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Chinese Peoples wrote:If statute makes it legal for people to be emotionally abusive, then I'll concede this point! :)


I am fairly certain it is in the U.S. , otherwise I'm sure I'd have heard more about that. There were a bunch of Feminists protesting this point on my campus once. The exceptions being the usual harassment and violent threats. Again, I'll need do more research.

:P
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Chinese Peoples wrote:Isn't that quite the purpose of the independent judiciary? Of course, even that is imperfect, which is why we demand a preponderance of evidence before a conviction in civil procedure.


Raise that to beyond a reasonable doubt, then I wouldn't sperg out so much. Preponderance of evidence stacks the deck infavor of the side with the most money.

:P
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Chinese Peoples wrote:I'm not versed in Canadian law either, but I am aware that equity plays a major part in enforcing covenants/contracts. For example, a case was heard before the Supreme Court of British Columbia, where a man, rendered paralyzed, was suing his insurer for not paying out. The company stated that the man (or his spouse, as the contract requires) did not report his injury to the insurance company within 90 days, thus disqualifying him from receiving his payout. The court ruled in law that the man had no case, but in equity that he did, and equity came before law, so the insurer was ordered to pay out. The Court of Appeal dismissed the insurer's appeal from the Supreme Court.


*Pukes over keyboard* God help us, how horrifying.

Equity is not horrifying, because in this case the wife didn't understand English and wasn't able to enforce his disabled husband's right.
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Chinese Peoples wrote:I agree, which is why we discuss this in terms of monetary awards, in terms that all of us can appreciate.


While I think this idea is not feasible or practical; for the sake of argument, how would you price emotion in a quantifiable manner? Secondly; what if the person you are dealing with is emotionally damaged? Do you assume the emotional damages liability from somebody else when they are in your area? Even more off-topic; I can see a market for emotional liability insurance if that is the case.

The amount of money needed to restore her emotion to the state as it was before.
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Chinese Peoples wrote:I'm hesitant to recognize such an enormously broad right. A right is a pretty absolute thing, and unjust results occurring thereunder could not be the subject of recovery. Which is why I support the term "freedom of the press", not "right of free press".


Again, due to previous abuses in the U.S., I can't support that. After the Snowden debacle, there are Senators who seriously considered licensing reporters. When you begin down that path, you again run into problems. right of a free press is absolute. Without it, the U.S. wouldn't have learned about many of our scandals. They'd remain shut up in the dark corners and swept under rugs. Even Nixon threw a shitfit over Watergate and that was done by a well respected news organization. We have had a our problems with yellow journalism in the past sure but I'd rather yellow journalism than white-washed.

I see no problem with the press censoring itself. Let the press form a group and decide what is permissible and not amongst themselves. If even most of the press believe that something is not newsworthy, then it's probably not.
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Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:(Image)

A helicopter could land on it! :blush:
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Postby The Kievan People » Fri May 13, 2016 9:42 pm

The Rich Port wrote:It's the triumph of the right-wing in America.

All hail our new overlords, the corporations.


>Corporations
>Right wing

Image

What is this, 1986?

Modern Corporate America is the left.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri May 13, 2016 9:56 pm

The Kievan People wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:It's the triumph of the right-wing in America.

All hail our new overlords, the corporations.


>Corporations
>Right wing

Image

What is this, 1986?

Modern Corporate America is the left.


You do not get to heap that shit on us now that you've realized how awful they are.

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