Right-Wing Discussion Thread

[White Chrobatia]

My local politics are probably worse. Living on a university campus means that at least one side of the argument never gets a voice.

... Unless you're about to start a chapter of the NSDAP, you'll do fine there.

You could also ask your local libertarian party for work, or start one yourself. You can get funding from your college to start a club concerning an area of research and study.

For example... The College Libertarians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Libertarians

Lol, I tried to vote for the libertarian party in the last federal election and it turns out they don't even get on the ballot because they're non-existent where I'm from. Of course, if I go a few ridings over, libertarian signs all over the place, but then you're in farm country, and it's illegal.

Also I'm not American, but if there's something in my university I'll look to see.

[White Chrobatia]

Oh yeah my university actually has something. Apparently there's a Students for Liberty chapter, but I've never heard of them on campus

[The Liberated Territories]

My local politics are probably worse. Living on a university campus means that at least one side of the argument never gets a voice.

... Unless you're about to start a chapter of the NSDAP, you'll do fine there.

You could also ask your local libertarian party for work, or start one yourself. You can get funding from your college to start a club concerning an area of research and study.

For example... The College Libertarians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Libertarians

YAL/SLS are much more popular and bigger.

[Liberaxia]

... Unless you're about to start a chapter of the NSDAP, you'll do fine there.

You could also ask your local libertarian party for work, or start one yourself. You can get funding from your college to start a club concerning an area of research and study.

For example... The College Libertarians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Libertarians

YAL/SLS are much more popular and bigger.

YAL is a joke. All they post on their Twitter feed are memes.

[The Rich Port]

... Unless you're about to start a chapter of the NSDAP, you'll do fine there.

You could also ask your local libertarian party for work, or start one yourself. You can get funding from your college to start a club concerning an area of research and study.

For example... The College Libertarians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Libertarians

Lol, I tried to vote for the libertarian party in the last federal election and it turns out they don't even get on the ballot because they're non-existent where I'm from. Of course, if I go a few ridings over, libertarian signs all over the place, but then you're in farm country, and it's illegal.

Also I'm not American, but if there's something in my university I'll look to see.

Well, it's not really the Libertarian's fault there's not many of them about.

[The Liberated Territories]

YAL/SLS are much more popular and bigger.

YAL is a joke. All they post on their Twitter feed are memes.

That must say something about the opposition then.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

YAL is a joke. All they post on their Twitter feed are memes.

That must say something about the opposition then.

No actually it only reflects on yourselves. Us liberals tend to use things like science, statistics, and history to make our points.

[The East Marches]

That must say something about the opposition then.

No actually it only reflects on yourselves. Us liberals tend to use things like science, statistics, and history to make our points.

Really? All I heard was incoherent screaming about "muh racism" and "internalized white privilege", when I tried to talk them in public. You and I must know different liberals.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

No actually it only reflects on yourselves. Us liberals tend to use things like science, statistics, and history to make our points.

Really? All I heard was incoherent screaming about "muh racism" and "internalized white privilege", when I tried to talk them in public. You and I must know different liberals.

Racism is a problem that is alive and well in this country. And I can speak to the rampant homo and transphobia that pervades this culture.

[The Liberated Territories]

That must say something about the opposition then.

No actually it only reflects on yourselves. Us liberals tend to use things like science, statistics, and history to make our points.

Yes, I know the Borg has collective intelligence that it generates from its groupthink, but that's not what I am talking about.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

No actually it only reflects on yourselves. Us liberals tend to use things like science, statistics, and history to make our points.

Yes, I know the Borg has collective intelligence that it generates from its groupthink, but that's not what I am talking about.

Borg? Groupthink? HES ON TO US!

[Zoice]

No actually it only reflects on yourselves. Us liberals tend to use things like science, statistics, and history to make our points.

Really? All I heard was incoherent screaming about "muh racism" and "internalized white privilege", when I tried to talk them in public. You and I must know different liberals.

Average people are bad communicators, especially on social media. The basis for the ideas are science and history and statistics, even if the way that the person is trying to express them is by calling you Hitler when you accidentally misgender someone.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Really? All I heard was incoherent screaming about "muh racism" and "internalized white privilege", when I tried to talk them in public. You and I must know different liberals.

