Right-Wing Discussion Thread

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Only if you fuck up as badly as Chernobyl does nuclear fission go bad.
If we solve fusion that oughta be safer, it's so hard to get that anyone who tries to fail it will vex the scientists over the reactivation rather than the PR unless idiots think "fusion causes the destruction of cities" or some fucked-up bullshit.

"fusion causes the destruction of cities" - Please don't give them ideas. This would really make me sad. We are on the brink of a revolution in nuclear power. I've heard they are making the over plant size smaller. This would really improve its ability to be built. Not one size fits all and it would certainly help its marketability to smaller states.

I am actually a fan of nuclear power so we can reduce our reliance on dirty coal.

[Devon Teyson]

Only if you fuck up as badly as Chernobyl does nuclear fission go bad.
If we solve fusion that oughta be safer, it's so hard to get that anyone who tries to fail it will vex the scientists over the reactivation rather than the PR unless idiots think "fusion causes the destruction of cities" or some fucked-up bullshit.

"fusion causes the destruction of cities" - Please don't give them ideas. This would really make me sad. We are on the brink of a revolution in nuclear power. I've heard they are making the over plant size smaller. This would really improve its ability to be built. Not one size fits all and it would certainly help its marketability to smaller states.

Oh, they are? That's cool! This is, in some fields at least, a time of breakthroughs and a smaller fusion plant could be more easily sold, I agree.

[Dinake]

Edgy.

But they are way more creative.

The punishments aren't really that detailed, but I'm pretty sure stealing was "get your hands cut off" and homosexuality was beheading.

If I remember correctly, stealing was a whipping and homosexuality was a stoning if you got caught in the act and it could be proven you knew the punishment. I doubt daesh is so charitable.

[Dinake]

38 Votes for Evola. Interesting to see that he has followers/supporters here.

Who's Evola?

One of the Crazier people to come out of the Italian peninsula.
This includes every Roman emperor, all of the renaissance men, and their recent politicians.

[Warbande]

screw the commies, right? haha

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

The punishments aren't really that detailed, but I'm pretty sure stealing was "get your hands cut off" and homosexuality was beheading.

If I remember correctly, stealing was a whipping and homosexuality was a stoning if you got caught in the act and it could be proven you knew the punishment. I doubt daesh is so charitable.

Stoning? Charitable? Does the incense your Church uses have some special formula?

[White Chrobatia]

Who's Evola?

One of the Crazier people to come out of the Italian peninsula.
This includes every Roman emperor, all of the renaissance men, and their recent politicians.

That seems a bit of a hyperbole

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

One of the Crazier people to come out of the Italian peninsula.
This includes every Roman emperor, all of the renaissance men, and their recent politicians.

That seems a bit of a hyperbole

Especially the part about Renaissance men. But then again, Dio is one of the people here who thinks we were better off in the feudalistic Middle Ages.

[The East Marches]

...that's at least three different arguments I counted in those posts.
crock's talking about stuff associated with the [shudder]Social Justice Warriors[/shudder] and you're talking about poverty/global warming?

He was trying to say liberalism isn't based in science. I was going to bring up transpeople under science but I figured best not derail the thread.... again.

It'd be nice if they actually studied history. The greater success is in lowering the cost of living for the poor, not just giving them free money. Programs to boost social mobility and the power of their dollar to go further. The most ideas regarding "science" and "statistics" I see coming out of the left is the idea that we should raise minimum wage or eat the rich. If you attempt to engage with them about economics, they won't listen.

Global warming is a problem but how do we solve it without crippling our economies? They've give us lots of evidence but no solutions. Asking other countries to control birth rates is racist and neo-colonial in nature. As is nuclear power damaging to the environment. Not all on the Right deny global warming, the problem is deciding on a solution.

I'd to point out that NSG has a relatively exceptional leftwing community in that it will 70/30 of the time listen to statistics or facts.