Average people are bad communicators, especially on social media. The basis for the ideas are science and history and statistics, even if the way that the person is trying to express them is by calling you Hitler when you accidentally misgender someone.

Accidentally is fine. When people make a policy of it though, they can go fuck themselves

[The East Marches]

Really? All I heard was incoherent screaming about "muh racism" and "internalized white privilege", when I tried to talk them in public. You and I must know different liberals.

Racism is a problem that is alive and well in this country. And I can speak to the rampant homo and transphobia that pervades this culture.

I was informing them I thought their ideas of the "progressive stack" was infact itself, racist. I am a brown person and I do perfectly fine. However, that is attributable to money. I am of the opinion that they dress up class issues as race. Thereby diluting the reasoning why anybody should care. Identity politics is why we are facing a Trump. You guys thought white people would just sit down and not form their own? I'm not surprised after what I witnessed. It was disgusting.

As to homophobia and transphobia. You need better PR. NSG has explained some the vary positions your community holds. However, seeing people parade with giant purple dildos (as they did at my campus), does not help your public image of seeking to be accepted. If I were the LGBT community, I'd hire as many PR firms as I could to run ads and do campaigns. I think they'd understand more about psychology than the current organizers.

[Margandy]

So, I'll start off by answering the poll. I'm a libertarian, nationalist and capitalist. I believe it's necessary to have a strong and modern military, and I would give my life for my country and race. I'm also a devout Catholic, and believe the church should play a role in politics.

So where does libertarian play into all that?

If the world were all libertarian, there would still be a difference of night and day. same goes with any political or religious ideology. what I look to, is a tolerance of closer ideas and peacefully work out the kinks. some middle ground. but extreme opposite ideas must be dealt with in there own methods. that is all they understand. it may be cruel, but it may preserve the culture.

[The East Marches]

Really? All I heard was incoherent screaming about "muh racism" and "internalized white privilege", when I tried to talk them in public. You and I must know different liberals.

Average people are bad communicators, especially on social media. The basis for the ideas are science and history and statistics, even if the way that the person is trying to express them is by calling you Hitler when you accidentally misgender someone.

While I may disagree with you on the basis of the ideas, as I believe they come from a different source, I do agree with communications ability. I was referring to whenever I try to talk to a person IRL at a meeting. I even went a date with a girl who unironically told me that all white people were evil and that the world would be better off without them. This was coming from a supposedly educated graduate student. I understand she was an outlier and I have horrible taste in women but thats not the only experience of that I've seen. There are levels of hypocrisy, vitriol and racism that easily match the Right.

I believe much of the left would better off, as I mentioned in my previous post, if they hired professionals to spread their message. Not "Shanley" on Twitter or angry college students. Then your grievances and solutions may be taken seriously.

[Devon Teyson]

Racism is a problem that is alive and well in this country. And I can speak to the rampant homo and transphobia that pervades this culture.

I was informing them I thought their ideas of the "progressive stack" was infact itself, racist. I am a brown person and I do perfectly fine. However, that is attributable to money. I am of the opinion that they dress up class issues as race. Thereby diluting the reasoning why anybody should care. Identity politics is why we are facing a Trump. You guys thought white people would just sit down and not form their own? I'm not surprised after what I witnessed. It was disgusting.

As to homophobia and transphobia. You need better PR. NSG has explained some the vary positions your community holds. However, seeing people parade with giant purple dildos (as they did at my campus), does not help your public image of seeking to be accepted. If I were the LGBT community, I'd hire as many PR firms as I could to run ads and do campaigns. I think they'd understand more about psychology than the current organizers.

We could all do well with better advertising.

Average people are bad communicators, especially on social media. The basis for the ideas are science and history and statistics, even if the way that the person is trying to express them is by calling you Hitler when you accidentally misgender someone.

While I may disagree with you on the basis of the ideas, as I believe they come from a different source, I do agree with communications ability. I was referring to whenever I try to talk to a person IRL at a meeting. I even went a date with a girl who unironically told me that all white people were evil and that the world would be better off without them. This was coming from a supposedly educated graduate student. I understand she was an outlier and I have horrible taste in women but thats not the only experience of that I've seen. There are levels of hypocrisy, vitriol and racism that easily match the Right.

I believe much of the left would better off, as I mentioned in my previous post, if they hired professionals to spread their message. Not "Shanley" on Twitter or angry college students. Then your grievances and solutions may be taken seriously.

Outlier indeed.
I recently saw videos where a woman accused a mailman of stalking her, and another claimed a cop was not able to ask her to get out of her car under the articles of confederation, and called any attempt to remove her rape...but that's way off the topic.

[Crockerland]

Really? All I heard was incoherent screaming about "muh racism" and "internalized white privilege", when I tried to talk them in public. You and I must know different liberals.

Average people are bad communicators, especially on social media. The basis for the ideas are science and history and statistics

Science = gender studies degree
History = parts of history that support the regressive left agenda (things such as black slave traders are conveniently left out)
Statistics = A few surveys of 60 kids on a college campus
That's what the loudest Liberals in the US seem to base their arguments off, at least.

[White Chrobatia]

No actually it only reflects on yourselves. Us liberals tend to use things like science, statistics, and history to make our points.

Really? All I heard was incoherent screaming about "muh racism" and "internalized white privilege", when I tried to talk them in public. You and I must know different liberals.

lmao

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Average people are bad communicators, especially on social media. The basis for the ideas are science and history and statistics

Science = gender studies degree
History = parts of history that support the regressive left agenda (things such as black slave traders are conveniently left out)
Statistics = A few surveys of 60 kids on a college campus
That's what the loudest Liberals in the US seem to base their arguments off, at least.

Science = Scientific consensus on Anthropomorphic Climate Change.

History = Poverty Rates were higher before Johnson's great society, and fell after his programs were instituted.

Statistics = See above poverty rates.

[The East Marches]

Science = gender studies degree
History = parts of history that support the regressive left agenda (things such as black slave traders are conveniently left out)
Statistics = A few surveys of 60 kids on a college campus
That's what the loudest Liberals in the US seem to base their arguments off, at least.

Science = Scientific consensus on Anthropomorphic Climate Change.

History = Poverty Rates were higher before Johnson's great society, and fell after his programs were instituted.

Statistics = See above poverty rates.

It'd be nice if they actually studied history. The greater success is in lowering the cost of living for the poor, not just giving them free money. Programs to boost social mobility and the power of their dollar to go further. The most ideas regarding "science" and "statistics" I see coming out of the left is the idea that we should raise minimum wage or eat the rich. If you attempt to engage with them about economics, they won't listen.

Global warming is a problem but how do we solve it without crippling our economies? They've give us lots of evidence but no solutions. Asking other countries to control birth rates is racist and neo-colonial in nature. As is nuclear power damaging to the environment. Not all on the Right deny global warming, the problem is deciding on a solution.

I'd to point out that NSG has a relatively exceptional leftwing community in that it will 70/30 of the time listen to statistics or facts.

[Devon Teyson]

Science = gender studies degree
History = parts of history that support the regressive left agenda (things such as black slave traders are conveniently left out)
Statistics = A few surveys of 60 kids on a college campus
That's what the loudest Liberals in the US seem to base their arguments off, at least.

Science = Scientific consensus on Anthropomorphic Climate Change.

History = Poverty Rates were higher before Johnson's great society, and fell after his programs were instituted.

Statistics = See above poverty rates.

...that's at least three different arguments I counted in those posts.
crock's talking about stuff associated with the [shudder]Social Justice Warriors[/shudder] and you're talking about poverty/global warming?

[Devon Teyson]

Science = Scientific consensus on Anthropomorphic Climate Change.

History = Poverty Rates were higher before Johnson's great society, and fell after his programs were instituted.

Statistics = See above poverty rates.

It'd be nice if they actually studied history. The greater success is in lowering the cost of living for the poor, not just giving them free money. Programs to boost social mobility and the power of their dollar to go further. The most ideas regarding "science" and "statistics" I see coming out of the left is the idea that we should raise minimum wage or eat the rich. If you attempt to engage with them about economics, they won't listen.

Global warming is a problem but how do we solve it without crippling our economies? They've give us lots of evidence but no solutions. Asking other countries to control birth rates is racist and neo-colonial in nature. As is nuclear power damaging to the environment. Not all on the Right deny global warming, the problem is deciding on a solution.