And? Social programs like what Johnson put into place help social mobility. It is extremely hard to cross the minefield that is the poverty line when you are busy trying to make sure you have health insurance and that your kids aren't going to starve. With programs from the government to provide these things, more of the money the poor make by working (and most of the work-capable poor are working - you see them everyday) can be put towards advancing themselves. Not to mention the shitty way the US handles higher education, resulting in rich students with shitty standardized test scores graduating from college at the same rate as poor students with excellent scores. Keep in mind this was all much worse before Johnson. Government intervention has been shown to help the poor, and unregulated free markets have been shown to hurt them. Furthermore, raising the minimum wage has been shown through history (Bush did it, the minimum wage had a purchasing power of about $12/hr under Johnson) and several studies by the Department of Labor and independent economic think tanks to not destroy the economy or hurt job numbers when it is raised gradually. Simply put, the current minimum wage of $7.50/hr is not enough - it needs to be at least $12, ideally $15/hr so that people can begin to support themselves. Currently someone working full time on minimum wage is below the poverty line if they have just one dependent. This is wrong, and handicaps the poor who often struggle to even find full time minimum wage jobs.

You are assuming too many things. Number one being that the U.S. government is competent enough or capable of providing those goods without fucking it all up. There is a reason why every dollar spent by the government gets treated as .75 cents on the dollar. It isn't because they do a good job of it or keep a balanced budget. Health care costs could be more effectively defrayed by eliminating state borders for the markets and having a federal one. Economies of scale lower costs. I agree that reforms needed to be made. However, those were not made and all we got was a shitty overpriced bandaid. Obama threw a bone to his crony capitalist backers just like Bush did with his drug negotiation bill. By the way, that money isn't free. Its generated off of taxes or deficit spending. So you are effectively flushing 25% of whatever is collected down the toilet. The poor can better helped by lowering prices and making the cost living affordable. Thats where we can effect the most change efficiently.

The question of standardized testing is a joke too. I got bonus points on my ACT because I was brown. How is that fair to the white kid who was smarter than me? If I wasn't aware of my own limitations in intelligence, I may have gone to a university that was too good for me. Many students of color fail out just because of that reason. Not because they aren't smart but because the "government" help they receive puts them in places they don't belong. Oftentimes, "affirmative" (read: racist) action like this has negative effects on those it is supposed to help. All this in pursuit of a meaningless statistic.

Right now higher education is a monopoly. They won't create/license new universities to handle demand. The supply isn't increasing fast enough and the demand is skyrocketing. No wonder tuition rates are going up. You want to help education, break the monopoly that exists. Allow for degrees from no-name universities with alternative teaching styles to count. Let the employers and people decide which one they like/need more. More government intervention is going to cause cost inflation. I had my parents make too much money to go to university at first. I didn't qualify for anything. I was unfairly punished because my parents decided to do well with their lives. We started out poor but got upper middle class through hard work. I have a brother too. He was much smarter than myself. My parents and I agreed that any monetary help from them should go to him Therefore, I was expected to work through university (which I did). How is that fair or equal? Just because my parents did well, one son may not have been able to go to school? In what world is that right?

Government intervention has been shown to hurt the poor just as much as it so called "helps". You need look no further than minimum wage eroding the need for workers to negotiate proper wages. It devastated the labor and capital relationship. We could be Denmark tier pay right now but we aren't due to foolishness decisions like that. They crippled the whole reason for workers to negotiate or organize. It was a clever ploy too. It clearly worked.

On the other hand, minimum wage is out of date. Many people working these jobs will soon be replaced by automation. Basic income is the way around that unpleasant fact. Minimum wage increases just cause inflation. Even the BBC had an excellent report on how it would either be neutral, or slightly harm the economy, and I consider them left-leaning. (even though I listen to them)

[Dinake]

That seems a bit of a hyperbole

Especially the part about Renaissance men. But then again, Dio is one of the people here who thinks we were better off in the feudalistic Middle Ages.

We were.

[White Chrobatia]

That seems a bit of a hyperbole

Especially the part about Renaissance men. But then again, Dio is one of the people here who thinks we were better off in the feudalistic Middle Ages.

hey well
the medieval ages had knights

they're cool yeah?

[The Grey Wolf]

38 Votes for Evola. Interesting to see that he has followers/supporters here.

Why do people dislike Evola?

Well for me it was because he was a pretentious asshole with a fragile ego who insulted a lot of better philosophers.

A quick read makes me realize how... Trendy he was and is.

The definitive philosopher for those that don't want to be called Fascist, but still want to be right-wing.

He sounds like a monarchist, what with his advocacy of the aristocracy, which, granted, Hitler and Mussolini opposed, but only those that weren't themselves Fascists and loyal to the state.

He was a dedicated monarchist, and around the time of the Lateran Pacts, wrote in (sane) right-wing journals reminding monarchists that the Vatican still saw the King as an usurper.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Especially the part about Renaissance men. But then again, Dio is one of the people here who thinks we were better off in the feudalistic Middle Ages.

We were.

And this is where you immediately lose all credibility.

[White Chrobatia]

We were.

And this is where you immediately lose all credibility.

can we all just have our own opinions

[The Grey Wolf]

Especially the part about Renaissance men. But then again, Dio is one of the people here who thinks we were better off in the feudalistic Middle Ages.

We were.

The serfs disagree, as do all the angry people who beheaded monarchs.

The feudal system was an oppressive corrupt system where kings and priests grew fat, while the peasants and others grew hungry.

[Dinake]

We were.

And this is where you immediately lose all credibility.

You still thought I had credibility? I mean, it's not like it's the first time we've disagreed.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

And this is where you immediately lose all credibility.

can we all just have our own opinions

Yes, we can. And mine is that Dio's opinions are ludicrous, baseless, and ass-backwards.

[Devon Teyson]

He was trying to say liberalism isn't based in science. I was going to bring up transpeople under science but I figured best not derail the thread.... again.



And? Social programs like what Johnson put into place help social mobility. It is extremely hard to cross the minefield that is the poverty line when you are busy trying to make sure you have health insurance and that your kids aren't going to starve. With programs from the government to provide these things, more of the money the poor make by working (and most of the work-capable poor are working - you see them everyday) can be put towards advancing themselves. Not to mention the shitty way the US handles higher education, resulting in rich students with shitty standardized test scores graduating from college at the same rate as poor students with excellent scores. Keep in mind this was all much worse before Johnson. Government intervention has been shown to help the poor, and unregulated free markets have been shown to hurt them. Furthermore, raising the minimum wage has been shown through history (Bush did it, the minimum wage had a purchasing power of about $12/hr under Johnson) and several studies by the Department of Labor and independent economic think tanks to not destroy the economy or hurt job numbers when it is raised gradually. Simply put, the current minimum wage of $7.50/hr is not enough - it needs to be at least $12, ideally $15/hr so that people can begin to support themselves. Currently someone working full time on minimum wage is below the poverty line if they have just one dependent. This is wrong, and handicaps the poor who often struggle to even find full time minimum wage jobs.

You are assuming too many things. Number one being that the U.S. government is competent enough or capable of providing those goods without fucking it all up. There is a reason why every dollar spent by the government gets treated as .75 cents on the dollar. It isn't because they do a good job of it or keep a balanced budget. Health care costs could be more effectively defrayed by eliminating state borders for the markets and having a federal one. Economies of scale lower costs. I agree that reforms needed to be made. However, those were not made and all we got was a shitty overpriced bandaid. Obama threw a bone to his crony capitalist backers just like Bush did with his drug negotiation bill. By the way, that money isn't free. Its generated off of taxes or deficit spending. So you are effectively flushing 25% of whatever is collected down the toilet. The poor can better helped by lowering prices and making the cost living affordable. Thats where we can effect the most change efficiently.

The question of standardized testing is a joke too. I got bonus points on my ACT because I was brown. How is that fair to the white kid who was smarter than me? If I wasn't aware of my own limitations in intelligence, I may have gone to a university that was too good for me. Many students of color fail out just because of that reason. Not because they aren't smart but because the "government" help they receive puts them in places they don't belong.