I'd to point out that NSG has a relatively exceptional leftwing community in that it will 70/30 of the time listen to statistics or facts.

Only if you fuck up as badly as Chernobyl does nuclear fission go bad.
If we solve fusion that oughta be safer, it's so hard to get that anyone who tries to fail it will vex the scientists over the reactivation rather than the PR unless idiots think "fusion causes the destruction of cities" or some fucked-up bullshit.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Science = Scientific consensus on Anthropomorphic Climate Change.

History = Poverty Rates were higher before Johnson's great society, and fell after his programs were instituted.

Statistics = See above poverty rates.

...that's at least three different arguments I counted in those posts.
crock's talking about stuff associated with the [shudder]Social Justice Warriors[/shudder] and you're talking about poverty/global warming?

He was trying to say liberalism isn't based in science. I was going to bring up transpeople under science but I figured best not derail the thread.... again.

Science = Scientific consensus on Anthropomorphic Climate Change.

History = Poverty Rates were higher before Johnson's great society, and fell after his programs were instituted.

Statistics = See above poverty rates.

It'd be nice if they actually studied history. The greater success is in lowering the cost of living for the poor, not just giving them free money. Programs to boost social mobility and the power of their dollar to go further. The most ideas regarding "science" and "statistics" I see coming out of the left is the idea that we should raise minimum wage or eat the rich. If you attempt to engage with them about economics, they won't listen.

Global warming is a problem but how do we solve it without crippling our economies? They've give us lots of evidence but no solutions. Asking other countries to control birth rates is racist and neo-colonial in nature. As is nuclear power damaging to the environment. Not all on the Right deny global warming, the problem is deciding on a solution.

I'd to point out that NSG has a relatively exceptional leftwing community in that it will 70/30 of the time listen to statistics or facts.

And? Social programs like what Johnson put into place help social mobility. It is extremely hard to cross the minefield that is the poverty line when you are busy trying to make sure you have health insurance and that your kids aren't going to starve. With programs from the government to provide these things, more of the money the poor make by working (and most of the work-capable poor are working - you see them everyday) can be put towards advancing themselves. Not to mention the shitty way the US handles higher education, resulting in rich students with shitty standardized test scores graduating from college at the same rate as poor students with excellent scores. Keep in mind this was all much worse before Johnson. Government intervention has been shown to help the poor, and unregulated free markets have been shown to hurt them. Furthermore, raising the minimum wage has been shown through history (Bush did it, the minimum wage had a purchasing power of about $12/hr under Johnson) and several studies by the Department of Labor and independent economic think tanks to not destroy the economy or hurt job numbers when it is raised gradually. Simply put, the current minimum wage of $7.50/hr is not enough - it needs to be at least $12, ideally $15/hr so that people can begin to support themselves. Currently someone working full time on minimum wage is below the poverty line if they have just one dependent. This is wrong, and handicaps the poor who often struggle to even find full time minimum wage jobs.

[The East Marches]

It'd be nice if they actually studied history. The greater success is in lowering the cost of living for the poor, not just giving them free money. Programs to boost social mobility and the power of their dollar to go further. The most ideas regarding "science" and "statistics" I see coming out of the left is the idea that we should raise minimum wage or eat the rich. If you attempt to engage with them about economics, they won't listen.

Global warming is a problem but how do we solve it without crippling our economies? They've give us lots of evidence but no solutions. Asking other countries to control birth rates is racist and neo-colonial in nature. As is nuclear power damaging to the environment. Not all on the Right deny global warming, the problem is deciding on a solution.

I'd to point out that NSG has a relatively exceptional leftwing community in that it will 70/30 of the time listen to statistics or facts.

Only if you fuck up as badly as Chernobyl does nuclear fission go bad.
If we solve fusion that oughta be safer, it's so hard to get that anyone who tries to fail it will vex the scientists over the reactivation rather than the PR unless idiots think "fusion causes the destruction of cities" or some fucked-up bullshit.

"fusion causes the destruction of cities" - Please don't give them ideas. This would really make me sad. We are on the brink of a revolution in nuclear power. I've heard they are making the over plant size smaller. This would really improve its ability to be built. Not one size fits all and it would certainly help its marketability to smaller states.