Right now higher education is a monopoly. They won't create/license new universities to handle demand. The supply isn't increasing fast enough and the demand is skyrocketing. No wonder tutition rates are going up. You want to help education, break the monopoly that exists. Allow for degrees from no-name universities with alternative teaching styles to count. Let the employers and people decide which one they like/need more. More government intervention is going to cause cost inflation. I had my parents make too much money to go to university at first. I didn't qualify for anything. I was unfairly punished because my parents decided to do well with their lives. We started out poor but got upper middle class through hard work. Therefore, I was expected to work through university (which I did). How is that fair or equal?

Government intervention has been shown to hurt the poor just as much as it so called "helps". You need look no further than minimum wage eroding the need for workers to negotiate proper wages. It devastated the labor and capital relationship. We could be Denmark tier pay right now but we aren't due to foolishness decisions like that. They crippled the whole reason for workers to negotiate or organize. It was a clever ploy too. It clearly worked.

On the other hand, minimum wage is out of date. Many people working these jobs will soon be replaced by automation. Basic income is the way around that unpleasant fact. Minimum wage increases just cause inflation. Even the BBC had an excellent report on how it would either be neutral, or slightly harm the economy, and I consider them left-leaning. (even though I listen to them)

The ACT gives points to people because...they're not white?

Don't tell me my score of 33 is illegitimate now. I thought I muddled through it on my limited skills and luck and managed to get a score three below the highest possible. Not that someone legged me up because I'm "disadvantaged".

Especially the part about Renaissance men. But then again, Dio is one of the people here who thinks we were better off in the feudalistic Middle Ages.

We were.

...I'm just gonna stick with what I have now...

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

And this is where you immediately lose all credibility.

You still thought I had credibility? I mean, it's not like it's the first time we've disagreed.

Well, I mean, the joke about Reince Priebus made me laugh. Then I remembered our reasons for hating the GOP are wholly different.

[Devon Teyson]

Especially the part about Renaissance men. But then again, Dio is one of the people here who thinks we were better off in the feudalistic Middle Ages.

hey well
the medieval ages had knights

they're cool yeah?

The future will have warships with railguns and lasers.
that's cooler imo.

[White Chrobatia]

hey well
the medieval ages had knights

they're cool yeah?

The future will have warships with railguns and lasers.
that's cooler imo.

I dunno

bows and arrows

chain mail

misogyny

it was great

[Dinake]

You still thought I had credibility? I mean, it's not like it's the first time we've disagreed.

Well, I mean, the joke about Reince Priebus made me laugh. Then I remembered our reasons for hating the GOP are wholly different.

I don't hate the GOP(well, maybe the national establishment). I view the national GOP with some distaste, but I think the same of earthworms, and they perform an important function.

[The East Marches]

The ACT gives points to people because...they're not white?
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Don't tell me my score of 33 is illegitimate now. I thought I muddled through it on my limited skills and luck and managed to get a score three below the highest possible. Not that someone legged me up because I'm "disadvantaged".

I should have phrased that better, when you apply to university and are a ethnic minority, you get a score boost or they lower the bar for you in admissions. Either way, you get an artificial advantage that a white person would not have gotten. Its wrong and perverse.

Great score by the way, good work. I only got a 30 and I thought I had failed it for sure.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Well, I mean, the joke about Reince Priebus made me laugh. Then I remembered our reasons for hating the GOP are wholly different.

I don't hate the GOP(well, maybe the national establishment). I view the national GOP with some distaste, but I think the same of earthworms, and they perform an important function.

*shrugs*
I bleed blue, so....

[Devon Teyson]

The ACT gives points to people because...they're not white?
(Image)
Don't tell me my score of 33 is illegitimate now. I thought I muddled through it on my limited skills and luck and managed to get a score three below the highest possible. Not that someone legged me up because I'm "disadvantaged".

I should have phrased that better, when you apply to university and are a ethnic minority, you get a score boost or they lower the bar for you in admissions. Either way, you get an artificial advantage that a white person would not have gotten. Its wrong and perverse.

Great score by the way, good work. I only got a 30 and I thought I had failed it for sure.

i agree. People should be able to succeed or fail on their own merits- no boosters allowed.
Thanks for the compliment, and good work on your score too.